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Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.12.02 10:26:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Marlona Sky on 02/12/2009 10:28:10
Even though the faction ships have been adjusted, the Vindicator is still lacking. At its current state is by at least double in cost and double in training time to be too close to what you would get in a Megathron Navy Issue.

I propose increasing the 25% damage bonus to large hybrid turrets and the 125m3 drone bay to:

37.5% to large hybrid turret damage and 150m3 drone bay.

This will make it the close in your face melting ship it is supposed to be. It also makes it worth training a second race battleship skill to level 5.

darius mclever
Posted - 2009.12.02 18:44:00 - [2]
 

given that a CCP dev was following the Testserver feedback thread already. i am not sure you need this one.

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions

Posted - 2009.12.02 19:30:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: darius mclever
given that a CCP dev was following the Testserver feedback thread already. i am not sure you need this one.


They expressed interest after they closed the feedback. Just because its done does not mean that its balanced. I guess because they are done with motherships then they are balanced? Of course not.

darius mclever
Posted - 2009.12.02 19:34:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: darius mclever
given that a CCP dev was following the Testserver feedback thread already. i am not sure you need this one.


They expressed interest after they closed the feedback. Just because its done does not mean that its balanced. I guess because they are done with motherships then they are balanced? Of course not.


Well motherships got reverted. and i think the Vindicator wasnt touched as the discussion started to close to the end of the cycle. i would just say wait for dominion 1.1 and see what you get. though for the first 1-2 weeks they will be busy with new bugs introduced in dominion. i have opened 3 bugreports in the first night :S

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2009.12.06 21:33:00 - [5]
 

Navythron has seven turrets, Vindicator has 8. That's a 42.9% damage bonus, if you compare it to the same baseline as the Navythron. The drone bay isn't perfect, but none is - if you want light drones, stick them in. It's supposed to be good, not perfect.

murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2009.12.06 22:44:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Navythron has seven turrets, Vindicator has 8. That's a 42.9% damage bonus, if you compare it to the same baseline as the Navythron. The drone bay isn't perfect, but none is - if you want light drones, stick them in. It's supposed to be good, not perfect.


Navythron also has an 8th high slot, an 8th lowslot, more drones, half the cost, etc. etc.

Your argument is a non starter.

Tortugan
Internal Anarchy
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2009.12.06 22:46:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Navythron has seven turrets, Vindicator has 8. That's a 42.9% damage bonus, if you compare it to the same baseline as the Navythron. The drone bay isn't perfect, but none is - if you want light drones, stick them in. It's supposed to be good, not perfect.


Yes and no. Every other pirate ship has one thing that it does extremely well in addition to put out good DPS- with the Bhaalgorn you have neuts, with the Nightmare you have an insane tank, with the Mach you have amazing speed and agility. With the Vindicator, I think it still does need a bit of love in some way or another to put it on par. Yes, it has the highest damage capacity of any pirate ship- but to me the difference of 200 or so DPS between a Vindicator and a Navy Mega isn't worth double the price tag. I'd love to see it get a bigger damage bonus so it can put out 2k DPS with good skills and still have an OK buffer tank- but regardless of what buff it gets, I think the vindi does need some loving to put it on-par with the other pirate battleships.

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.12.07 16:43:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Marconus Orion on 07/12/2009 16:42:55
Lets not forget about having to cross train to another race to fly the vindicator. Simply put at its current incarnation, the vindicator is simply not worth the time to train or the double price tag than that of the equally as effective navy mega.

Boost the damage bonus.

Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2009.12.07 17:43:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Tortugan

Yes and no. Every other pirate ship has one thing that it does extremely well in addition to put out good DPS- with the Bhaalgorn you have neuts, with the Nightmare you have an insane tank, with the Mach you have amazing speed and agility. With the Vindicator, I think it still does need a bit of love in some way or another to put it on par.


You grossly underestimate the power of a 90% web, never mind two.

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2009.12.08 15:48:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Tortugan
Yes and no. Every other pirate ship has one thing that it does extremely well in addition to put out good DPS- with the Bhaalgorn you have neuts, with the Nightmare you have an insane tank, with the Mach you have amazing speed and agility. With the Vindicator, I think it still does need a bit of love in some way or another to put it on par. Yes, it has the highest damage capacity of any pirate ship- but to me the difference of 200 or so DPS between a Vindicator and a Navy Mega isn't worth double the price tag. I'd love to see it get a bigger damage bonus so it can put out 2k DPS with good skills and still have an OK buffer tank- but regardless of what buff it gets, I think the vindi does need some loving to put it on-par with the other pirate battleships.


The "special feature" is the dual 90% webs. It's not as impressive as the godly Bhaalgorn EW, but it's better than the Rattlesnake gets. Of course, a faction BS being better than a Rattlesnake and worse than a Bhaalgorn is sort of the default, but if I had to pick between Nightmare/Machariel/Vindicator for the best of the three, I really don't know which I'd pick. I certainly wouldn't say that it's obviously worse than the other two.


 

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