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Souverainiste
Corsairs Inc.
Waterboard
Posted - 2009.11.21 09:57:00 - [1]
 

Hi,

First of all, I love eve and will continue playing.

BUT, I saw some videos or STO, and I might consider migrating to it. Fact is, there is much more to do (walk in ships, stations, walk and do quests on the surface of many planets), more races, just more stuff to do.

It might be time for CCP to stop laughting at us and give us what we want to add something new. Let us walk in stations, have missions to do inside the said stations (like in mass effect). If STO really gives all those new things, why can't CCP upload it all?

If you don't make a move NOW, I predict you will lose a ton of players that are still playing but dont really know what they could do as they tried everything this game has to offer. Don't let all these players go! New stuff, more players.

Best regards,
Souv.

Jack bubu
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:04:00 - [2]
 

Check out the "feature" list of STO and then come here and post again...

that game is all about PVE and carebearing, no thanks.

Some Advisor
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:07:00 - [3]
 

while you enjoy your first couple days (alright its new and such) can i hold your stuff?

you will get most of it back except parts of your isk :)

EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:15:00 - [4]
 

Have you seen the graphics of STonline? Its kiddy eve. I looked forward to seeing this 2 years ago, but then then changed developer and it became awful looking.

I predict that nothing will change. Eve > all other MMO's. Its just not easy like other MMOs

Melthariumin
Gallente
Tactical Reconnaissance
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:15:00 - [5]
 

Who is "we" exactly?
Cant remember telling you what i want to happen in EVE.

STO is some kind of WoW in space. They will attract all sorts of trekkies anyway, but EVE and STO are different types of games. Its sandbox vs scriptageddon, one server vs multitudes of instances like in champions online.

Souverainiste
Corsairs Inc.
Waterboard
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:20:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Souverainiste on 21/11/2009 10:22:33
Talking about graphics, when I first saw WoW, I wondered who would play a game with such ugly cartoon graphics, and guess what, many millions of people are playing it... Star Trek fans will surely play it day after day. The fact is , the technology exists to do it all. If STO can devellop it, why can't CCP? You will tell me it's still in a kind of test phase, but still. New things to do would be nice.

I went to 0.0, yeah ok pvp is cool and all, but go back to empire and do what? The same missions day after day. I would like to have more options than just the same 15-20 good ol' missions.

Edit: They want to have one big universe like eve.

Wet Ferret
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:25:00 - [7]
 

I was interested til two months of BS in CO. If Cryptic's support of STO is as awful as Champions... heh, let's just say I'm just not looking forward to it at all anymore.

However I have a slim hope that CCP will improve their UI to maybe come within a few light years of the user-friendliness of just about every other game out there. But who am I kidding? Laughing

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:28:00 - [8]
 

The biggest threat is, that they take the new players who would have otherwise come to EVE. The biggest benefit is, that they will also bring a lot of new players to sci-fi MMOs, that aren't interested in them at the moment. Old players aren't that likely to move in masse. Some will, but STO is as far from EVE as a game can be. It is WOW is space in every regard and has no appeal to many of us.

New stuff is always welcome though, but there is no point in rushing it, since if it doesn't work properly, your product will just seem inferior in comparison and ruin the game for existing players too.

Zaiyo Modi
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:36:00 - [9]
 

Bah, STO doesn't look that good to me.

They have these spaceships with round dishes, yet the polygon models seem abit coarse imo.

Souverainiste
Corsairs Inc.
Waterboard
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:36:00 - [10]
 

Include it on the test server, massive test = massive feedback. But like I said, this in in space & I heard so many people whinning about how long it takes to get a god ship (Grinding exp is not my style), THEY will rush there. If CCP can devellop new features that will attract more persons in the game (like I said, walking in stations can bring a lot of new players, since you can make a ''completely new game'' out of it).

I might be wrong, but I strongly believe we should add new features to keep some older players that will be looking for new stuff.

I know it is not exactly the same thing, but remains a space game.

Zartanic
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:37:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Zartanic on 21/11/2009 10:42:11
Edited by: Zartanic on 21/11/2009 10:40:14

Originally by: Souverainiste
Edited by: Souverainiste on 21/11/2009 10:22:33
Talking about graphics, when I first saw WoW, I wondered who would play a game with such ugly cartoon graphics, and guess what, many millions of people are playing it... Star Trek fans will surely play it day after day. The fact is , the technology exists to do it all. If STO can devellop it, why can't CCP? You will tell me it's still in a kind of test phase, but still. New things to do would be nice.

