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CobraStylez
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:02:00 - [181]
 

Edited by: CobraStylez on 20/11/2009 00:04:27
r we going to see any comment from our dear Devs on any of these concerns?

Scelestus Vereor
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:03:00 - [182]
 

Wow. It's kind of surprising, really. After all the huge amounts of change promised for this expansion, in the end we get some new planets, a new IGB, and a new evemail client.

Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:04:00 - [183]
 

any word on the naglfar returning to prehistoric ****tyness?

White Aero
Burning Napalm
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:04:00 - [184]
 

Please don't remove my image. This is my interpritation of the new "supercarriers". How is this NOT constructive....

Image removed. Posting of images is not allowed. Zymurgist

AJ Regard
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:05:00 - [185]
 

I think it was a very good blog for numerous reasons.

The way they were headed with motherships was just silly.
The whole point as they said themselves was to define the class of each capital ship more, and making it an uber tanked capital killer just doesn't make any sense no matter how you look at it.
Realizing they ****ed it up this close to patch day, and starting over was the right decision, so kudos for doing it.

The way dreads are functioning now is also kinda ******ed.
Dropping a cap fleet (even without carriers) into battleship fight is pretty much instant win.
Out of siege dreads shoot bs's quite well.

With these changes that means dropping dreads in a bs fight wont matter squad.
Together with the removal of DD in its current form, this will make fleet fights more enjoyable imo, and open up ways for new tactics.

I am happy they changed the titans to 100% bonus damage only.
Having the changed DD and 200% on turrets would just be to insane if you dropped for example 5+ **** on a field.
Especially considering the increased ehp.

Sum up: stop whining, they ****ed up with the mom, the rest is fine, get over it!

Sertan Deras
Gallente
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:05:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Scelestus Vereor
Wow. It's kind of surprising, really. After all the huge amounts of change promised for this expansion, in the end we get some new planets, a new IGB, and a new evemail client.


And a new sov system that's not even remotely close to what they promised us and mostly reviled by actual nullsec entities, most of which feel they got a bait and switch.

Like I said earlier, I'm sure glad I cashed out on my capital character yesterday, before you posted this terrible blog. I got top dollar before capital pilots EVE wide realized you guys were going to screw up capital ships to the nth degree. Thanks for at least waiting a day to post this.

Vadinho
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:05:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: Roemy Schneider
any word on the naglfar returning to prehistoric ****tyness?
well the bad part is its split weapons bonuses are now worse than they were before it just had a turret bonus, but on the plus side, now you get to train three seperate weapon skills (large projectile, torpedoes, cruises) to five to be less effective than any other given dread

Aphrodite Whiterose
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:06:00 - [188]
 

God damnit CCP nearly everyone said the original mom changes were the best there was no need to change them back to how they are now. You have made them useful and then ruined them once again to the point they are a completely useless ship.

At least give them the HP buff ffs.

Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Frontier Venture
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:06:00 - [189]
 

*fake edit* Never mind, there is no point in defending CCP against you guys as you won't listen. I really hope all of you emo-rage-quit. It'll sure be nicer to read forums that don't contain so much hate and anger. Seriously, get over yourselves. Your not CCP, your not their Devs, I am happy they decided to postpone the changes even if I don't own one. While the original implementation may have been a "great idea" to you guys, obviously CCP found something that didn't fit right.

Oh and the "I am a paying customer" is so bullcrap. If you truly are, quit in defiance. There are a bunch of other MMOs out there, you don't have to stay. The obligatory: "Can I haz your stuffs?"

"You can be late a little while, but you can suck forever". Apparently CCP subscribes to this theory. You guys should too.

To CCP. Thank you for informing us of what your thoughts are behind the capital changes. Its a pity your not changing the MOM now, but I will be ever awaiting what you truly do change in the future. Just so you know, there are people that do care about quality and can wait for these changes. They will be awesome when you figure it out. As this expansion will prove to be.

--Isaac

marxist revolutionary
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:06:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: AJ Regard
I think it was a very good blog for numerous reasons.

The way they were headed with motherships was just silly.
The whole point as they said themselves was to define the class of each capital ship more, and making it an uber tanked capital killer just doesn't make any sense no matter how you look at it.
Realizing they ****ed it up this close to patch day, and starting over was the right decision, so kudos for doing it.

