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GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.20 20:46:00 - [1141]
 

ccp nozh stay away from capitals

Traumatica
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 20:49:00 - [1142]
 

to be fair i cancelled my 5 accounts after the 'supercarriers can now dock im not listening to youuuuuuu' nozh post

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2009.11.20 20:52:00 - [1143]
 

Could we finally get the answer to why the original changes were abandoned? Usually when you scrap other peoples work, you have to provide your own alternatives and give reasons to why yours are better. CCP, you haven't even been able to defend your own last minute changes in any coherent or sensible way and are refusing to give reasons why you abandoned the initial changes. Was there a reason? Did it have anything to do with the game EVE-online or was it office politics, pride or something other non-relevant thing?

This change doesn't affect me directly in any way, but your inaction and inability to justify your actions is very alarming. This kind of development can't be allowed in any area of the game. This is BS and you either fix it now or it gets repeated over and over again until enough people get sick of it.

Your silence pretty much tells me though, that you don't have any good reasons to justify any of this and your little attempt at a smokescreen with the theoretical situations failed miserably. If you have a plan, than what are you waiting for. If you don't and never did, implement the original proposal and go from there. What could be the worst thing to happen? Overpowered ships loose for a few months before the inevitable tweak patch smoothes out the rough edged.

You want to implement new ideas and have additional ideas for cap ships? Fine, it isn't a crime to make new ships. It isn't like the game is worse off for having a few more ships then is really necessary.

Klisejo
Posted - 2009.11.20 20:53:00 - [1144]
 

Customer service is the provision of service to customers before, during and after a purchase.

According to Jamier L. Scott. (2002), “Customer service is a series of activities designed to enhance the level of customer satisfaction – that is, the feeling that a product or service has met the customer expectation."

SaintSebastian
Posted - 2009.11.20 20:56:00 - [1145]
 

Another page bits the dust... Man this is really starting to sound like that Micheal Jackson song...

D'ceet
Posted - 2009.11.20 20:57:00 - [1146]
 

"thread does not exist"

way to go, champs.

New ones
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2009.11.20 20:57:00 - [1147]
 

Just do this.

Motherships Get Dread Jump range.
Motherships get 20 Drones at Lvl 5 carrier.
Citadel torps AND Cruise get 1500 Explosion Radius, Torps (and compact get roughly 60ms explo velocity).
Motherships get a EHP buff.
Fighter Bombers (with 20 fighter bombers and lvl 5 fighter bomber) do roughly 8000 dps+
Motherships cant dock
Motherships dont get build costs reduced
Motherships lose triage and clone vat to balance the increased damage.

Titans Get 5minute DD timer.
Titans get the same damage as 2-3 Dreads (8-12k dps) with lvl 5 Titan.

Naglfars dont get a split weapon bonus (the dread with 4! weapons should be doing the most damage. Currently the Nags artys with EMP (20 shots) has to reload every 5 mins, which is sooner than every other dread and it requires carrying more ammo types).

Phoenix should get a 5% ROF damage bonus and a 5% bonus to ALL missile damage types.
Cit Cruise and torps should have 1500m explo raduis, being make smaller with skills for the cruise so they are effective against large pos mods and small pos. Right now Turret ships can still hit medium and small pos mods for massive damage while missile dreads FAIL extremely FAIL at this.

Do this and ALL problems will go away. Everything will be good. Harmony will spread out among the player base.

This is TESTED BY THE PLAYERBASE and everyone was in agreement. Only your shortsighted Egomania felt that Capships being used aggressively was a bad idea.

Also- I think you are out of line starting your post with a 'Lets see' as if the players are all idiots and have missed something.

You CANNOT impliment ANY of these Titan changes if you are going to leave motherships as they are.
You have also forgotten to do any work on Triage- It was said originally that Triage duration would be cut to 5mins and strontium consumption would be reduced.

Why you feel Torpedos need something so bizarre as a 3000+ explo radius ive no clue, you are terrible for causing more problems with your problem ideas.

