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Commander Disarray
Posted - 2011.07.29 22:25:00 - [211]
 

Any estimate on when you'll have the profit per item feature rolled out in this app? (sorry, hate to be a pest about it)

Several poasts ago I had mentioned that the best way to find that out right now using your app was to just look at a period and take your sells and subtract out buys. Then figure out tax and brokers fees from the journal.

The flaw in this is that during that period, you might have sold 300 units of an item, but only bought 290 units of that same item, thus throwing off your calculations giving you a bloated net profit. I think to correct this, you should only take 290 sell orders and 290 buy orders (of the same item, obviously) and calculate the difference that way. That brought my net profits down to a moar realistic number. Don't think it'll still give you accurate numbers though. Just an idea. Plus this might be tedious for traders that trade 100+ different items at a time. Works for me for now as I only deal with five or six things.

I started missioning again and the app is great for quickly summing up Agent rewards and bonuses for a period of time, plus bounties.

Thart
U.K.R.A.I.N.E
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2011.07.30 11:54:00 - [212]
 

Originally by: Commander Disarray
Any estimate on when you'll have the profit per item feature rolled out in this app? (sorry, hate to be a pest about it)

I've started new thread in EVE Mentat google group to discuss profit calculation. Send your request to join the group, I'll accept soon.

Thart
U.K.R.A.I.N.E
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2011.07.31 16:02:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: Karr Matt

According to Mentat (1.1.21.679) my last transaction was 7d1h ago. Considering I run through several thousand orders a day, I find that hard to believe. Everytime I run the API query (every 45 minutes or so) it downloads 2560 orders and catches up a few hours. Then when I log out for the night, all of that time spent not updating puts my range back even further.

I've made test build with possible fix and have sent link to you in game. Please test it an send me feedback.

Karr Matt
Posted - 2011.08.03 02:19:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: Thart
Originally by: Karr Matt

According to Mentat (1.1.21.679) my last transaction was 7d1h ago. Considering I run through several thousand orders a day, I find that hard to believe. Everytime I run the API query (every 45 minutes or so) it downloads 2560 orders and catches up a few hours. Then when I log out for the night, all of that time spent not updating puts my range back even further.

I've made test build with possible fix and have sent link to you in game. Please test it an send me feedback.


Thanks -- replied in game.

Dirk Decibel
Posted - 2011.08.08 16:59:00 - [215]
 

Well, this program certainly makes updating my market orders a whole lot faster. But tbh, that's about all I use it for. What I would love is a NAV guestimate option.

Thart
U.K.R.A.I.N.E
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2011.08.09 05:50:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Dirk Decibel
Well, this program certainly makes updating my market orders a whole lot faster. But tbh, that's about all I use it for. What I would love is a NAV guestimate option.

What do you mean? Net asset value? Please tell a bit more about this feature request.

Alaothiel
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:21:00 - [217]
 

I am really enjoying the program so far. The only things that are missing are the following:

1) Check value of items in hanger (either through buy transactions or current market value)

2) Profit per item
a) profit each time a unit of that item is bought then sold
b) profit from that item per day/week/month

Also, the total ISK in escrow (with margin trading) doesn't match the amount calculated by eve. I think your program just takes 23.5% (assuming margin trading V) of the total in buy orders. However, once orders get partially filled, your actual amount of ISK in escrow can go down to something like 10+%. I think this has to do with how the player with margin trading V is charged as orders are gradually filled.

Thart
U.K.R.A.I.N.E
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2011.08.10 05:23:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Alaothiel
I am really enjoying the program so far. The only things that are missing are the following:

1) Check value of items in hanger (either through buy transactions or current market value)

2) Profit per item
a) profit each time a unit of that item is bought then sold
b) profit from that item per day/week/month


Planned.
Originally by: Alaothiel

Also, the total ISK in escrow (with margin trading) doesn't match the amount calculated by eve. I think your program just takes 23.5% (assuming margin trading V) of the total in buy orders. However, once orders get partially filled, your actual amount of ISK in escrow can go down to something like 10+%. I think this has to do with how the player with margin trading V is charged as orders are gradually filled.

