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Niraia
Seekers of a Silent Paradise

Posted - 2009.11.21 17:43:00 - [91]
 

You want to discuss moderation? Isn't that against the ******ed forum rules or something?

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2009.11.21 19:35:00 - [92]
 

Not supported!

If you want to be taken serious, choose your words accordingly. If you can't, you'd better stop playing this game and relieve this community from yourself. Your time is better spend in school, where you could learn all those non-insulting words, which would allow you to formulate your issue in a mature manner.

To be honest: if I had something to say in CCP, I'd not only kill those messages, but terminate their accounts and happily pay them back any outstanding subscription fee, just to get rid off these kindergarten kids.

It's a shame for everyone who is seriously articulating a very valid critic, but gets buried beneath mountains of swear words. ugh

Seriously, guys. Grow up!

Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
POD-SQUAD
Posted - 2009.11.21 21:14:00 - [93]
 

I would agree to this if i would see no trolls or simply ******ed posts. However, more then half the topicks here have been rased many times, (this shows need to include simple function into eve search- look for topick name), another half of the topicks are trolls, and another quester is simply stupid. I am all for moderation, within certain limits, maybe CCp did step over the line a bit, but with so many people FU**ing around and trolling and simply being DUM and selfish, i am not surprised. No support.

El Liptonez
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2009.11.21 21:35:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Not supported!

If you want to be taken serious, choose your words accordingly. If you can't, you'd better stop playing this game and relieve this community from yourself. Your time is better spend in school, where you could learn all those non-insulting words, which would allow you to formulate your issue in a mature manner.

To be honest: if I had something to say in CCP, I'd not only kill those messages, but terminate their accounts and happily pay them back any outstanding subscription fee, just to get rid off these kindergarten kids.

It's a shame for everyone who is seriously articulating a very valid critic, but gets buried beneath mountains of swear words. ugh

Seriously, guys. Grow up!


Chinese government alt detected.

SupaKudoRio
Posted - 2009.11.21 21:41:00 - [95]
 


Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Posted - 2009.11.21 23:23:00 - [96]
 

I've been away these last few days so I haven't been able to follow the evolution of the threads that are likely responsible for the creation of this one, but if CCP really have finally gone for zero-tolerance as far as rubbish forum posts are concerned, then I heartily applaud them.

Contrary to popular belief, it is actually possible to post negative feedback constructively, i.e. without the use of memes that weren't even funny to begin with, without personal attacks on the devs (they, like the rest of us, are human beings), and without trolling in general.

All people need to do is just post within the rules of the forum, and there would be no issue.

Completely unsupported.

/Ben

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2009.11.21 23:26:00 - [97]
 

Or they could do what I suggested since the news of the CSM came out - spend that money on a public relation dude that learn/help CCP to communicate with their customers.

CSM is a farse, the recent moderation as well.

Klyria
Minmatar
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2009.11.22 01:13:00 - [98]
 


Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2009.11.22 02:12:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: El Liptonez

Chinese government alt detected.


So, you're basically saying that you're one of those guys who doesn't know the difference between freedom of speech and personal insults? Roger, got that.

Ah, wait, I see, it's "teh intarwebs", rules are different here. Oh well, never mind ... Rolling Eyes

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2009.11.22 05:00:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Originally by: El Liptonez

Chinese government alt detected.


So, you're basically saying that you're one of those guys who doesn't know the difference between freedom of speech and personal insults? Roger, got that.

Ah, wait, I see, it's "teh intarwebs", rules are different here. Oh well, never mind ... Rolling Eyes


The "chinese government alt" was just demostrating the attitude that becomes more prevalent under over-moderation.

The users start to act more like moderators whenever a thread isn't removed instantly,
turning themselves into a social police-force making sure no one settles who doesn't already
agree with the established community groupthink.


Caldreean
Dawnwalkers

Posted - 2009.11.22 06:21:00 - [101]
 

Sadly I'm guessing a lot of people here all happy about the deleted posts don't realize just how many of them were not trolling, swearing, or otherwise obnoxious, and contained solid ideas with real data backing them up. Yeah some troll posts were deleted, but unlike is usually the case, this time they were the in the minority.

HTFU CCP.

Peryner
University of Caille

Posted - 2009.11.22 11:16:00 - [102]
 

Edited by: Peryner on 22/11/2009 11:21:17
I know how to get the crowd under control! we'll shoot the loudest people!

-mothermoon is seriously ****ed

edit:for the record I'm in SUPPORTof the changes made in that dev blog.

So it's not just the people that disagree that think this mass deletion is wrong.

Evil or Very Mad

Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Not supported!




dude, in the past they would simple edit the post, and add a reason, like "don't quote without content", or "please keep your posts constructive".

and it worked, no one got mad.

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2009.11.22 12:14:00 - [103]
 

While noise and emorage is high, censorship is not the solution.

Lrrp
Minmatar
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.22 14:12:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: Lrrp on 22/11/2009 14:12:57
Putting on my tinfoil hat, based on the amount of the posts deleted, one has to wonder if the flensing of the boards is due to potential investors reading the forums as part of their review process.

Oscardoodle
Amarr
Posted - 2009.11.22 15:03:00 - [105]
 

/supported.

Reading viewpoints from all sides of a discussion is important to me. Since i'm currently waiting to see just what Dominion does before resubbing this account (already closed my other 2 out of sheer frustration), I want to see what others think and feel about these issues i too am having.

