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Nasty Thug
Posted - 2009.12.04 12:35:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Nasty Thug on 04/12/2009 13:41:36
On Behalf of Mothership Owners and Pilots.

Following the disasterous rollback of proposed changes to the mothership class whilst giving the Titan its EHP boost and instajib DD of death, titans can now roam nullsec AND lowsec and basically instajib a mothership at will, even with the best deadspace buffer tank only 3 titans are needed to kill a 25BN ship including fittings, unlike carriers which can at least be insured Motherships no longer fit into the catagory of "supercapital" since they can be so easily be killed and have no defence against titans.

As with titans motherships force their pilots to commit to either floating in safespots or being locked up in POS's, both of which require additional resource constraints on the owners, since the omni-present risk of a hictor/titan hotdrop (and already titan pilots have been using their griefing tool de jour of rorquals et al) means MS pilots are skulking about nervous and wary of being preyed on.

This is grossly inbalanced in favour of titans, since the MS serves NO effective purpose in its current stats for any given combat situation pilots should be given a open option by CCP for GM's to allow them to be docked for the duration of this nerf, until they are suitably rebalanced to be combat effective again.

It is grossly unfair of CCP to expect players to continue to pay a monthly subscription fee to simply keep a ship that serves no current purpose or to cover the cost/time sink of running a POS simply to protect a ship that they have made so vunerable due to their hurried and ill-thought out unbalanced changes to supercapitals.

Therefore I petition that all Mothership pilots who wish to, be allowed to request a GM to dock their Mothership in a station so they can leave them safely mothballed and free up their pilots to use more useful ships on behalf of their fleet.

This is not a long term request that motherships be dockable, only a temporary measure that will allow Motherships to be stored out of harms way while the development team produce and implement a solution that revalidates the mothership to supercapital status.

While i appreciate some people think "oh just sell them", that is not a solution, many people who own MS appreciate the difficulty in building and buying these assets and wish to keep them long-term until the issue is addressed, but due to their inability be an effective fleet participant under the new SC changes they should have the option of long-term storage without related expense of tying up an alt account/POS to do so simply because they are getting no benefit for that subscription whilst they cannot be fielded for any useful purpose.

So To clarify the petition request:

this will not be a FORCED dock option.

It will be similar to what happened during the speed patch nerf, where all snake sets were removed so people had the option to sell them or keep them.

What we are asking for is that CCP enables a policy that allows GM's, at a players own request a one-time option via petition to dock their MS in a station, they can then choose to leave the ship in station and remove their character.

Anyone who subsequently undocks their MS will be deemed to have accepted usage of their MS under the current stats and would not be able to redock to prevent any abuse of the system.

This is a fair solution i feel to the problem CCP created, since those who wish to sell their MS can do so, those that wish to continue to use their MS can do so, and those who feel the risk/reward of using the ship has been rendered them useless can have them long-term stored until CCP rebalances them.

Sakar Vahn
Posted - 2009.12.04 12:42:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Sakar Vahn on 04/12/2009 18:50:50
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Ra'Kalin
Posted - 2009.12.04 12:44:00 - [3]
 


Stella's Rage
Caldari
Stella Rage
Posted - 2009.12.04 13:14:00 - [4]
 

Supported. please release us :(

Odda
Gallente
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.12.04 13:20:00 - [5]
 

I'm guesing about 80% of all mom pilots got baned from posting 2 weeks ago. so wait about 1 week and this post wil have more suport.

I suport it tho! Moterships sucks monkey balls now..
Knowing what you Abrathur made, then seeing Nozh **** it all upp has ****ed off most supercap pilots in game..

Rewt ed
Caldari
Singularity.
Talon Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.04 13:29:00 - [6]
 

I agree motherships are a huge liability. They also have very little benefit over other options. Their current state leaves them vulnerable and this needs to be looked into.

I don't think they need to be force docked though. If it's such a huge inconvenience to have a character tied up to hold it, or have a pos to protect it then sell it. No sense in having 20b tied up in a liability you're seeing no benefits from.

If someone wants to drop 240b in assets to kill 20b I'd expect to be killed relatively quickly.

CWevers
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.04 13:34:00 - [7]
 


Nasty Thug
Posted - 2009.12.04 13:51:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Rewt ed
I agree motherships are a huge liability. They also have very little benefit over other options. Their current state leaves them vulnerable and this needs to be looked into.

