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Idami Raptor
Gallente
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
Posted - 2009.11.28 20:31:00 - [1]
 

So far as I know, only one guy is using this as yet, but it's quite effective so it's probably only a matter of time. It is, in fact, nigh-unstoppable.

Works like this. This Goon, Kal Ora, has these four alts, apparently all on separate accounts and all in NPC corps. Two of them, Yalalala and YaIaIaIa are sacrificial sec status lambs, the actual suicide gankers, permanently -10 sec status. The other two are the support.

He uses his alt, Terarah, to bring in the suicide battleships(mainly Typhoons from what I've seen). Sets them up at a safespot, nothing fancy, just a bookmark dropped somewhere between the ice field and a celestial. One or both of the gankers(he does it both ways) in pods, warp to the safespot and wait.

Meanwhile, his other support alt, Arildurus, goes to the ice field in his crane. The crane is the warp in targeting point for the gankers. He sets it up humping whatever he wants to be the centerpoint of his killzone, focusing on finding bunched up groups of ice miners.

Then, when he judges the moment is right, his gank toons hop in the battleships, warp to the crane(who warps off), and start smartbombing as soon as they drop out of warp. Ice miners and industrials evaporate, and the resulting lag from the smartbombs and CONCORD spawn ball make it almost impossible to warp your pod out, so he gets that too. Then the crane comes back and loots the wreckage.

He also posts the killmails, with the killer's name falsified to his main on the Battleclinic and Goonswarm killboards, thus inflating his kill count for his main without the main ending up permanently -10 sec.

Despite having to eject from the battleship to get his -10 alts into them, he's apparently gotten wise to the theft potential and so now tends to do single-toon ganks, leaving Tera in the phoon until the last second, giving little to no time to either scram the phoon down at the safespot or steal the battleship before he gets into it. When combined with the fact that all four alts are in noob NPC corps, this leaves retaliation down to podding the ganker alts, which basically costs him nothing(he med-clone jumps all the time anyway).

It's an almost flawless setup that allows him to kill hundreds of ice miners with almost no possible retaliation other than collecting a few pointless pods, at least without taking a sec status hit and CONCORDoken yourself.

Amazing more people don't do it, but then he does have to four-box to do it.

Vistilantus
Caldari
Vitriol Ventures
BLACK-MARK
Posted - 2009.11.28 20:35:00 - [2]
 

Wow, what a great tactic, i'm sure nobody has ever thought of this before.... Rolling Eyes

TO JITA BATMAN!

Rellik B00n
Posted - 2009.11.28 20:44:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Idami Raptor

He also posts the killmails, with the killer's name falsified to his main on the Battleclinic and Goonswarm killboards, thus inflating his kill count for his main without the main ending up permanently -10 sec.


And there it is, all the proof you'll ever need that killboards are borked without a central killboard provided by CCP who apparently STILL dont want to make one.

Boomershoot
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
Posted - 2009.11.28 20:55:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Rellik B00n
Originally by: Idami Raptor

He also posts the killmails, with the killer's name falsified to his main on the Battleclinic and Goonswarm killboards, thus inflating his kill count for his main without the main ending up permanently -10 sec.


And there it is, all the proof you'll ever need that killboards are borked without a central killboard provided by CCP who apparently STILL dont want to make one.
CCP
WILL
NEVER
MAKE
INGAME
KILLBOARD

get over it, CWNMIK

Absolute Clarity
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.28 21:26:00 - [5]
 

Idami... u mad?

Idami Raptor
Gallente
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
Posted - 2009.11.28 21:32:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Absolute Clarity
Idami... u mad?


Nah. Mildly annoyed at best. It's a clever use of the mechanics, really. Absolute maximum possible number of easy kills with the absolute minimum risk of failure, loss, or retaliation.

It's the last part that annoys me. No matter how hard I try, it's basically impossible to stop him. Or even hurt him. I've yet to see an actual goon ingame since I came back though, when I do, it'll be odd to have them lacking the little blue +. I've yet to see a goon white or red yet.

Rellik B00n
Posted - 2009.11.28 21:38:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: Rellik B00n
Originally by: Idami Raptor

He also posts the killmails, with the killer's name falsified to his main on the Battleclinic and Goonswarm killboards, thus inflating his kill count for his main without the main ending up permanently -10 sec.


And there it is, all the proof you'll ever need that killboards are borked without a central killboard provided by CCP who apparently STILL dont want to make one.
CCP
WILL
NEVER
MAKE
INGAME
KILLBOARD

get over it, CWNMIK


idk why you feel the need to tell me what i said in block caps I only wrote it like 5 minutes ago. Still a helpful service, perhaps you could agree to follow every post i make with a block caps summary for the poor of sight?

Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
Posted - 2009.11.28 21:39:00 - [8]
 

2008 called, they want Justin Timberlake back

Idami Raptor
Gallente
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
Posted - 2009.11.28 21:46:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Captain Pompous
2008 called, they want Justin Timberlake back


They can have him!

Oscardoodle
Amarr
Posted - 2009.11.28 22:58:00 - [10]
 

Totally never done before ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2009.11.29 00:19:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Rellik B00n
And there it is, all the proof you'll ever need that killboards are borked without a central killboard provided by CCP who apparently STILL dont want to make one.



and seeing EVE becoming CS in space?


no thanks.

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.11.29 00:54:00 - [12]
 

CS in space sounds pretty cool

Tramp Oline
Posted - 2009.11.29 01:18:00 - [13]
 

At least he only gets the basic insurance payment instead of the top insurance coverage.

Bai ZongTong
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.11.29 01:20:00 - [14]
 

this thread proves that C&P is years ahead of CAOD c/d?

Rellik B00n
Posted - 2009.11.29 02:31:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Rellik B00n
And there it is, all the proof you'll ever need that killboards are borked without a central killboard provided by CCP who apparently STILL dont want to make one.



and seeing EVE becoming CS in space?


no thanks.


wat.

Jack Norris
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.11.29 04:59:00 - [16]
 

This will be dealt with

PostmasterGeneral
Minmatar
yo i'm posting
Posted - 2009.11.29 09:29:00 - [17]
 

that's a whole lotta text in that op there

Fernous
Gallente
Autistic Sharks
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.11.29 10:33:00 - [18]
 

Idami, get back into the cage....sheesh.......

*Whacks Idami with a rolled up newspaper*

Zaisig Murakk
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.29 10:35:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Tramp Oline
At least he only gets the basic insurance payment instead of the top insurance coverage.


Actually he does.

Steve Celeste
Overdogs
Posted - 2009.11.29 11:00:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Tramp Oline
At least he only gets the basic insurance payment instead of the top insurance coverage.

I see what you did there.


Also, to the OP: You mad?

Thuul'Khalat
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.11.29 11:42:00 - [21]
 

While it is more than possible I am misremembering, as there had been a... erm... minor amount of alcohol consumed at the time, didn't CCP speak about killtracking in New Eden/COSMOS at Fanfest?

Junko Togawa
Caldari
Posted - 2009.11.29 13:00:00 - [22]
 

Isn't inflating KB stats with mining vessel kills kinda like padding your Major League record with stats gained while you play JV Baseball? ugh

That said, he wants to go to all that trouble to pop some ice miners, moar powah to him.

Taladool
Minmatar
JIta-Hosting
Posted - 2009.11.29 16:13:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Idami Raptor
Originally by: Absolute Clarity
Idami... u mad?


Nah. Mildly annoyed at best. It's a clever use of the mechanics, really. Absolute maximum possible number of easy kills with the absolute minimum risk of failure, loss, or retaliation.

It's the last part that annoys me. No matter how hard I try, it's basically impossible to stop him. Or even hurt him. I've yet to see an actual goon ingame since I came back though, when I do, it'll be odd to have them lacking the little blue +. I've yet to see a goon white or red yet.


You do know that a buffer tanked Mackinaw will tank the dmg of a single BS smartbombing, and if your skills are good and you bother with the implants it should be able to handle 2...

hellsknights
Element 115.
Posted - 2009.11.29 16:23:00 - [24]
 

old tactics, nothing new there.....

Kazang
Wrecking Shots
Posted - 2009.11.29 21:47:00 - [25]
 

Suicide ganking miners is YARRRR!!

Editing killmails like that is ugh

Benedict Carol
Posted - 2009.11.30 19:25:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Kazang
Suicide ganking miners is YARRRR!!

Editing killmails like that is ugh


It's not like anyone is impressed with goons on the killboards - they have no credibility anywhere in that regard.


murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2009.11.30 23:59:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Benedict Carol
Originally by: Kazang
Suicide ganking miners is YARRRR!!

Editing killmails like that is ugh


It's not like anyone is impressed with goons on the killboards - they have no credibility anywhere in that regard.




Goons have killboards?

Antone delMishna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.12.01 19:00:00 - [28]
 

I don't believe that we have killboards.

Zill
Friends of Honor
Posted - 2009.12.01 20:43:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Zill on 01/12/2009 20:44:19
Leave it to a goon to work this out hehe, only GS woulod figure out how to "slip round the rules". Nice one lads....no really :)

I wish you lads would bring back the highsec "Jihad" of years ago, Hisec miners bug me now because they all carry on bout how hard they have it an how dangerous it is for them now LOL

I miss seeing reports of "GS in Genesis, warp to safe!!"

Marko Riva
Posted - 2009.12.01 21:19:00 - [30]
 

<- not at all training up some worthless alt to use SB's and not care about sec status.


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