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Shazard
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Posted - 2009.11.23 09:46:00 - [1]
 

Oookey... in general I have all the skills to do invention stuff.

Question is, if I want to do my own T2 production, then what is potential profit, if I do invention myself, but everything else I buy from market?

I want to go with T2 frig/cruiser production. I understand that that interface investment is one time investment, say I spend my 40m to buy that investment, that's ok. Now I get datacores from hack sites, R&D agents... no problem.

I do my invention and get that nice Ishkur BPC... Now... If I buy all the needed stuff for Ishkur production from market, what would be my profit in %... How much of T2 ship price the inventent BPC covers?

I am asking because I want to understand if I invest into additional skills for production (I have prod efficency V allready) and go make those ships... Or normal ppl do full cycle of production, buying only some fraction of stuff from market?

What is normal T2 producer profession like? Coz few friends who do the stuff, does mining and T2 component production for themselves, I can't do mining and T2 component production... as I don't have T2 component BPOs

Kaivos
Pyydys
Posted - 2009.11.23 09:54:00 - [2]
 

There are people who do the whole chain from raw materials to T2 ships/modules.

But most of people I know including my self buy some part of the production chain from market with buy orders.

You just have to do the math and check which option nets you the most profit.

Shazard
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Posted - 2009.11.23 10:37:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Kaivos
There are people who do the whole chain from raw materials to T2 ships/modules.

But most of people I know including my self buy some part of the production chain from market with buy orders.

You just have to do the math and check which option nets you the most profit.


Kaivos, could you tell what you produce, what buy yourself and what is your profit... ???

Basically question is... I have several roads to go for ISK
For now my basic ISK income is IV missions and some low-sec ratting. Sometimes I get lucky with Magnetometric/Radar site exploration. Today I stand in crossroads where one path leads to Invetnion/T2 ship production, other - DED/Cosmos Complexes... Whihc road makes bigger profit!

Heire
Fire Mandrill
Posted - 2009.11.23 11:09:00 - [4]
 

What is it with people asking if T2 production is profitable.
Do the math and you'll see it.

You can do anything and it all depends on math and how you buy your stuff.
Get an excell sheet gather information from some ME calculator and there you have your needed materials.
Go to your hub and check the price of those materials, sum them up and you have your build price.
Now see for what you can sell and there is your profit.

We cannot do the math for you, you have to do the math yourself. Everyone that is doing something is not going to give you the result while they have invested so much time in finding it out themself. What would you expect ...

People wouldn't be doing T2 production if it wasn't profitable after all. It all depends how will you build it and how much profit do you want, will you build it by just buying the T2 bpc materials then you have a profit or do you start it up by starting from moon materials and so up. All depends in how far will you go ...

You always have to start with an investment cost, the profit comes in the future.

Rob Helle
Amarr
Posted - 2009.11.23 11:27:00 - [5]
 

Use the sticky at the top of this forum.ugh

A good one is http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=743617

This will calculate the profitability of your T2 stuff. You can also argue that mining and producing your own sub components is part of the profit/loss as at any time it might be better to sell the raw materials rather than make T2 items.

Avalon Champion
Black Thorne Corporation
Posted - 2009.11.23 11:50:00 - [6]
 

Quote:

Kaivos, could you tell what you produce, what buy yourself and what is your profit... ???



No one will give that information away, you need to work it out for yourself, unfortuantely.

Quote:

Basically question is... I have several roads to go for ISK
For now my basic ISK income is IV missions and some low-sec ratting. Sometimes I get lucky with Magnetometric/Radar site exploration. Today I stand in crossroads where one path leads to Invetnion/T2 ship production, other - DED/Cosmos Complexes... Whihc road makes bigger profit!


Basically invention/manufacturing takes about 2 hours a week in setting up the jobs (depending on what you're inventing), delivering them so theres no reason to give up on the other parts of eve, as they will give you a steady income.

I invent and build T2 ships and mods, with mods i keep about 1 in 5 of every production run, with ships (depending on hull) its about 1 in 10.


