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ceo chick
Posted - 2009.12.04 00:09:00 - [1]
 

Basicly the new Titan with his DD is way overpriced for his usage on the allince battlefield.
here its only good to bridge fleets in.

but its perfect for hit and run stuff (was proven in the last 2 days a few times).

well the question i got in my mind is simple.
with a ship that basicly can only be stopped with a hic with focused script in low sec and witch also can destroy any shiptype beside his own and the super carriers in 1 hit, won't we see it soon in nerly any low sec system as priates first choice.

yeah its expansive but who cares about isk this days?

i am not crying or like that, i am just curious about it ;)

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.12.04 00:23:00 - [2]
 

titans don't last long with out support fleet , yeah he might have a super awesome 3 million HP weapon, but it aint no good when your being shot by a fleet is it now

anything with a jump capabilites need to have support as it likly they can't survive on there own

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2009.12.04 00:35:00 - [3]
 

My guess is the drive-by shootings will continue until the first 2-3 titans have been lost doing it....

If a nano-fitted titan is used (most likely), and the pilot has a POS in the system where it happens, then it'll take some fancy footwork (or an extremely stupid titan pilot) to catch him.

If it proves too difficult, then I guess low-sec will soon begin emptying of capitals (incl. freighters)....

murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2009.12.04 00:36:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Armoured C
titans don't last long with out support fleet , yeah he might have a super awesome 3 million HP weapon, but it aint no good when your being shot by a fleet is it now

anything with a jump capabilites need to have support as it likly they can't survive on there own


You're clearly missing the point.

Find cap ship in lowsec, cyno in titan, gank ship in one shot, cloak up and then cyno out when your cap is high enough. Is that simple enough for you? It is indeed the new pirate pimp mobile. Mine should be coming out of the cooker in about three weeks.

Kazang
Wrecking Shots
Posted - 2009.12.04 00:37:00 - [5]
 

What i want to know is why you can DD but can't assign fighters. This perplexes me greatly.

Dodgy Past
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Posted - 2009.12.04 00:42:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Armoured C
titans don't last long with out support fleet , yeah he might have a super awesome 3 million HP weapon, but it aint no good when your being shot by a fleet is it now

anything with a jump capabilites need to have support as it likly they can't survive on there own


You're clearly missing the point.

Find cap ship in lowsec, cyno in titan, gank ship in one shot, cloak up and then cyno out when your cap is high enough. Is that simple enough for you? It is indeed the new pirate pimp mobile. Mine should be coming out of the cooker in about three weeks.
You might be missing a 10 minute gap between the shooting and cloaking.

Sadly it'll be more likely cyno in, 1 shot capital, logofski.

JSC
Posted - 2009.12.04 00:45:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Armoured C
titans don't last long with out support fleet , yeah he might have a super awesome 3 million HP weapon, but it aint no good when your being shot by a fleet is it now

anything with a jump capabilites need to have support as it likly they can't survive on there own


You are inconsistent with your grammar. Confused

murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2009.12.04 00:50:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Dodgy Past
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Armoured C
titans don't last long with out support fleet , yeah he might have a super awesome 3 million HP weapon, but it aint no good when your being shot by a fleet is it now

anything with a jump capabilites need to have support as it likly they can't survive on there own


You're clearly missing the point.

Find cap ship in lowsec, cyno in titan, gank ship in one shot, cloak up and then cyno out when your cap is high enough. Is that simple enough for you? It is indeed the new pirate pimp mobile. Mine should be coming out of the cooker in about three weeks.
You might be missing a 10 minute gap between the shooting and cloaking.

Sadly it'll be more likely cyno in, 1 shot capital, logofski.


Cloak/log/w/e. Obviously it will be a very bad idea to use a titan completely solo, but even with just a few support ships it can easily kill a single cap ship and escape. And this isn't counting friendly POSes and deep safes etc.

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2009.12.04 00:50:00 - [9]
 

Finally station hugging carriers and dreads have something to be scared of?

I have no sympathy.

I think most other stuff would be able to warp before it got hit.

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2009.12.04 00:56:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: murder one
Cloak/log/w/e. Obviously it will be a very bad idea to use a titan completely solo, but even with just a few support ships it can easily kill a single cap ship and escape. And this isn't counting friendly POSes and deep safes etc.

All he really need is a cyno-alt, a tackler (depending on circumstances) and a POS in system.

If he wants to be really safe, have a Falcon ready to break any locks any HIC might get on him...

Light cyno, tackle, jump titan in, shoot, wait 30 seconds, warp to POS. Wait 10 minutes for cool-down jump out and repeat.

