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rekina
Maladapted Tribe
Posted - 2009.12.07 03:25:00 - [1]
 


I'm wondering about Curse still work against with T1 BCs and BSs after nosferatu nerf.

How do you think about best setup for Curse, guys? I just wanna listen all of your opinions.

And I appreciate if is there someone who teach me about accuracy information about nosferatu nerf?

I dunno anymore it was just nerfed. Embarassed


Forranz
Malice.
Tentative Nature
Posted - 2009.12.07 03:31:00 - [2]
 

It has a bonus to sucking?

rekina
Maladapted Tribe
Posted - 2009.12.07 03:41:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Forranz
It has a bonus to sucking?


yes it is Twisted Evil powerful bonus to sucking!

Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
Posted - 2009.12.07 04:44:00 - [4]
 

but sucking isn't as powerful anymore, so now it just blows

and damn does it blow Twisted Evil

rekina
Maladapted Tribe
Posted - 2009.12.07 06:14:00 - [5]
 

OK I know the Curse is not powerful anymore as before nosferatu nerf. So Curse is useless boat now?Crying or Very sad

I think it could be work in small fleet pretty surely. I need some good setup what I compare with mine :)


Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
Posted - 2009.12.07 06:48:00 - [6]
 

no, it is pretty good.

it just blows cap away, as opposed to sucking it away.

neut or two, + launchers

mwd, shield buffer, td, point

pdus, dcu II

extender rigs

+150m3 of drones

I think that was the standard setup going around. might have also had a cap injector.

FarosWarrior
Amarr
Pure Dutch Damage Corp
Care Factor
Posted - 2009.12.07 10:09:00 - [7]
 

this is a setup I've used:

[Curse, Curse 1]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Nosferatu II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hammerhead II x5

Spectre3353
Gallente
Heavy Risk...
Posted - 2009.12.07 14:46:00 - [8]
 

The Curse is a good ship against some targets and a GREAT ship against others. The more cap and turret dependant a ship is, the more you will be able to bone it with hardly any trouble. Most popular fits I have seen revolve around nano'ing the ship and the two most popular are slight variations on each other where one fits all neuts and the other fits launchers with a neut or two. I don't have EFT on this machine but the all neut setup I usually roll with looks something like this:

Quote:
Lows:
1x Damage Control
3x Nanofibers

Mids:
1x MWD
1x Warp Disruptor
1x Large Shield Extender
1x Invulnerability Field
1x Tracking Disruptor

Highs:
3x Medium Neuts
2x Small Neuts

Rigs:
2x Core Defense Field Extenders

Foulque
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2009.12.07 15:01:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Spectre3353


Quote:
Lows:
1x Damage Control
3x Nanofibers

Mids:
1x MWD
1x Warp Disruptor
1x Large Shield Extender
1x Invulnerability Field
1x Tracking Disruptor

Highs:
3x Medium Neuts
2x Small Neuts

Rigs:
2x Core Defense Field Extenders



No cap booster running that many neuts you're going to cap out stupidly fast. If you want to run with no booster you really do need to fit for cap and a nos can be useful too, it just needs a bit of management.

Spectre3353
Gallente
Heavy Risk...
Posted - 2009.12.07 15:19:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Spectre3353 on 07/12/2009 15:35:24
Originally by: Foulque
Originally by: Spectre3353


Quote:
Lows:
1x Damage Control
3x Nanofibers

Mids:
1x MWD
1x Warp Disruptor
1x Large Shield Extender
1x Invulnerability Field
1x Tracking Disruptor

Highs:
3x Medium Neuts
2x Small Neuts

Rigs:
2x Core Defense Field Extenders



No cap booster running that many neuts you're going to cap out stupidly fast. If you want to run with no booster you really do need to fit for cap and a nos can be useful too, it just needs a bit of management.


I meant to have a cap booster on there as well. Typo.

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2009.12.07 15:32:00 - [11]
 

To OP: Curse is still pretty good even tho NOS is not FOTM.

Nano it and shiled tank it, and personally I just plain disregard teh TD bonus and fit for shield tank:

[Curse, nano]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Disruptor II

Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Valkyrie II x5


Adjust top slots to taste and need.

demonfurbie
Minmatar
Drunken Wookies
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2009.12.07 15:38:00 - [12]
 

[Curse, pew]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Warp Disruptor II

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Widowmaker Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Widowmaker Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Hammerhead II x5


works well for me

Cyb3r D3ath
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.12.07 18:37:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
To OP: Curse is still pretty good even tho NOS is not FOTM.