EVE Mentat calculates influence of margin trading skill correctly, but applies the same level of skill to all buy orders. So there can be the difference when you training marging trading skill and different parts of orders were set up with different skill level.

Alaothiel
Posted - 2011.08.10 06:25:00 - [219]
 

No, I had margin trading V for a year. All data that mentat is using is within the last week.

EVE:
Orders Remaining: 47 out of 109 max open orders
Total in Escrow: 250,370,612.11 ISK (additional 1,390,077,958.21 ISK to cover)
Base Broker Fee: 0.75% of order value
Transaction Tax: 0.5% of sales value
Sell Orders Total: 214,545,033.88 ISK
Buy Orders Total: 1,640,448,570.32 ISK

Mentat:

sell orders: 214,545,034
buy orders: 389,278,445

Thart
U.K.R.A.I.N.E
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2011.08.10 06:49:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: Alaothiel
No, I had margin trading V for a year. All data that mentat is using is within the last week.

EVE:
Orders Remaining: 47 out of 109 max open orders
Total in Escrow: 250,370,612.11 ISK (additional 1,390,077,958.21 ISK to cover)
Base Broker Fee: 0.75% of order value
Transaction Tax: 0.5% of sales value
Sell Orders Total: 214,545,033.88 ISK
Buy Orders Total: 1,640,448,570.32 ISK

Mentat:

sell orders: 214,545,034
buy orders: 389,278,445


Seems like you are right.
Thanks for reporting this, I've added task to fix the issue.

Thart
U.K.R.A.I.N.E
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2011.08.10 16:26:00 - [221]
 

EVE Mentat 1.1.22 Release


  • Direct cache path support added to market cache reader

  • Transactions API request fixed

  • Windows 7 taskbar progress support added


Full list of changes is available here.

See download link in the first post.

Database from previous version can be imported by selecting appropriate option at the first launch.

Thart
U.K.R.A.I.N.E
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2011.08.10 16:49:00 - [222]
 

First post updated.

Dirk Decibel
Posted - 2011.08.10 18:15:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Thart
Originally by: Dirk Decibel
Well, this program certainly makes updating my market orders a whole lot faster. But tbh, that's about all I use it for. What I would love is a NAV guestimate option.

What do you mean? Net asset value? Please tell a bit more about this feature request.


Yes, net asset value. EMMA, a program I still use but which doesn't receive updates anymore so it will prolly 'break' pretty soon, does this quite well for instance. Takes the value of your orders, wallet', contracts AND a guestimated value on the rest of your assets like ships, implants, modules etc.

The hardest part would be to make a decent guestimate for stuff like faction modules, researched BPO/BPC's and stuff like that I guess.

Thart
U.K.R.A.I.N.E
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2011.08.10 20:22:00 - [224]
 

Originally by: Dirk Decibel

Yes, net asset value. EMMA, a program I still use but which doesn't receive updates anymore so it will prolly 'break' pretty soon, does this quite well for instance. Takes the value of your orders, wallet', contracts AND a guestimated value on the rest of your assets like ships, implants, modules etc.

The hardest part would be to make a decent guestimate for stuff like faction modules, researched BPO/BPC's and stuff like that I guess.

Nice idea in general, but requires implementation of asset manager in EVE Mentat. Added into database.

Dirk Decibel
Posted - 2011.08.14 15:05:00 - [225]
 

Also, compliments on how EVE-mentat looks. Using it, I get the feeling I'm working with pro-software, not someones personal hobby project who is good at programming but bad at designing a decent user interface.

I hope this tool will be around and updated for a long time. Smile

MR Crowe
Posted - 2011.08.14 18:34:00 - [226]
 

Originally by: Dirk Decibel
Also, compliments on how EVE-mentat looks. Using it, I get the feeling I'm working with pro-software, not someones personal hobby project who is good at programming but bad at designing a decent user interface.

I hope this tool will be around and updated for a long time. Smile


Yeah, it looks great. I can't wait for the planned features to come out (profit/asset manager). Crying or Very sad


Xentarus Maximus
Posted - 2011.08.16 01:59:00 - [227]
 

Hi,

i found this Tool today in Google and i view the Videos on YouTube.