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2009.12.04 01:12:00 - [11]
 

station huggers worse nightmare

Drakarin
Gallente
Absentia Libertas Solus
Posted - 2009.12.04 01:57:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Armoured C
titans don't last long with out support fleet , yeah he might have a super awesome 3 million HP weapon, but it aint no good when your being shot by a fleet is it now

anything with a jump capabilites need to have support as it likly they can't survive on there own


I just ran the numbers in EFT, I can fit a titan to have 8.5 million effective hp with a 5,000 dps tank and 85% resistances across the board, with 18 minutes of cap (excluding super weapon).

How exactly does that go down fast? Even to a full fleet of 20 ships it would take a while, and unless I'm mistaken Titan's cannot be warp jammed at all, so as long as its aligned...

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2009.12.04 02:03:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 04/12/2009 02:04:49

We are still talking about a 50-60 billion isk ship with around a 10 billion isk fitting.

Dreads and Carriers cost around a billion which isn't a lot of money these days.

If the Titan doesn't happen to get caught and killed the first time it comes out and blasts one of their dreads or carriers into atoms, they can go QQ some more.

By far it's the Mothership pilots I feel sorry for, hopefully they all have the sense to leave them parked for now.


Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.12.04 05:53:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Finally station hugging carriers and dreads have something to be scared of?\



..and cyno'ing in lowsec suddenly started requiring :SHOCK: a scout and some skill. I'm eagerly awaiting the first titan death because of a succesfully set trap. Could be mine for all I care ;)

Tammarr
Posted - 2009.12.04 06:16:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Drakarin
unless I'm mistaken Titan's cannot be warp jammed at all, so as long as its aligned...


Its called heavy interdictor focused script to scram a titan in loes. Update your eft to.

Ocih
Amarr
Space Mermaids
Posted - 2009.12.04 11:15:00 - [16]
 

Titans werent allowed in lowsec pre patch. Is this a bug or a new addition?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.12.04 11:19:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Ocih
Titans werent allowed in lowsec pre patch.


Guess again

Kazang
Wrecking Shots
Posted - 2009.12.04 11:24:00 - [18]
 

It will get nerfed tbh. It should do at least. Titan DD in low sec where you cannot even fully utilize a carrier or mothership is ******ed.

NoNah
Posted - 2009.12.04 11:29:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Ocih
Titans werent allowed in lowsec pre patch. Is this a bug or a new addition?


They were quite allowed, just couldn't use the DD.

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2009.12.04 12:38:00 - [20]
 

/stupid Titan pilot signing in! ugh

CommmanderInChief
Posted - 2009.12.04 12:43:00 - [21]
 

tbh i dont see many titan pilots risking even using it now..they will become a relic of the past..unless CCP make into a proper mothership..like a moving station

xttz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.12.04 12:50:00 - [22]
 

Lets clear up some misconceptions and generally ******ed ignorance here.

Fighters can be used in 0.1 - 0.3 space, but not 0.4
For some reason 0.4 is the "semi-empire" level where towers still need charters and you cant moon mine.

Titans can be tackled by Heavy dictors quite easily. After using a DD they are stuck for 30 seconds, and will need even longer to warp out again. Tanked titans align like freighters. Their XL weapons are also incapable of tracking a moving heavy dictor, so they need support to break out.
They can't jump or cloak for 10mins after a DD. Basically titans are designed to be caught easily. Do it.

Those of you who agress with capitals in docking range of stations, can you please explain why you think you should continue to be invulnerable? Titans are the new counter to station-hugging, which should never have been risk-free to start with.
Those of you not agressed, dock. It's not rocket science.

Nasty Thug
Posted - 2009.12.04 12:54:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Nasty Thug on 04/12/2009 12:56:12
A lot of people miss the point entirely about the titan drive-bys.

When DD was a area of effect usage it wasn't allowed in Lowsec, now its a single shot CCP seems to think its OK to use it in lowsec, so basically titan finds a emptyish system with a rorqual, JF, freighter, carrier or whatever in it, said ship is owned by a small 12 man corp, hictor scout points target and cynos in titan, titan instajibs target. can't cloak for 10 minutes, cant jump for 10 minutes can't warp for 10 minutes.

1: how many 12 man corps have or could call upon within 10 minutes a big enough dread/BS fleet to take out a titan.
2: assuming you could call in alliance friends who wanted a titan KM what are the odds that they just happen to have enough dreads/BS/Titans in jump range to come to kill said titan within 10 minutes?
3: assuming you did manage to get your alliance blob to come and kill the titan, who is to say the titans owners can't just bridge in his own super blob.
4: you need to keep throwing scripted hictors at the titan at 120m+ a go until you get the fleet there, that might be a trivial sum for an alliance but most small lowsec corps don't have phat T2 wallets.
5: there is a lot of discussion that titans are now more vunerable on the alliance stage, so its fairly obvious that the ability to jump into some dead-end system and one-shot a carrier/rorqual/freighter is going to be entertainment central for titan pilots for some time to come, mothership pilots are even more at risk and you would have to be bat**** stupid to log a MS in atm.

