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Meno Theaetetus
Wildly Inappropriate
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:25:00 - [241]
 

I wish CCP was as quick to make good on its promises as it is to back out of them. At this rate by the time we get ambulations were going to be living in space anyway. What a waste of 2-3 months of development.

Halaxi
Caldari
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:25:00 - [242]
 

Originally by: CCP Nozh
I accidently the whole mothership idea....


So many good ideas from the player base and CCP themselves, then so much nerfdom...

Good job this ISK has went on spiced wine and hookers.

Hal.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:25:00 - [243]
 

Edited by: Pohbis on 20/11/2009 00:30:13
Okay, since you deleted my post. Let me phrase it in another way;

CCP, what version of target painters will allow me to target paint sieged dreads, motherships and structures?

And can we please get a nice graph showing the DPS of all XL/Citadel weapon systems on moving targets?

Gallente Citizen 345632
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:25:00 - [244]
 


Sally Bestonge
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:26:00 - [245]
 

hi my post was deleted

I think these reversions are terrible and that whoever came up with them has played the game even less than I Shocked

convince me why I should keep paying to play

Makenshi Drakonnen
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:26:00 - [246]
 

Seriously, I may not be a capital pilot but even I could tell the S-C changes were good, if you want more time to get everything you announced for the expansion to be done then simply push back the release date, don't just undo 6 months of work just because you have a different view of how things should be done than the guy who has active experience in flying and losing super capital ships. I'd love to know how Abathur let you get away with ruining the work he put into the new S-Cs.

FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME.

Slapdash McGinty
Pronger Physics Research Dept.
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:27:00 - [247]
 

Edited by: Slapdash McGinty on 20/11/2009 00:27:12
Originally by: Katsura Kotonoha
Don't listen to these ass hats Nozh, you are doing the right thing.


PPS make target painters effect everything so we no longer have to hear "phoenix pilots, shoot the tower"
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e: almost forgot li'l dude

Minto Took
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:27:00 - [248]
 


Crammed Full
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:27:00 - [249]
 

Seriously, guys, all of 0.0 has united against you in this. I know you guys sit around at the office like "Who cares, really? I mean if all of 0.0 stopped playing we'd still get plenty of money. It's all the carebears in highsec that get us paid anyway." But it's not the guys running missions 23x7 that get you new customers.

If you're going to screw with the ships that only get to be used in 0.0 you should probably listen to the people who have actually used them and not some poor noobie dev that didn't realize what he just walked into.

Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:27:00 - [250]
 

Originally by: Pohbis
Okay, since you deleted my post. Let me phrase it in another way;

CCP, what version of target painters will allow me to target paint sieged dreads, motherships and structures?


Damn son, you can't just come out and ask non-constructive questions like that.

FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME.

Ban CCP Nozh (and stucks)

Rex Hargrove
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:27:00 - [251]
 

Edited by: Rex Hargrove on 20/11/2009 00:28:37
Quote:

You guys are assuming that everywhere mother ships go there will be 10 titans ready to ambush them but that's simply not true. Titans are now even more vulnerable to subcapital ships than they were before so people will be even more weary to deploy them since the old doomsday is gone.


Meh, maybe you've never seen quick hot drops on a JF? Your MS could be the next to jump into a system with a cloaked hictor, 2 titans jump in, nuke 18bil isk, and then warp to a SS, cloak, and then cyno out once they have the cap. It's not like people have a 50man gang ready at all times.

Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:28:00 - [252]
 

Ok, some numbers from sisi.

AC: 20+19.2
Pulse: 32+5, +10% dps
Blaster: 24+8.8, +21% dps

| Weapon  | Short     | Medium    | Long      |
|---------+-----------+-----------+-----------|
| AC | 12.5 + 24 | 25 + 24 | 40 + 24 |
| Pulse | 20 + 6.25 | 40 + 6.25 | 64 + 6.25 |
| Blaster | 15 + 11 | 30 + 11 | 48 + 11 |


Conclusion: ACs suck. Lowest dps, crap range, and the falloff doesn't really make up for it as pulses can quickly swap to longer-range ammo and still do more dps.

Arti: 72+70
Rail: 96+24.5, +8% dps
Beam: 72+22.4, +19% dps

Again, arties do least damage, worst range, and they can possibly balance it out if you lose a lot of dps and go to deep falloff.

Now. We're talking about dreads here. Imagine the FC. "Drop the cyno so we can jump in in deep falloff" - yeah, right. Btw, 30% optimal range bonus on a Moros means it can hit with rails to lock range max.

Now. To compensate for the slight drawbacks above, the Naglfar is switched back to a split weapon bonus so it can't get as much of a dps boost as the other dreads from damage mods.

Are you serious?