Nano it and shiled tank it, and personally I just plain disregard teh TD bonus and fit for shield tank:

[Curse, nano]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Disruptor II

Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Valkyrie II x5


Adjust top slots to taste and need.
I support this fit. I would personnaly add 3 Heavy Launcher II's in the empty slots for a little added dps.

Seriously Bored
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.12.07 18:56:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Seriously Bored on 07/12/2009 19:07:51
Last I checked the Curse is still the most notorious solo ship you can fly. No one on earth wants to fight that thing...even if you think you can kill it, it ain't gonna be fun.

As for the Nos changes (it sounds like you're asking about it), you can't draw cap from someone with less capacitor than you any more. And if you have neuts on a Curse, I'm pretty sure that means everyone is going to have less capacitor than you.

The one thing I never figured out with the new nos effect is if it's percentage based or absolute value based, however. (ED: Nevermind. Dev blog says percent.)

Hiroshima Jita
Posted - 2009.12.07 19:26:00 - [15]
 

'Standard' curse fit

Highs
x medium neuts
5-x missile launchers
Mids
MWD
2 LSE
Medium Cap Booster
Warp Disruptor
Invlun field or tracking disruptor
Lows
DC
y pdu
3-y nanofiber internal structure

rigs to your choice but I would fit field extenders

ol gil
Caldari
Posted - 2009.12.07 19:31:00 - [16]
 

Some good setups posted here

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1226783

rekina
Maladapted Tribe
Posted - 2009.12.08 05:47:00 - [17]
 

Thank you guys, this is great thread for me. Also thankful Seriously Bored your answer about the nosferafu nerf. The Best one is if I neutralizing enemy's cap, my cap could stay over than enemy's cap absolutely.Cool I think it means that nosferatu is no more powerful ATM cause when my cap is over than enemy's one, maybe I cannot vampiric his cap, right?

OK I appriciate your opinions guysWink

Demolishar
Posted - 2009.12.08 20:57:00 - [18]
 

What do people think about Capacitor Batteries on Curses? Is there any point in nanoing the Curse any more?

Inertial
Did I just do that
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.12.08 21:45:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Inertial on 08/12/2009 21:46:57
This is a fit I am thinking about trying. It doesn't have a cap booster, because according to some info I found some time ago, it seems like the NOSs still suck cap to you when you have more cap than the opponent, the opponent just don't loose any. I haven't actually tested that, so i would appreciate it if someone could verify.

[Curse, New Setup 1]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Dark Blood Warp Disruptor
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hammerhead II x5

Spectre3353
Gallente
Heavy Risk...
Posted - 2009.12.08 21:54:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Inertial
Edited by: Inertial on 08/12/2009 21:46:57
This is a fit I am thinking about trying. It doesn't have a cap booster, because according to some info I found some time ago, it seems like the NOSs still suck cap to you when you have more cap than the opponent, the opponent just don't loose any. I haven't actually tested that, so i would appreciate it if someone could verify.

[Curse, New Setup 1]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Dark Blood Warp Disruptor
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hammerhead II x5



FAIL

P.S. Hi Intertial.

Deathbarrage
Posted - 2009.12.08 22:00:00 - [21]
 

tbh if you micromanage and hit ships like BS with bigass cap you will find a use for nosf on a curse combined with neut (2neut + 1nos for example) if you do some micromanaging, however this is still not a big enough thing to justify dropping a cap booster

Imperator Jora'h
Posted - 2009.12.08 23:41:00 - [22]
 

I use NOS on ships like Drakes which are (usually) worthless to Neut anyway so they act as a cap recharger.

That or, if you have a gang member who has little/no need for cap, NOS them to act as a cap battery.

Still need a cap booster in there though but that can help.

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2009.12.09 00:07:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Demolishar
What do people think about Capacitor Batteries on Curses?


Only if you are using it somewhere that you are not able to resupply often enough to keep enough cap charges. Otherwise, use a cap booster.

Quote:
Is there any point in nanoing the Curse any more?


Yes. In fact, if you are not nano fitting your Curse, you are doing it wrong.



Also, Curse with no TD = failfit Curse. A single TD can reduce incoming dps from many gunboats to ZERO. An invulnerability field can give you 30% more tank. See if you can figure out why the TD is better.

rekina
Maladapted Tribe
Posted - 2009.12.09 04:51:00 - [24]
 


Quote:
Yes. In fact, if you are not nano fitting your Curse, you are doing it wrong.