As for this solving station hugging caps, well it doesn't - the time it would take the titan to lock they will just dock up again.

Non capital pilots probably think the notion of watching a carrier/MS/dread getting instajibbed is quite funny, now imagine they were allowed to do it in your favourite L4 mission hub, how entertained would you be to get your mission hotdropped and watch your factiong golem/CNR get vaporised knowing there is nothing at all you could do about it, unless you happened to have a 50 man dread fleet sat by in range just waiting on the off-chance that it might happen at some point.

What makes me lol most about this change, CCP supposedly nerfed titans AOE to stop them becoming drive pay wtfsolobbqmobiles on alliance fleet fights, now they have just made them a insta-gank wtfsolopwnmobiles for lowsec where alliance fleets aren't likely to hotdrop them with a 50 man dread fleet, and what lol's is nozh and co's assertation that mothership changes would make them overpowered and the moros needed nerfing to stop THEM solo instajibbing hapless freighter/rorqual/carrier pilots.

I would consider training and chopping in the nyx for an erebus, but tbh i know as soon as i do it CCP will "work their scrum developer excellence" again and nerf titans so a noob can instajib them with a ibis civilian titan killer.

and to the above goonie poster and other alliance guys:

Seriously, we know a titan is easy to catch and kill under alliance fleet conditions, but please stop pretending that every small lowsec pirate/whatever corp has access to MM/atlas/goons/IT levels of cap killing fleets on-call for the moment this happens, most small corps are lucky if they have 10 pilots on line, so expecting anyone outside a power-bloc to be able to kill a titan after one of these events is lol funny.

Anianka Star
Posted - 2009.12.04 12:58:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Chribba
/stupid Titan pilot signing in! ugh


/me removes all veld from the overview

Borgh Brainbasher
Saint Industrial Services
STEEL BROTHERHOOD
Posted - 2009.12.04 13:08:00 - [25]
 

recipe for awesome.

1. find a sustem with high level of drivebys
2. contact one of the one-shotted pilots
3. hand him a shiny new carrier
4. undock 5 hictors the moment the titan does its trick
5. jump in your massive dreag gang from two systems over because the titan didn't have proper scouts.
6. ?????? (might involve explosions)
7. depending on loot, profit


1 and 2 can be substituted by "be contacted by one of the driveby'ed pilots

Chinwe Rhei
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2009.12.04 13:32:00 - [26]
 

i fail to see the problem with this it's not like he's gonna have time to target anything sub capital before it gets away is he ? (not to mention the huge risk not being worth the reward)

and well lowsec capital pilots needed a challenge at least a titan can't play dock games all day.

Malande
Amarr
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.12.04 13:39:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Nasty Thug
Edited by: Nasty Thug on 04/12/2009 12:56:12

1: how many 12 man corps have or could call upon within 10 minutes a big enough dread/BS fleet to take out a titan.



Well as long as you can get enough people to tackle it and keep off the titans alts all you'd need to do is post a tread on the forums and go shout in your nearest pirate systsm/fraction warfare system to draw the KM-hores Rolling Eyes

Eye Launderisk
Posted - 2009.12.04 15:25:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Nasty Thug
As for this solving station hugging caps, well it doesn't - the time it would take the titan to lock they will just dock up again.

ITT, we don't understand how aggression works.

ELi

Hiroshima Jita
Posted - 2009.12.04 19:14:00 - [29]
 

It will become more popular with rich pirates. Being able to wipe out an aggressed station hugging capitol is win.

There will be problems for the pirates that do this though. If anybody is stupid enough to think about doing drivebys on a regular basis remember this. If you driveby enough in one area the big alliances will take note. You will have 100 man fleets hiding in obscure locations ready to be titan bridged to you waiting for hours when you or your alts log in and possibly waiving cheaply fit inusred capitols around in lowsec with hictor wings.

Titans will be lost to this. Obviously a smart titan that is careful is going to have a decent survivability. But they are not invulnerable and one ****up is game over for this kind of play.

Sig Sour
Posted - 2009.12.04 19:42:00 - [30]
 

I have no idea how titans are/were restricted. I had seen them in low sec before, but to my understanding they could not doomsday or jump bridge from low sec. Is that no longer the case?

The wiki about titans says nothing about how they are restricted by system security.


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