The way dreads are functioning now is also kinda ******ed.
Dropping a cap fleet (even without carriers) into battleship fight is pretty much instant win.
Out of siege dreads shoot bs's quite well.

With these changes that means dropping dreads in a bs fight wont matter squad.
Together with the removal of DD in its current form, this will make fleet fights more enjoyable imo, and open up ways for new tactics.

I am happy they changed the titans to 100% bonus damage only.
Having the changed DD and 200% on turrets would just be to insane if you dropped for example 5+ **** on a field.
Especially considering the increased ehp.

Sum up: stop whining, they ****ed up with the mom, the rest is fine, get over it!


I agree with noted intellectual and clear thinker AJ Regard

Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:07:00 - [191]
 

Originally by: AJ Regard
Sum up: stop whining, they ****ed up with the mom, the rest is fine, get over it!


If CCP hadn't deleted all of the initial posts, you'd know that we're COMPLAINING about the mom changes. I can understand why you'd think we were complainin about the whole blog but the whitewashing goahluahlauaulrualtrualaurlaulahualgualugalg

FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME.

Kesper North
Caldari
Gentlemen of Means
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:07:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
Oh, by the way, you talked about painters in your blog, Nozh. You may not know this, but you can't paint a sieged dread, mothership or Titan. Hope this helps.


Just in case anyone, you know, MISSED THIS the first time.

Valtis Thermalion
Caldari
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:08:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
Its a pity your not changing the MOM now, but I will be ever awaiting what you truly do change in the future.
--Isaac


Hopefully you realize that with current hp values, mothership dies to 2 - 3 doomsdays, which can be fired even in low sec. Until motherships are boosted, they are nothing more than 16 billion pos ornaments. Given the speed or even competence of ccp balancing, I'm not too hopeful myself.

Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:09:00 - [194]
 



Nozh, Abathur, whichever monkey is flinging the poo/ideas at the wall today...


Dreads in siege CANNOT be target painted. Supercapitals CANNOT be target painted. Towers/guns CANNOT be target painted.

The explosion VELOCITY of the citadel weapons, coupled with the much smaller sig radius of most every subcap, made them relatively ineffective to subcaps as long as the subcaps were moving.

The explosion RADIUS of the citadel weapons made them the lone capital weapons unable to be used against most stationary objects in space.
Now even a medium tower can sigtank a citadel missile.

Reduce the explosion radius of all citadel missiles by 500m, and let the Guided Missile Precision skill affect the cruise missiles.

The Naglfar might be a loldread, but at least it can hit stuff and damage it. If its not a shield-rigged Leviathan, the phoenix can barely hope to do even that.

Seriously Bored
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:09:00 - [195]
 

I can see how with its current damage bonuses, the Nagfar would become a ridiculous beast.

However turning it back into a mandatory dual-weapon system ship, and throwing another level 5 skill on top of it (Cruise Missiles V) is an incredible nerf.

The Naglfar's bonuses should both remain turret based, but those bonuses should be balanced accordingly.

Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:09:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: EvilweaselFinance
man am I glad I never wanted a mothership

and that I don't have hiring nozh on my resume


I once hired someone who was a bad poster. Embarassed But on the other hand, at least I'm not CCP.

FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME.

Nongbong Fongrong
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:09:00 - [197]
 

٩๏̯͡๏)۶ . o O( If I don't speak up against bad decisions CCP will lose customers. Why do they delete my thoughts? I'm just trying to help them make money )

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:09:00 - [198]
 

٩ ͡๏̯͡๏۶ Lil guy is not amused. Go back to the Abathur changes already, we can't give you better feedback. Deleting posts claiming they lack feedback when they are infact giving you feedback, (I,e Revert to the pre-catastrophe supercarriers) is not good show.

Evlyna
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:09:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Scelestus Vereor
Wow. It's kind of surprising, really. After all the huge amounts of change promised for this expansion, in the end we get some new planets, a new IGB, and a new evemail client.


Coud've been worse, we coud've had fighters carrying bombs... no wait...

٩๏̯͡๏)۶ ARG!!!

Puss Bag
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:09:00 - [200]
 

Edited by: Puss Bag on 20/11/2009 00:12:47
WOW! Thanks for ruining 6 months of training CCP Nozh! I really appreciate all of your *astute* observations on capital warfare, it seems that you have a strong grasp on nullsec fleet battles and how capital ships work.

Seriously, have you ever played this game before?