1) Short-range XL weapons should have pulses with lowest dps, longest range, lowest tracking; blasters highest dps, shortest range, best tracking; and ACs medium dps, medium range (similar optimal as blasters, but very large falloff), and medium tracking.

Long-range XL weapons should have beams with shortest range, best dps, best tracking; rails with longest range, lowest dps, lowest tracking; and artillery with medium range (but can hit far out thanks to falloff), medium dps, and medium tracking.

2) If the 7.5/7.5 dual projectile bonus was too strong with the new XL projectiles - which is quite possible - how about you reduce them to 5/5 and adjust more from there? Too easy?

srsly...

Aqua Tarkus
ZER0.
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:28:00 - [253]
 

Originally by: Pohbis
Okay, since you deleted my post. Let me phrase it in another way;

CCP, what version of target painters will allow me to target paint sieged dreads, motherships and structures?


Don't you know? Nozh's modified target painter.

WrathOfOprah
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:28:00 - [254]
 

WTF is up with this 11th hour crap. The changes were fine.

William Caldon
Caldari
Golden Cross Enterprises
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:29:00 - [255]
 

Originally by: Minto Took
Originally by: William Caldon
Edited by: William Caldon on 20/11/2009 00:22:21
Because allowing Goonswarm, -A-, SYSCHAOS (w/e it is..), and all the other egotistical jerks continue to post S*** is the right thing to do.

Your so cute. (all the goonies)


Also, someone is mad his favorite mission hub isn't getting buffed.


*snorts milk out his nose*

whahahahahahahahahahahahah.

As if my nissiom buh need buffed. Seriously, your all egos that assume that anyone that doesn't agree with you is a high-sec-carebear.

Sevani
H A V O C
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:29:00 - [256]
 

My excitement has diminished considerably since the initial goals of Dominion were released. Basically this sucks. I expected something awesome like space harpoons and faction bpcs for structures you depoly in your system in beef it up. Instead we (initially) got fed ridiculous sov bills. Ohhh that's so much fun. I have Quicken if I want to play Bill-Pay-Online. So that finally got unstucked enough so people don't quit. Now we have this. "We have this awesome expansion! It's just like the old version of the game but it has a new intro screen with ships you can't fly in it! Wha? Why is veryone leaving?"

I love Nozh's pretty graphs. Reminds me of a guy in my old corp (Tuna? Is that you?) who used to make the exact same graphs showing how uber whatever sniper fit he came up with was. Yet was always absent whenever actual fighting happened. It is obvious to many of us the disconnect between Nozh's graphs and reality of cap ship fights. I've lost three dreads so far, all at ranges under 10km and have been huge bump fests.

So please. . . Close excel and double click the icon on your desktop called eve-online.

ShadowandLight
Amarr
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:29:00 - [257]
 

Weak weak weak.

CCP has had months to get motherships redesigned to be useful, the bombers was a good step ( adding more space to transport combat ships is also needed )

Get on it CCP, throwing up a white flag is not the answer.

Hertford
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:29:00 - [258]
 

Originally by: Hatsumi Kobayashi
With the only welcome features being the removal of the AoE doomsday and the faction ship boost, i'm amazed you can even refer to Dominion as an expansion.


To be fair, having "Titans no longer have an area of effect Doomsday" in the patch notes and nothing else whatsoever would definitely be worthy of being called an expansion. DD's were a copulating stupid idea.

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:29:00 - [259]
 

Quote:
This means NO CHANGES WILL BE MADE TO MOTHERSHIPS IN DOMINION. Since they are part of the original rebalancing effort, the DEPLOYMENT OF FIGHTER BOMBERS WILL ALSO BE POSTPONED.

I suggest going forward with the latest changes. Simply make it so that uber carebears(sec status of 5.5 or higher, faction standing of 9.5 or higher) can purchase them and move them to highsec to run missions in.

WTB nyx that can dock and field 15 drones and move around in highsec for mission running.

Cuchulin
DEFCON.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:30:00 - [260]
 

* troll remark removed - CCP Ildoge

also and more on topic:
Motherships getting easily instapoppt by two titans (fyi there are things called double and triple dds atm in game that are very common.....) is more then a little flawed...

Cuchulin

Moon Kitten
GoonWaffe
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:30:00 - [261]
 

Originally by: Rex Hargrove
Edited by: Rex Hargrove on 20/11/2009 00:28:37
Quote:

You guys are assuming that everywhere mother ships go there will be 10 titans ready to ambush them but that's simply not true. Titans are now even more vulnerable to subcapital ships than they were before so people will be even more weary to deploy them since the old doomsday is gone.