If they are deleted before i get a chance to read them...Neutral

Nian Banks
Minmatar
Berserkers of Aesir
Posted - 2009.11.22 15:42:00 - [106]
 

Deleting posts is the first sign of a company in trouble and trying to hide the fact.
I have seen several MMO's that started to delete threads, they all slid into obscurity, having their servers reduced.

People don't appreciate having such tactics been used in a public forum such as this, it is terrible for public relations. In fact I wonder if the CCP headquartemrs is filled with neo natzis. Hrm hail ****** you scum assed islanders? :) I will insult you any time I please, why? Because it's only ever in response to your own disgusting actions and I can't express myself with my fists, too damned far away.

Ebanni
Ebanni Mercantile
Posted - 2009.11.22 18:17:00 - [107]
 

I especially dislike the overly aggressive word filtering that picks up those words that contain syllables that might otherwise be considered profane if used as a separate and all too familiar obscenity.

OBSCENITY... as in a certain recent VIDEO featuring just about every employee in CCP enthusiastically f-bombing without restraint.

Hell (did that get censored?) I loved the video. It was cool. Sure, let's just exercise some tolerance and call that liberal usage of everyone's fave F-bomb and applaud the "artistic license". I'll agree 100%.

But let's see CCP grow a pair, apologize and drop this hypocrisy right now with all this heavy-handed censorship.

Cheers.

Succubine
Caldari
Succubine Dynasty Technologies
Posted - 2009.11.22 18:52:00 - [108]
 

No Support.

CCP should serve out mass temporary forum bans for all the little children so they can take a time-out.

The exaggerated whining in recent dev threads was fun and satisfying to see at first, but then it just turned into boring rant spam. People need to cry more creatively.

Oh, and ban the OP for poor judgment.

Alaria Tinburin
Posted - 2009.11.22 22:06:00 - [109]
 


Shuckstar
Gallente
Hauling hogs
Swine Aviation Labs
Posted - 2009.11.23 00:10:00 - [110]
 


Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2009.11.23 07:52:00 - [111]
 

LOL! Original Post:"**** yeah! <-- I wonder if the <paraphrased>partakers in cetacean intercourse</paraphrased> in Icleand will censor this? Very Happy"

They did. Deleted.

Granted, it was a provocation, but the sad fact is that the devs don't listen to the players unless they want to and the forum mods, well, if they actually followed their own rules and controlled trolling and abuse, the forums would probably be mostly empty.

The real problem with the forums and eve: Eve's marketing hypes how Eve is such a hard, cruel, cold game, where scamming, theft etc is all allowed and then they get surprised when the same players do the very same thing in the forums. Grow up!

Komi Toran
Posted - 2009.11.23 08:18:00 - [112]
 

no opinion as I have no idea what is prompting this, but some observations:

For those screaming "censorship": CCP is a private entity, and this forum is their property. Posting here is, therefore, a privilege, not a right, as it is CCP that holds the right to determine what messages are transmitted through their property, not you. CCP is not using the tools of violence to silence you. They are not Communist China. Your freedom of speech is not an issue here.

For those who are willing to give CCP a pass given the above: While CCP does have the right to delete whatever the heck they want, it doesn't mean that they aren't being jerks by doing so. Freedom means freedom to choose poorly, and CCP may be choosing poorly here.

So, having pretended to be wise and intelligent by telling both sides in an argument I know nothing about that they are both wrong, I shall depart!

Zargyl
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.23 12:07:00 - [113]
 

supported

Tozmeister
Digital Fury Corporation

Posted - 2009.11.23 12:44:00 - [114]
 


Boris Borison
Caldari
Evolution Rising

Posted - 2009.11.23 20:00:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Removing flaming and inappropriate content or editing is fine, but they shouldn't be substituted by waves of deletion. It is just bad moderation and creates unnecessary hostility against CCP.

Typhado3
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.11.25 04:07:00 - [116]
 

Removing swear words etc. is good but outwrite deleting peoples opinions is wrong.

Even if after removing all the personal attacks all that's left is a "this idea sucks" that's still someones opinion and it shouldn't be outrwrite deleted.

Deleting a post that contains only someone opinion saying that it's "not constructive" basically means you don't want our opinions.

Hilder
Amarr
G.E.A.R.
Posted - 2009.11.25 12:19:00 - [117]
 

a thousand times Yes!

Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2009.11.25 18:20:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Not supported!

If you want to be taken serious, choose your words accordingly. If you can't, you'd better stop playing this game and relieve this community from yourself. Your time is better spend in school, where you could learn all those non-insulting words, which would allow you to formulate your issue in a mature manner.

To be honest: if I had something to say in CCP, I'd not only kill those messages, but terminate their accounts and happily pay them back any outstanding subscription fee, just to get rid off these kindergarten kids.

It's a shame for everyone who is seriously articulating a very valid critic, but gets buried beneath mountains of swear words. ugh

Seriously, guys. Grow up!


Not taking you seriously.

Bfoster
Appetite 4 Destruction
Posted - 2009.11.25 19:23:00 - [119]
 

Its almost like the GM's moderate the forum too.. Its that bad!

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2009.11.25 23:44:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Komi Toran
no opinion as I have no idea what is prompting this, but some observations:

For those screaming "censorship": CCP is a private entity, and this forum is their property. Posting here is, therefore, a privilege, not a right



CCP has the right to have no customers also.


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