Spam removed. Zymurgist

Verlai
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:10:00 - [201]
 

Maybe the front page image can be the new IGB now. ٩๏̯͡๏)۶

Rex Hargrove
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:11:00 - [202]
 

I don't even have a mom, I'm just saying there's no reason for 2 titans to be able to kill 18bil isk in 1 shot a piece. Doomsdays and remote doomsdays were already broken, but wow.

Moon Kitten
GoonWaffe
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:11:00 - [203]
 

The mother ship pilots spamming this thread because they didn't get an über solo pwn mobile proves Nozh's point that the planned changes wasn't going to result in a balanced ship.

Pyrhus Taavi
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:11:00 - [204]
 

Edited by: Pyrhus Taavi on 20/11/2009 00:11:26
HAHA there were 11 posts on this page when I hit reply, they were all gone when the message appeared

Serena Ku
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:12:00 - [205]
 

At LEAST give Motherships/Supercarriers a HP boost ffs. ugh

Sertan Deras
Gallente
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:12:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: Moon Kitten
The mother ship pilots spamming this thread because they didn't get an über solo pwn mobile proves Nozh's point that the planned changes wasn't going to result in a balanced ship.


Yes, because making them be one shot by the super titan they AREN'T going to pull (which is far more unbalanced than anything they planned to do with motherships) is definitely a great, Einstein-esque, plan.

Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:12:00 - [207]
 

FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME.

PS: Ban Nozh (and stucks)

razzo
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:12:00 - [208]
 

Ok, this sucks bigtime.

Posting a remake of the MS and tells eveyone how great it will be.
Making people invest in a MS before dominion so they wont have a problem with the
production when the new sov hits the systems.

Waiting a few weeks.... posting a **** blog about changing the stats and then come up with the idea to remove the MS totaly from the patch.

So CCP Nozh, can i send you a bill with 20bn is for the MS i just built and fitted?
You can transfer the ISK to my account and you can come and pick up the MS when ever you want.

Telender
Reblier Innovations
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:13:00 - [209]
 

Originally by: AJ Regard
I think it was a very good blog for numerous reasons.

The way they were headed with motherships was just silly.
The whole point as they said themselves was to define the class of each capital ship more, and making it an uber tanked capital killer just doesn't make any sense no matter how you look at it.
Realizing they ****ed it up this close to patch day, and starting over was the right decision, so kudos for doing it.

The way dreads are functioning now is also kinda ******ed.
Dropping a cap fleet (even without carriers) into battleship fight is pretty much instant win.
Out of siege dreads shoot bs's quite well.

With these changes that means dropping dreads in a bs fight wont matter squad.
Together with the removal of DD in its current form, this will make fleet fights more enjoyable imo, and open up ways for new tactics.

I am happy they changed the titans to 100% bonus damage only.
Having the changed DD and 200% on turrets would just be to insane if you dropped for example 5+ **** on a field.
Especially considering the increased ehp.

Sum up: stop whining, they ****ed up with the mom, the rest is fine, get over it!



Dropping a fleet of dreads into a battleship fight means you lose a fleet of dreads with these changes. It doesn't mean "nothing," that's just dumb. If you drop a bunch of BS into the middle of a cruiser fight the cruisers all die....why the hell wouldn't that be true as you class up the ships? If they want to make them less effective fine, but making dreads completely defenseless against battleships is really dumb.

If motherships aren't capital killers than what are they? Currently they will simply be what they have always been...totally useless. They would have been overpowered but you could have simply made them not able to dock and you would have taken care of a good chunk of that problem.

The way motherships were going was indeed broken. The problem is that CCP insists on declaring these dramatic changes with little or no qualification about how firm they are. They decide last minute to make motherships uberpowerful beyond belief and then even more last minute roll everything back, but leaving just enough changed to make the current situation even worse. By rolling MS back and leaving the titan changes as is they have nerfed motherships. If being this terrible at planning deserves "kudos" from one of IT's premiere fleet commanders I can see why you guys are still living in empire.

Saul Reaver
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.20 00:13:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: LoveKebab
Edited by: LoveKebab on 19/11/2009 23:30:37
lmao, 2 titans = dead ms - die in a fire whoever came up with those changes in 1st place...

Originally by: Saul Reaver
That's it. I've had it with this game. Mad


they saved ur mothership 09 tho :P


How ironic, Looks like they saved yours too. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1217106


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