Klisejo
Posted - 2009.11.20 20:57:00 - [1148]
 

I would like to extend my hand to CCP NOZZLE in this troubling time. Im sure having the entire play base hate you can be tough.

gobbie
Transgenic Cybernetics
Posted - 2009.11.20 20:58:00 - [1149]
 

BILLY JEAN IS NOT MY DAUGHTER
SHES JUST A GIRL WHO THINKS THAT I AM THE ONE
BUT THE KID IS NOT MY SON

Cedori
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.20 20:58:00 - [1150]
 

Edited by: Cedori on 20/11/2009 21:27:47
Edited by: Cedori on 20/11/2009 20:59:18

Originally by: Gergragda
Deleting posts is non-constructive

Disagreement is constructive

You can have a discussion or you can have censorship, they are mutually exclusive.


Quoting this, and posting it every time more posts are deleted. And I feel pretty dirty quoting a Goon.

3rd Paste Post 1151

H Zebra
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2009.11.20 20:58:00 - [1151]
 

Edited by: H Zebra on 20/11/2009 20:58:18
Originally by: Vadinho
Originally by: H Zebra
wow where did that page go too???
the same place ccp abathur and all the good dominion ideas went


nozh ate them all, then shat on our remaining capitals?

Theron Gyrow
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.11.20 20:59:00 - [1152]
 

Originally by: Gypsio III
Edited by: Gypsio III on 20/11/2009 17:50:28

Can someone post the raw EFT DPS numbers and ranges for each Dread using close-range guns and torps, close-range faction ammo and three damage mods, please?


If my numbers are correct (I now fear that I might have used the old RoF bonus for Nag instead of damage; someone check it, please):

All dreads with maxed skills, 3*damage mod, 5*Bouncer II, short-range weapons and ammo (no faction ammo used, it is rare enough that I do not see people using it as a rule):

Phoenix (new kinetic torps): 8547 DPS (8285 DPS from torps), 37km range.
Naglfar with 2*BCU2, 1*Gyro2 (new EMP/PP/Fusion ammo, new torps): 2795 DPS from ACs, 3929 DPS from torps and 263 DPS from Bouncer IIs, so 6987 DPS total. 12.5km optimal and 24km falloff for guns, 37km range for torps. Almost full damage type choice.
Moros (with 20%/level to drones): 6941 DPS (6416 DPS from guns), 15km optimal and 11km falloff.
Revelation: 6485 DPS (6223 DPS from guns), 20km optimal and 6km falloff.



All dreads with maxed skills, 3*damage mod, 5*Bouncer II, long-range weapons and shortest-range ammo (if no changes to arty DPS and rail/beam RoF same as in TQ):

Phoenix (new kinetic cruises): 3671 DPS from missiles + 263 DPS from drones = 3934 DPS total, theoretical range 157km.
Naglfar (new arty ammo, new cruises, 2*BCU2, 1*Gyro2): 1552 DPS from arties, 2140 DPS from cruises and 263 DPS from Bouncer IIs, so 3955 DPS total. 45km optimal + 87.5km falloff for arty, 157km range for cruises.
Moros (with 20%/level to drones): 3182 DPS + 525 DPS from drones = 3707 DPS total, 60km optimal + 30.6km falloff (60km max range for drones)
Revelation: 3743 DPS + 263 DPS from drones = 4006 DPS total, 45km optimal + 28km falloff

Hope this helps.

Pelvis Rodman
Posted - 2009.11.20 20:59:00 - [1153]
 

Originally by: New ones
Just do this.

Motherships Get Dread Jump range.
Motherships get 20 Drones at Lvl 5 carrier.
Citadel torps AND Cruise get 1500 Explosion Radius, Torps (and compact get roughly 60ms explo velocity).
Motherships get a EHP buff.
Fighter Bombers (with 20 fighter bombers and lvl 5 fighter bomber) do roughly 8000 dps+
Motherships cant dock
Motherships dont get build costs reduced
Motherships lose triage and clone vat to balance the increased damage.

Titans Get 5minute DD timer.
Titans get the same damage as 2-3 Dreads (8-12k dps) with lvl 5 Titan.

Naglfars dont get a split weapon bonus (the dread with 4! weapons should be doing the most damage. Currently the Nags artys with EMP (20 shots) has to reload every 5 mins, which is sooner than every other dread and it requires carrying more ammo types).