I went to 0.0, yeah ok pvp is cool and all, but go back to empire and do what? The same missions day after day. I would like to have more options than just the same 15-20 good ol' missions.

Edit: They want to have one big universe like eve.


EVE is not a PVE game. In fact it sucks as a PVE game (the NPC mechanics are very basic and grouping is discouraged. There is no twitch play and the UI precludes anything too complex). STO is aiming for a totally different type of player, the more casual type who would play WOW. The only similarity with EVE is that it's in space. They may attract the more hard core PVE players (like I was) but from what I have seen its intended to be very easy at all levels, as WOW became since the last expansion. This will put off most if not all EVE players eventually as it will be an empty experience for them.

EDIT: What puts many players off EVE and attracts many of us, the complexity of EVE and its death penalty, will not happen in STO.

Creed Demastikus
House of Demastikus
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:40:00 - [12]
 

heh.. most of the current eve players didnt saw whats eve looks like at its starting days..
sto may gather enough players to be threat to eve or may not.. but the truth is a lot of "rival" game coming.. and what eve devs doin ? killing 0.0.. giving false promises like encarna or whatever 3 years ago "at 2008 u can walk in stations" etc.. soo its realy not lookin good for eve /look Dustie 84357839 ? ha.. go for consolers... they already gaveup on us...

Souverainiste
Corsairs Inc.
Waterboard
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:41:00 - [13]
 

Like it or not, many guys out there dont like PvP (still cant understand but oh well), they prefer chatting with people while fleeting up with friends killing npcs. I must admit sleepers are nice, but this unique PVE experience comes with risks of encountering pirates hanging in wormholes. Agant offering REAL challenge could be added, but oh well.

Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:44:00 - [14]
 

Wait, I thought it was Jumpgate Evolution that was going to kill EVE?

There are people who like the harsh EVE world and those who don't. STO will merely take players who wouldn't really enjoy EVE all that much.

You never know. It'd be cool if you could do research/exploration missions and have content thats not generic fighting (Diplomacy/Negotiation, alien girls, seeing 4 lights, etc etc)

Zartanic
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:45:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Souverainiste
Like it or not, many guys out there dont like PvP (still cant understand but oh well), they prefer chatting with people while fleeting up with friends killing npcs. I must admit sleepers are nice, but this unique PVE experience comes with risks of encountering pirates hanging in wormholes. Agant offering REAL challenge could be added, but oh well.


From the few things I've seen posted by Devs their mindset is very much in the PVP mould. They like it that EVE NPC's are basic and they dislike PVE players, they just see them as a necessary evil. They call nul sec 'end game' despite it not being end game at all for most players. I do not see any improvement for PVE at all in EVE which is not an issue as its not sold as a PVE game and the various aspects of PVP (not just ship fights) is what defines the game.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:52:00 - [16]
 

But they ARE giving us new stuff! For example DUST514 ... oh wait Razz


Yeah, pretty lame to see how CCP adds tons and tons of totally unfinished 'features' which are then left abandoned for years if not for ever.


Instead they should stop doing that and FIX and IMPROVE the existing stuff!!!

Suas
Perkone
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:52:00 - [17]
 

Posting in a cleverly hidden "EVE is dying" thread

Souverainiste
Corsairs Inc.
Waterboard
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:53:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Zartanic
From the few things I've seen posted by Devs their mindset is very much in the PVP mould. They like it that EVE NPC's are basic and they dislike PVE players, they just see them as a necessary evil. They call nul sec 'end game' despite it not being end game at all for most players. I do not see any improvement for PVE at all in EVE which is not an issue as its not sold as a PVE game and the various aspects of PVP (not just ship fights) is what defines the game.


I understand what you are saying but PVE players are earning them good money, would hurt their bank account if they were to lose them.

ITTigerClawIK
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:53:00 - [19]
 

i was sort of looking foward to trying out STO as i am a bit of a trekie and when it was announced and i saw the screenies of the first itirations of it i was quite amazed and was somewhat hyped for the game, then cryptic studios took it, sc****d all the previous work and started agian, then i listened in on the first live dev blog.

needless to say after the first dev blog it became clear that the initial ideas for it had been scrapped and had been replaced with a WOW in space approch, sad thign was being april fools the day after cryptic decided to put up a joke home page and made it look like they made it into hello kitty in space with star trek chibbies, scary thing was after listening to the dev blog the night before, it looked exactly like what they were planning to do with it, so yea EVE has got NOTHING to fear from that large turd of a game least not since cryptic took over anyhow :-P

Souverainiste
Corsairs Inc.
Waterboard
Posted - 2009.11.21 10:59:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Suas
Posting in a cleverly hidden "EVE is dying" thread


My point is that CCP should be giving us what they are announcing for 2 years instead of just hoping we forget.