I don't think they need to be force docked though. If it's such a huge inconvenience to have a character tied up to hold it, or have a pos to protect it then sell it. No sense in having 20b tied up in a liability you're seeing no benefits from.

If someone wants to drop 240b in assets to kill 20b I'd expect to be killed relatively quickly.


My request is not to make MS invunerable to Titans, this is not a request for a XYZ changes - but to give MS pilots affected by the lack of MS changes and effective nerf CHOICE in what they do in the interim.

Because they rebalanced titans and did nothing to MS we all accept in a 60 page threadnaught that MS were effectively nerfed, and the risk to using them far outweighs any benefit they offer a fleet compared to fielding carriers, therefore for those that don't want to sell them (assuming you could even get buyers) there should be a one time option to petition a GM to dock them while CCP sorts this mess out.

All i am asking is i and other MS pilots are given a choice to leave our MS hangered without the expense while CCP rebalances them, sell them or use them.

Nyxster
Gatecrashers
Posted - 2009.12.04 13:55:00 - [9]
 

Supported.

I don't want to see many good friends leave the game over this, because we know how much work it is to skill for, keep and run a MS and its grossly unfair that CCP did absoloutly nothing for anyone after all the hours of testing we did for them. the least they can do is let MS alts be free to fly carriers and other ships in the interim and not feel like we are just paying CCP to babysit ships that are hopelessly outclassed for their role now.


Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2009.12.04 13:59:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Zimi Vlasic on 04/12/2009 13:59:17
Let them dock!

Dah' Khanid
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.04 14:07:00 - [11]
 

Thumbs up.

Tukangas
Posted - 2009.12.04 14:09:00 - [12]
 

signed

Douglas Pearce
Caldari
Music Martinis and Misanthropy
Posted - 2009.12.04 14:14:00 - [13]
 


Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2009.12.04 14:21:00 - [14]
 

I supprt this.

Ranko
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.12.04 14:30:00 - [15]
 

/signed

LordInvisible
Gallente
Nova Ardour

Posted - 2009.12.04 14:35:00 - [16]
 

altough i am not mom pilot i support petitons against stupid CCPs decision..

Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
POD-SQUAD
Posted - 2009.12.04 14:41:00 - [17]
 

I honestly feel that this is reasonable ultill CCP does adjust and balance supercarriers, to their role. Once CCP does it, Super carrier pilots can undock in their new shiny solopwnmobiles. Sound reasonable to me.

Kel Arkir
Biotronics Inc.
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2009.12.04 14:57:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Kel Arkir on 04/12/2009 14:58:25
Me want Neutral

Axebreaker Jones
Posted - 2009.12.04 15:09:00 - [19]
 

supported

LoveKebab
Caldari
LOST IDEA
C0VEN
Posted - 2009.12.04 15:13:00 - [20]
 

aye, atm they are broken :(

Talor Vet
Amarr
Ministry of War

Posted - 2009.12.04 15:45:00 - [21]
 

agreed with the OP

Domania
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2009.12.04 15:56:00 - [22]
 

Mothership? More like Failship, amirite?

I 100% agree! I was very shocked CCP didn't at least add the HP boost for the "supercarriers"(allowed to call them that right now?). Who is Developing this game and what did they do to the real Dev team!

Ammath
Amarr
Burning Technologies
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2009.12.04 16:00:00 - [23]
 

CCP Does not like Mom People.

Felax Thurin
Interstellar eXodus
Posted - 2009.12.04 16:25:00 - [24]
 

Signed

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.12.04 16:25:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Sokratesz on 04/12/2009 16:29:36

Yes to hp buff, no to docking.

McFly
Peanut Factory
Posted - 2009.12.04 16:34:00 - [26]
 

HP Buff or Temporary Dock until the ships are fixed

Severion Atarkos
Posted - 2009.12.04 16:45:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Severion Atarkos on 04/12/2009 16:47:06
Edited by: Severion Atarkos on 04/12/2009 16:46:15
signed hp buff and docking if we can't get it. If we must resort to docking them then we should be able to petition and have CCP move us to a lowsec or 0.0 station of choice.

We worked hard for the things we should be able to use them.

jnb
Black Ash State Services

Posted - 2009.12.04 16:48:00 - [28]
 


Erin Davis
Caldari
Division Six Network
The Smurfs Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.04 16:49:00 - [29]
 

mmhmm...read it preacher

mentalmackem
D00M.
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2009.12.04 17:08:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: mentalmackem on 08/12/2009 05:34:50
i support this /signed


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