First. The Program is very, very, verrrryyyy :) NICE.
Special Thanks for this great Job, Thart!

All works fine, but one Thing don't work on my PC.

Here the Message. I watching the Video and follow step by step the same workflow, but i don't find the Error.
[error] Updating player orders (files)...
[info] Launch EVE Online and export your orders at Wallet/Orders window.
[error] There are no order files for this character!

TXT Saved on => C:\Users\Xentarus\Documents\EVE\logs\Marketlogs

My EVE Folder => C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE


Thart
U.K.R.A.I.N.E
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2011.08.16 07:20:00 - [228]
 

Originally by: Xentarus Maximus
Hi,

i found this Tool today in Google and i view the Videos on YouTube.

First. The Program is very, very, verrrryyyy :) NICE.
Special Thanks for this great Job, Thart!

All works fine, but one Thing don't work on my PC.

Here the Message. I watching the Video and follow step by step the same workflow, but i don't find the Error.
[error] Updating player orders (files)...
[info] Launch EVE Online and export your orders at Wallet/Orders window.
[error] There are no order files for this character!

TXT Saved on => C:\Users\Xentarus\Documents\EVE\logs\Marketlogs

My EVE Folder => C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE



Do you really intend to load orders (not market!) via files? Ensure you have clicked export orders in game before import!
I recommend you to use API import by default (can be configured in properties).

Otherwise try to delete all contents from C:\Users\Xentarus\Documents\EVE\logs\Marketlogs and try again.

In case of further problems please write a bug report with log file and screens.

Thart
U.K.R.A.I.N.E
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2011.08.16 10:40:00 - [229]
 

EVE Mentat 1.1.23 Release


  • Added “Total in escrow” and “Additional ISK to cover” parameters

  • “Error storing data to ‘mentatCorpOrdersHistory’ table” fixed

  • Fixed cache import tool crash: “Application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect”

  • Fixed calculation of “Margin trading” skill influence

  • Fixed: Symbol ‘ is doubled in character names


Full list of changes is available here.

See download link in the first post.

Database from previous version can be imported by selecting appropriate option at the first launch.

Xentarus Maximus
Posted - 2011.08.16 10:44:00 - [230]
 

Edited by: Xentarus Maximus on 16/08/2011 10:52:33
I watching the Video again and again, i do the same what you do. But my "Charakter Orders" Update don't work.
I clear the Marketlog Folder and tested differend Options => don't work.

I found a another Problem. The Market Browser Cache Import work not realy to 100%. Sometimes i can import after Browser Checking ingame only 3 from 20 Products. I can fix it with:
1. Market Browser => Cleanup => Cleanup all market date...
2. EvE Cache clearing
3. Run Ingame-Browser Checking und import again = it works!

(And How to update the program correctly? ... i switch from EVE Mentat 1.1.22.693 to EVE Mentat 1.1.23.700 and i lose all my Tradinginformations :( ) = edit:// ok i can import the old database Smile but can i delete the old EVE Mentat Folder after the import?


Thart
U.K.R.A.I.N.E
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:10:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: Xentarus Maximus
I watching the Video again and again, i do the same what you do. But my "Charakter Orders" Update don't work.
I clear the Marketlog Folder and tested differend Options => don't work.

Go to preferences (Preferences / Import) and set up default import source for character/corp orders to "Eve API".

Originally by: Xentarus Maximus

I found a another Problem. The Market Browser Cache Import work not realy to 100%. Sometimes i can import after Browser Checking ingame only 3 from 20 Products. I can fix it with:
1. Market Browser => Cleanup => Cleanup all market date...
2. EvE Cache clearing
3. Run Ingame-Browser Checking und import again = it works!


FAQ

Originally by: Xentarus Maximus

(And How to update the program correctly? ... i switch from EVE Mentat 1.1.22.693 to EVE Mentat 1.1.23.700 and i lose all my Tradinginformations :( ) = edit:// ok i can import the old database Smile but can i delete the old EVE Mentat Folder after the import?

EVE Mentat asks you what to do after the first launch. Select import database and choose path to old installation. Then you can delete old version.

