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Lister ofSMEG
Gallente
BOAE INC
Posted - 2009.12.02 12:27:00 - [1]
 

Like a lot a players im sure the Dominion patch was eagerly anticipated with the expectation of new features to make the game we play better.

For me it was the introduction of new ships, namely the new faction T1 battleships. Plus I was very eager to finally make use of the half million or so Loyalty points i had acrued at a Six Kin agent. But it seems this is not meant to be.

On my first log in after the patch, I check the loyalty store and find nothing new. I figure this is a bug, an over sight. What are ccp upto??? I raise a petition and get a friendly letter back saying:

Thank you for contacting customer support.
Tier 1 navy versions only obtainable through Factional Warfare LP stores in an effort to boost their rewards for participating players.
Best regards,


Now im a patient guy so i write back questioning this. My logic is :

I have run missions for Galantee Fed navy before, but never been involved or planned to be involved in factional warfare.

I also use a republic fleet firetail, which i got from Six Kin, a non factional warfare corp but I dont use it in any factional warfare.

I use Faction ammunition in missions but i dont do factional warfare.

I dont see the connection with 500mill isk battleships only being available to someone who 98% of the time wouldnt dare use it to run in a PVP enviroment but just happens to be mission running for a faction warfare possible corp.

I dont see the connection at all. And the fact that i can get all other faction warfare items at my non faction warfare corp, but not this new battleship is simply confusing and makes no sence.

I can't be the only one thinking this.

I wouldnt normally bother, but the GM said it wasn't a petitionable item and i should come here to this exact forum and "You can voice your concerns on the forums, and you can be assured it will get the due attention needed".

I guess the Forum is really looked at as being constructive by CCP....oh wait, maybe it was sarcasm.....






Nika Dekaia
Posted - 2009.12.02 12:40:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 02/12/2009 12:41:44
CCP wanted to make FW more attractive by adding exclusive items to the FW LP store.

Since you are complaining, it seems to work. Get over it or join FW.

Edit:
Originally by: Lister ofSMEG
I dont see the connection at all. And the fact that i can get all other faction warfare items at my non faction warfare corp, but not this new battleship is simply confusing and makes no sence
Would you rather have all navy items transfered to the FW LP shop?

..thought so.

Lister ofSMEG
Gallente
BOAE INC
Posted - 2009.12.02 12:48:00 - [3]
 

Quote:
I dont see the connection at all. And the fact that i can get all other faction warfare items at my non faction warfare corp, but not this new battleship is simply confusing and makes no sence
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Would you rather have all navy items transfered to the FW LP shop?

..thought so.


It would certainly make more sence then the split system we currently have yes. Why would a non faction corp have access to the same faction items at no increase in LP..........That makes no sence either. And your instant dismisal of my raising a concern as a "complaint" isn't helpful.


If i had been running missions for Gall Fed navy and still had nothing to do with fleet wars, i would have access to the new Battleships. Once again, whats that got to do with FW?

Gun Gal
Posted - 2009.12.02 13:02:00 - [4]
 

dont cry about it. deal with it it.

want the ship? get involved or buy it from someone who is involved.

Nika Dekaia
Posted - 2009.12.02 13:13:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 02/12/2009 13:14:16
Originally by: Lister ofSMEG
It would certainly make more sence then the split system we currently have yes. Why would a non faction corp have access to the same faction items at no increase in LP..........That makes no sence either. And your instant dismisal of my raising a concern as a "complaint" isn't helpful.
Well, you are complaining.


Originally by: Lister ofSMEG
If i had been running missions for Gall Fed navy and still had nothing to do with fleet wars, i would have access to the new Battleships. Once again, whats that got to do with FW?
No, you wouldn't have access to the new Navy Tier 1 BS. They are Faction Warfare LP Shop only.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2009.12.02 13:16:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Lister ofSMEG
Thank you for contacting customer support.
Tier 1 navy versions only obtainable through Factional Warfare LP stores in an effort to boost their rewards for participating players.
Best regards,


I have run missions for Galantee Fed navy before, but never been involved or planned to be involved in factional warfare.


You see what is happening there? People, much like yourself, need a greater incentive to participate in FW. Providing the tier 1 navy boats as FW rewards is doing just that. You can always buy them off people, since as you say, its more likely they won't use them in PVP but as income by reselling.