Meh, maybe you've never seen quick hot drops on a JF? Your MS could be the next to jump into a system with a cloaked hictor, 2 titans jump in, nuke 18bil isk, and then warp to a SS, cloak, and then cyno out once they have the cap. It's not like people have a 50man gang ready at all times.

if you are not dumb you scout the system before you jump into it hope this helps

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:30:00 - [262]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
The playerbase tested the new motherships over several weeks on SiSi and found them good.

Some genius put you in charge of Abathur's good work, and now you've not only screwed up all the effort that went into testing those ships, now there's to be no improvement at all.

Where is your credibility on caps? Who are you? Have you fought in a supercapital, lost a supercapital on the field?

Is this the new CCP, or the old CCP rearing its terrible, incompetent head?



I can't believe I'm actually QFT-ing a Goon, but this sums it up perfectly.


Why the hell would you throw away Abathur's initial changes, changes that the players all agreed were a good idea?


Drop this lame excuse of "we can't finish it in time." The changes are done. Put them back where they belong, and put Nozh in charge of something that isn't PvP ship balance.

Saul Reaver
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:31:00 - [263]
 

Originally by: Sally Bestonge
hi my post was deleted

I think these reversions are terrible and that whoever came up with them has played the game even less than I Shocked

convince me why I should keep paying to play



Quoting this as i'm down with it. Also why do you keep deleting the posts of players you have annoyed once again? You should listen to the feelings of the playerbase instead of ignoring them.

Battle Tested
Shiva
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:31:00 - [264]
 

Originally by: Katsura Kotonoha
Don't listen to these ass hats Nozh, you are doing the right thing.

LMAO @ posting something that won't get deleted
P.S. quit kissing ass

Gergragda
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:31:00 - [265]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Please keep your replies on topic. Remember, posting something that is not constructive will be removed.


Disagreement should not be considered "not constructive"

Deleting posts, however, is not constructive.

You can have a discussion or you can censorship. They are mutually exclusive.

Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:31:00 - [266]
 

Supercapitals are immune to ewar, yet they can be neuted/nos'd. Why not painted?

Why can't structures be target painted?


CCP, you have a choice: fix your code to enable the above, or cut the explosion radius on all citadel missiles by 500m (at least).

And get a dev who actually knows what capitals do to manage capital development.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:32:00 - [267]
 

Originally by: Arkady Sadik
2) If the 7.5/7.5 dual projectile bonus was too strong with the new XL projectiles - which is quite possible - how about you reduce them to 5/5 and adjust more from there? Too easy?


CCP's school of thought about nerfing is something called "sledgehammer approach". Forget about fine-tuning, hitting something with a sledgehammer is the best way to nerf something.





and now I expect this to be deleted, heh.

R0ze
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:33:00 - [268]
 

Slightly more dps on a titan than a dread to "wreak havoc"? .. give me a break..

Toman Torax
Rage For Order
Nihil-Obstat
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:33:00 - [269]
 

Originally by: Toman Torax
I really just don't get it...

The changes proposed by Abathur were tested, and overall well accepted. Why did you feel the need to screw with that? You basically erased months worth of ideas, work and testing.

What was the point?

Now you're back to square one. Can we at least go back to Abathur's ideas, and discuss why you felt those changes wouldn't have worked - or better yet, USE THEM?

QUOTING MYSELF!

What, exactly, do you want in this thread, now? For all of us to hold hands and sing kumbaya, in ignorant bliss?

Abathur proposed some nice changes. They were pretty fair and balanced. We tested them. We approved. Then YOU GUYS basically turned around and said "ah screw you guys, we're gonna do THIS instead, and we don't care what you guys think!"

How the hell did you expect us to react?

And now, after you scrap all that hard work, and throw out some ridiculous changes by someone who OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME HE WORKS ON, and get extreme backlash over it, how the hell do you expect us to react NOW?

Serious question: are you guys REALLY this clueless?

Rex Hargrove
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:33:00 - [270]
 

Originally by: Moon Kitten
Originally by: Rex Hargrove
Edited by: Rex Hargrove on 20/11/2009 00:28:37
Quote:

You guys are assuming that everywhere mother ships go there will be 10 titans ready to ambush them but that's simply not true. Titans are now even more vulnerable to subcapital ships than they were before so people will be even more weary to deploy them since the old doomsday is gone.


Meh, maybe you've never seen quick hot drops on a JF? Your MS could be the next to jump into a system with a cloaked hictor, 2 titans jump in, nuke 18bil isk, and then warp to a SS, cloak, and then cyno out once they have the cap. It's not like people have a 50man gang ready at all times.

if you are not dumb you scout the system before you jump into it hope this helps


Fine, they catch you while you're repping a pos or station services at some crappy hour. Doesn't change the fact that you can lose billions of isks to less than 10 mouse clicks.


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