Elvid Tanz
Posted - 2009.11.23 11:52:00 - [7]
 

From your question, it sounds like you are counting the invented BPC as part of your profit since you plan to use datacores you acquired via exploration. That is fine, but just remember, you may end up with more isk if you just sell the datacores. With all production, and particularly T2 you really need to do the math.

Shazard
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Posted - 2009.11.23 12:12:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Shazard on 23/11/2009 13:11:08
Originally by: Elvid Tanz
From your question, it sounds like you are counting the invented BPC as part of your profit since you plan to use datacores you acquired via exploration. That is fine, but just remember, you may end up with more isk if you just sell the datacores. With all production, and particularly T2 you really need to do the math.


Ok I did the math... nice profits comming :)

Yeeee... T2 production, I am coming!

MightyRhinox
Minmatar
Rhinox Heavy Industries
Twilight Military Industrial Complex Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.23 19:39:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Shazard
as I don't have T2 component BPOs


There are a few traders who sell researched T2 Component BPO packs, definitely invest in a set.

Professor Jinmei
Posted - 2009.11.24 07:06:00 - [10]
 

1. T2 Invention & production take time so you can go plexing while waiting for the jobs to finish.

2. BPC
If you don't have your own POS lab, you will either have to wait extremely long que for free copy slots in stations or buy from contracts.

You may also want to have a look at this thread
The mystery of perfect ME, PE


Shazard
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Posted - 2009.11.24 09:43:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Professor Jinmei
1. T2 Invention & production take time so you can go plexing while waiting for the jobs to finish.

2. BPC
If you don't have your own POS lab, you will either have to wait extremely long que for free copy slots in stations or buy from contracts.

You may also want to have a look at this thread
The mystery of perfect ME, PE




That all is covered
1. I havae corp labs available
2. I have Prod Efficiencity V
3. I plan one time investment in Gallente Ship Interface and Component BPOs. In case if I can't make it, I have friends who can provide me with BPCs for components.

Ok ok I understand that without one first time 100m investment I am no go, but tha's why I was making my 100m doing those IV missions... But after that, when all the stage is set... that will be nice fun I guess... including that I plan support my invention by Radar Site exploration... And more fun for all this is the fact that I am living in low-sec also being high-sec-standing pilot!

TheBlueMonkey
Gallente
Fags R Us
Posted - 2009.11.25 09:58:00 - [12]
 

I'll sell you what I know for 500mil :)

Zifrian
Deep Space Innovations
Posted - 2009.11.26 03:59:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Shazard
Oookey... in general I have all the skills to do invention stuff.

Question is, if I want to do my own T2 production, then what is potential profit, if I do invention myself, but everything else I buy from market?

I want to go with T2 frig/cruiser production. I understand that that interface investment is one time investment, say I spend my 40m to buy that investment, that's ok. Now I get datacores from hack sites, R&D agents... no problem.

I do my invention and get that nice Ishkur BPC... Now... If I buy all the needed stuff for Ishkur production from market, what would be my profit in %... How much of T2 ship price the inventent BPC covers?

I am asking because I want to understand if I invest into additional skills for production (I have prod efficency V allready) and go make those ships... Or normal ppl do full cycle of production, buying only some fraction of stuff from market?

What is normal T2 producer profession like? Coz few friends who do the stuff, does mining and T2 component production for themselves, I can't do mining and T2 component production... as I don't have T2 component BPOs


You can do all production if you want but getting moon materials to make T2 components is something done from moon mining, which most solo people do not have access to. As far as profit, no one is going to tell you that. Not because they are being jerks, but because there is so much to a question like that and no one is going to take the time to do something for you that everyone else has to do for themselves. It's a good reason for you to do it yourself too.

A note on your data cores, if you expect to get the cores you need from exploration, you are going to be in for a disappointment. You are talking as if they are free too. They aren't. You spent time to find them and they have a market value, all what should be included in your profit calculations.

As far as investment, you should start out small and figure out if you want to go further. It's not cheap.


 

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