Do you think None-nano/TD fitted Curse is useless? I think None-TD Curse is NO, but I have no idea how about Nano-Curse at this time. We all know MWD gonna make us to get huge signature radius penalty, so we going to be whipped by enemy's turret or something.Rolling Eyes


Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2009.12.09 05:22:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: rekina

Quote:
Yes. In fact, if you are not nano fitting your Curse, you are doing it wrong.


Do you think None-nano/TD fitted Curse is useless? I think None-TD Curse is NO, but I have no idea how about Nano-Curse at this time. We all know MWD gonna make us to get huge signature radius penalty, so we going to be whipped by enemy's turret or something.Rolling Eyes




It's only "not useless" in the sense that it's better to have a non-nano Curse than a BattleBadger or something, but it's still a terrible setup. You are wrong on two points:

1) MWD is for range control and your GTFO button, not for tanking. You use the MWD to stay at 25-30km from all targets, ready to run if anything goes bad. It doesn't matter how small your sig radius is if you are too slow to stay out of web/scram range.


2) TD + range script + cruiser or frigate size turrets = ZERO incoming dps, while the tracking script does almost as good a job on battleships. The end result is that it doesn't matter how big your sig is with the MWD, you aren't getting hit. It's just stupid to throw away the TD when it's the single most effective tank module you can fit (unless you're fighting nothing but HML Drakes).

rekina
Maladapted Tribe
Posted - 2009.12.09 06:09:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: rekina on 09/12/2009 06:19:19
Edited by: rekina on 09/12/2009 06:18:15
Quote:
1) MWD is for range control and your GTFO button, not for tanking. You use the MWD to stay at 25-30km from all targets, ready to run if anything goes bad. It doesn't matter how small your sig radius is if you are too slow to stay out of web/scram range.


2) TD + range script + cruiser or frigate size turrets = ZERO incoming dps, while the tracking script does almost as good a job on battleships. The end result is that it doesn't matter how big your sig is with the MWD, you aren't getting hit. It's just stupid to throw away the TD when it's the single most effective tank module you can fit (unless you're fighting nothing but HML Drakes).


You are right. TD is the most single effective tank module, it's definitely trueSmile So your point is One: MWD not works for speedtank, just works for keep distance, Two: TD is better than any other tank module like shield extender, invulnerability etc. I'm pretty sure you are right and that's very interestingWink Just one thing, TD is not effective against all of missile boat, also can not protect from concentrated fire on me(actually any other tank module can not protect from that tooLaughing)

Roughlove
Posted - 2009.12.09 06:33:00 - [27]
 

whats the argument for fitting all extenders+extender rigs instead of extender+invul and throwing a anti-em rig in? EHP seems to be within 500 of each other, and you don't have 2 giant gaping holes should something actually catch you. Although I understand invuls use cap, do they really use so much to justify not having one?

Steely Dhan
Perkone
Posted - 2009.12.09 07:30:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Demolishar
What do people think about Capacitor Batteries on Curses?


Only if you are using it somewhere that you are not able to resupply often enough to keep enough cap charges. Otherwise, use a cap booster.

Quote:
Is there any point in nanoing the Curse any more?


Yes. In fact, if you are not nano fitting your Curse, you are doing it wrong.



Also, Curse with no TD = failfit Curse. A single TD can reduce incoming dps from many gunboats to ZERO. An invulnerability field can give you 30% more tank. See if you can figure out why the TD is better.


"Many"? Are you switching targets with the TD, if so you are still getting shot between targets..or am I reading it wrong?

Nancyboy
Posted - 2009.12.09 07:39:00 - [29]
 

Actually guys i've see a couple Curses with ECM jammers fitted. Actually pretty good idead if you ask me. I know the one was able to jam my vaga pretty quick. I talked to a friend who has great success with 3xOmni jammers fitted.

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2009.12.09 07:48:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 09/12/2009 07:49:24
Originally by: Steely Dhan
"Many"? Are you switching targets with the TD, if so you are still getting shot between targets..or am I reading it wrong?


Many = many different targets, engaged separately. A TD will give you excellent options for which targets you engage, but it obviously will not protect you if you are primaried by multiple targets. That is why you are nano fit, if you start taking too much damage, you MWD away and warp out.


Originally by: Nancyboy
Actually guys i've see a couple Curses with ECM jammers fitted. Actually pretty good idead if you ask me. I know the one was able to jam my vaga pretty quick. I talked to a friend who has great success with 3xOmni jammers fitted.


No, it is a very stupid idea. Unbonused multispectrals have a terrible jam chance, it might be enough to win the fight against really bad ships/setups, but against a good opponent you're dead as soon as you fail a jam cycle (and you will). You might get away with it occasionally due to sheer luck, but in the long run, it all averages out to "you die".


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