New version must have all trade information from previous version.

Xentarus Maximus
Posted - 2011.08.16 14:04:00 - [232]
 

Originally by: Thart
Originally by: Xentarus Maximus
I watching the Video again and again, i do the same what you do. But my "Charakter Orders" Update don't work.
I clear the Marketlog Folder and tested differend Options => don't work.

Go to preferences (Preferences / Import) and set up default import source for character/corp orders to "Eve API".



I set up the Character/Corp orders to Eve API. I update the Market Data on the Tab "Market Browser" and than i change my Prices(Copy&Paste). I want check my new Prices but the red icons don't change. API import & File import don't work for me and yes i export on eve Wallet/order bevor i press the button ;)

Xentarus Maximus
Posted - 2011.08.16 21:20:00 - [233]
 

Edited by: Xentarus Maximus on 16/08/2011 21:27:37
Edited by: Xentarus Maximus on 16/08/2011 21:27:03
I think i found the Problem... i use the german Client and the Filename in the Folder is.. example: "Meine Aufträge-2011.08.16 1356.txt"
What do you say? Is that the Golden Key of my Import-Problem?


edit:// on 21:26 evetime
ShockedYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! Very Happy

I found the ****ing BUG Cool i change the Filename from "Meine Aufträge-2011.08.16 1356.txt" to "My orders-2011.08.16 1356.txt" and it works fantastic!! YEAHA!!

Thart
U.K.R.A.I.N.E
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2011.08.17 05:31:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: Xentarus Maximus
I found the ****ing BUG Cool i change the Filename from "Meine Aufträge-2011.08.16 1356.txt" to "My orders-2011.08.16 1356.txt" and it works fantastic!! YEAHA!!

Take a look at Import preferences. There is possibility to set up orders file name pattern. In your case to "Meine Aufträge-*.txt" value.

Xentarus Maximus
Posted - 2011.08.17 05:38:00 - [235]
 

Edited by: Xentarus Maximus on 17/08/2011 05:38:29
Originally by: Thart
Originally by: Xentarus Maximus
I found the ****ing BUG Cool i change the Filename from "Meine Aufträge-2011.08.16 1356.txt" to "My orders-2011.08.16 1356.txt" and it works fantastic!! YEAHA!!

Take a look at Import preferences. There is possibility to set up orders file name pattern. In your case to "Meine Aufträge-*.txt" value.


Ups... i don't see it i can change it. Embarassed I think it's only a selected Menu... Idea

Thart
U.K.R.A.I.N.E
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2011.08.17 06:58:00 - [236]
 

I've made new troubleshooting section based on this conversation :)
File data import troubleshooting

Hektor Raskolnikov
Posted - 2011.08.18 15:09:00 - [237]
 

hey,
is there any way to run evementat on a mac?

Thart
U.K.R.A.I.N.E
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2011.08.18 18:14:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: Hektor Raskolnikov
hey,
is there any way to run evementat on a mac?


Virtual machine only.

Semii Nam
Posted - 2011.08.21 02:50:00 - [239]
 

Hey, first off, great tool. On behalf of the community, thanks for creating.

Now I have a problem. Hypothetical scenario. I have a buy order in Ziona, range station, to buy Small Armor Repairer I. The tool shows me as the highest bidder, however, someone in Amarr had a higher bid with 5 system range.
If i set the preference to region, all my orders turn red, but if i set it to system or station, it does not let me know that my order is infact outbid.

What can i do?

Thart
U.K.R.A.I.N.E
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2011.08.21 08:57:00 - [240]
 

Originally by: Semii Nam
Hey, first off, great tool. On behalf of the community, thanks for creating.

Now I have a problem. Hypothetical scenario. I have a buy order in Ziona, range station, to buy Small Armor Repairer I. The tool shows me as the highest bidder, however, someone in Amarr had a higher bid with 5 system range.
If i set the preference to region, all my orders turn red, but if i set it to system or station, it does not let me know that my order is infact outbid.

What can i do?

For now EVE Mentat cannot calculate distances between solar systems and therefore unable to calculate correct status for buy orders.

I hope it will be implemented in the next version of tool.


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