You seem to be putting a bit of roleplay 'realism' into your reasoning too. Consider that NAVY ships could be seen as offered to those that work for the good of the NAVY rather than the average loyal agent runners who do not operate under the same pressures.

Originally by: Lister ofSMEG
I wouldnt normally bother, but the GM said it wasn't a petitionable item and i should come here to this exact forum and "You can voice your concerns on the forums, and you can be assured it will get the due attention needed".

You are being a bit whiny, chances are you will get appropriate responses.

Robert Caldera
Posted - 2009.12.02 13:36:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Robert Caldera on 02/12/2009 13:44:04
CCP designated the new battleships for FW players only,
what is your problem with that? They arent for you if you didnt play FW.

Its sorta boost and its working only if its really only for FW-players and not the 0815 mission runner.

Its a nice reward for people who did all the time, even though I would never pay 700 mio for a navy geddon (looks cool) where a tier 3 BS does the job better and cheaper.

Join FW if you want them. Easy, hm??

Ashani Osaka
Amarr
Ethereal Acolytes
Posted - 2009.12.02 14:36:00 - [8]
 

CCP have been making changes all year to FW, its well known its a side of =EVE= theyre trying to push into becomming as common as missions or mining.

your entire post just made me lol @ Lister, because no matter what "logic" you try and conjour, end of the day if you couldve been bothered for 1/2 the time it took you to start this topic, to read some info on Dominion, you wouldnt be so disapointed right now and you wouldve known about FW LP only tier 1 bs's.

in future, dont assume. read the dev blogs.

S'Sturak
Posted - 2009.12.02 17:23:00 - [9]
 

I'm going to have to buy the ships off of another player myself, as I have absolutely no intention of EVER joining factional warfare, or ever opening fire on another player.

Call me a carebear, but that's how I am. I am loving EVE for the PvE.
I do missions all day long. I poke about in wormhole space, looking for some low danger targets to attack.
I make friends who are also into helping others, and not just ruining someone's day.

As was pointed out, apparently people don't actually use these faction ships in PvP.
So it's odd that they're essentially a PvP reward. But, whatever...

I'll hope to buy one (for a ridiculous price) so I can use it to run missions, as that seems to be what the ships are best designed for.

I would be happy if CCP gave us a chance to earn these ships by simply working for the faction Navy (without being a part of faction warfare). Because, it does make sense. You work for the navy, and get a navy ship.
But I understand them wanting to give more incentive for people to do faction warfare.
Really, they'd have to offer something rather mindblowing for it to be worth my time. Maybe a Navy Titan? :)
Okay, so I don't see myself ever flying a Titan... would be cool though. :p

I used to do PvP in other MMO's. Hell, used to play Warhammer Online, which was by far the king of all PvP/RvR games.
The thing is... while at first I used to think that it was about tactics and strategy, that there was something about "testing your skills" against other great players... it quickly became evident that that's not the case. It's about going online, finding the best setup to use (there's always complete rundowns on every piece of gear/equipment you should have), and just using that properly.
Once I was able to just go in to endgame PvP in these games, and slaughter people just because I had the optimal gear setup... it became clear that PvP comes down to either having the better stuff when it's one on one... or just having numbers when it's about groups.

Misanthra
Posted - 2009.12.03 03:49:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Misanthra on 03/12/2009 04:45:50
Edited by: Misanthra on 03/12/2009 03:51:07
Originally by: S'Sturak


As was pointed out, apparently people don't actually use these faction ships in PvP.
So it's odd that they're essentially a PvP reward. But, whatever...




Its the same thing with rare loot drops in low/null sec. Null sec'er won't use stuff 9/10 times since chances are good at some point their ship will go boom.. makes a nice thing to ship/carry back to empire though for sale though and useful for keeping the wallet filled.

CCP dangles carrots to try and make players try new things. This the FW carrot. If carebear your style...well then after some lv 4 farming you can get this item. Win win for everyone. FW'er gets extra cash for a ship they'll never use but need isk to replace pvp losses. The carebear gets a ship he has the money to pay boosted price cause lets be honest unless planning on pos'...once you have your level 4 farmer tweaked you aren't spending any cash except on ammo and drone losses since you aren't popping ships weekly unless you are really bad at missions lol.


 

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