My fear is that many players will leave because STO will offer many more choices.

I just believe CCP should release new content to keep the old players here with us. Eve is too complex to be let down.

Suas
Perkone
Posted - 2009.11.21 11:04:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Souverainiste
Originally by: Suas
Posting in a cleverly hidden "EVE is dying" thread


My point is that CCP should be giving us what they are announcing for 2 years instead of just hoping we forget.

My fear is that many players will leave because STO will offer many more choices.

I just believe CCP should release new content to keep the old players here with us. Eve is too complex to be let down.


They are releasing new content. They are doing just fine.

Many people don't give a rats ass about WiS (myself included). Feel free to go give reacharounds to Trekkies in STO.

ITTigerClawIK
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
Posted - 2009.11.21 11:05:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Souverainiste
Originally by: Suas
Posting in a cleverly hidden "EVE is dying" thread


My point is that CCP should be giving us what they are announcing for 2 years instead of just hoping we forget.

My fear is that many players will leave because STO will offer many more choices.

I just believe CCP should release new content to keep the old players here with us. Eve is too complex to be let down.


seriusly dude i have read the blogs on it and ground combat is pretty much the same as every other game, you will click on your target and watch the two beat the **** outta each other, cept without swords and such and dont get me started with the whole "designated area for PvP" and the worst part "consensual duels" or it could have been the fact that you have to UNLOCK yes i said UNLOCK the one and only other faction other than the federation, i mean can you get any more lame than that?

CCP Navigator


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.21 11:10:00 - [23]
 

Moved from General Discussion

ITTigerClawIK
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
Posted - 2009.11.21 11:12:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Moved from General Discussion


features and ideas? i honestly dont see how this fits into that area to me, looke dmore like a general disscusion on EVE vs STO, a game that hasnt even come out yet lol

Brolly
Caldari
5ER3NITY INC
Posted - 2009.11.21 11:17:00 - [25]
 

Yes, both games are MMO's and based in the future and space, but what people seem to be missing is that they are 2 completely different games.

Eve fans will never leave eve, they make take a holiday once in a while, but no other MMO is remotely the same and never will be.

There are a myriad of generic 3rd person avatar games based around the same mechanics, fortunately eve is not one of those.


Souverainiste
Corsairs Inc.
Waterboard
Posted - 2009.11.21 11:19:00 - [26]
 

Ok this is a joke right? Ideas?!

Oh wow...

Vain Eldritch
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2009.11.21 12:22:00 - [27]
 

STO seems pretty generic. Perhaps the procedurally generated exploration content with their "Genesis system" will be worth a look, but from the information available thus far STO is nowhere near sandbox like EVE.

I'll likely try it, but no way can it replace EVE unless it gets far more gritty - as another poster pointed out, the graphics telegraph "cartoon".

Let's see what it's like after release.

Ttochpej
Posted - 2009.11.21 12:30:00 - [28]
 

I am a Star Trek fan and have been watching them slowly develop STO and think it sound horrible so far compared to eve. When they bring it out I might try a free trial version of it but don't think I would want to pay for it, and my main hope for it now is that I will be able to meet some people and tell them about eve, and convince them to play eve instead of STO, if STO is as bad as it seam maybe we'll just get more players and have a big Eve Trek Alliance pop up. Instead of the drop in numbers everyone is expecting.

Darriele
Minmatar
THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY
Posted - 2009.11.21 12:43:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Darriele on 21/11/2009 12:48:13
Originally by: ITTigerClawIK
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Moved from General Discussion


features and ideas? i honestly dont see how this fits into that area to me, looke dmore like a general disscusion on EVE vs STO, a game that hasnt even come out yet lol


Neah, forgive him, he had way too many beers last night and much more this morning.

This is already interesting, a perfect thread for General Discussion section moved to another section that has nothing to do with it. Because of ?! wrong button?! Bacchus?

To be ontopic, new mmo's needs a friendly face and a "carebear" base to start off, to be honest, I'm still amazed that EVE-O is still alive (I don't need to bring arguments why), probably we are way to masochists.

Ryusoath Orillian
INDUSTIENCE
Posted - 2009.11.21 12:44:00 - [30]
 

sto is yet another pve mmo that will no doubt have risk free win-win pvp tacked on at some point.

i urge you op, to migrate to it, you don't seem to get this game at all.


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