Phoenix should get a 5% ROF damage bonus and a 5% bonus to ALL missile damage types.
Cit Cruise and torps should have 1500m explo raduis, being make smaller with skills for the cruise so they are effective against large pos mods and small pos. Right now Turret ships can still hit medium and small pos mods for massive damage while missile dreads FAIL extremely FAIL at this.

Do this and ALL problems will go away. Everything will be good. Harmony will spread out among the player base.

This is TESTED BY THE PLAYERBASE and everyone was in agreement. Only your shortsighted Egomania felt that Capships being used aggressively was a bad idea.

Also- I think you are out of line starting your post with a 'Lets see' as if the players are all idiots and have missed something.

You CANNOT impliment ANY of these Titan changes if you are going to leave motherships as they are.
You have also forgotten to do any work on Triage- It was said originally that Triage duration would be cut to 5mins and strontium consumption would be reduced.

Why you feel Torpedos need something so bizarre as a 3000+ explo radius ive no clue, you are terrible for causing more problems with your problem ideas.


/signed
/SINGED
/****ING SIGNED

Orgell Evaan
Minmatar
Tax Avoidance Through Alliterative Syndication
Posted - 2009.11.20 21:00:00 - [1154]
 

Originally by: SaintSebastian
Another page bits the dust... Man this is really starting to sound like that Micheal Jackson song...


Don't you mean Queen?

Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention
Middle of Nowhere
Posted - 2009.11.20 21:00:00 - [1155]
 

Edited by: Catari Taga on 20/11/2009 21:02:04
How many times do I need to be deleted to be banned? Guess I'll find out soon. Btw, well said Mittani:

Originally by: The Mittani
The danger of taking a position of 'democracy' and 'transparency' - by creating the CSM to allow for player feedback, having devs interact with players at length at Fanfest, and then having a multiple-week process on SiSi for players to provide input on supercapital reform - is that now the playerbase expects CCP to behave in an accountable way.

[snip]

Transparency, democracy, player consensus and Scrum - all abandoned. Thank for your help, Nozh!


edit: in fact no, I haven't been deleted this time, they are still going back through the thread killing further posts, I fell back 2 pages within minutes...

Xessej
Posted - 2009.11.20 21:00:00 - [1156]
 

I was reading along, got halfway down page 41 and refreshed and suddenly there was no page 41. That's a lot of deleted posts in the 4 or 5 minutes it took me to read those posts.

I'm pretty sure that an explanation of why the original mom changes can't be implemented would go a long way to calming the horde.

At the very least delay release of Dominion until you have a new mom improvement ready.

Redora
Gallente
Universal Exports
Posted - 2009.11.20 21:01:00 - [1157]
 

I guess the thing that worries me most is the elephant in the room nobody (except The Mittani) has even hinted at. How can we take any Singularity testing seriously after this? I'm tempted to say that anything we as players TEST and find excellent will then be "LOL SUPERCARRIER!"'d by CCP. That's the real casualty in this entire thing.

What is CCP's plan to rebuild the credibility they're losing by the minute? How are they going to entice us to log on to Singularity at all after this? What's THE POINT of logging on to Singularity at all? Why should valuable playing time be wasted 'testing' when the 'test' results are thrown out without explanation?

Trent Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.20 21:01:00 - [1158]
 


Motherships were tested on singularity and overwhelmingly approved. Turning this formerly useless ship class into a deadly capital killer was a move needed and wanted by the the players. So how did we get here?

Between all the words, this is what I saw.

Players: Tested and approved - the singularity mothership is great!

Nozh: No. We are going to do this MY WAY.

Players: Your way is awful and here's why...

Nozh: Fine, lets do it this way then.

Players: That's even worse and here's why...

Nozh: Well if you dont want it MY WAY. Ill give you nothing at all and leave you in worse shape than before given the titan changes.

Players: Shocked

Unacceptable behavior from a child much less a supposed professional. Nozh needs to harden the F up and get over himself. He has demonstrated more than once that he lacks a basic understanding of capitals and how they are used.

I cant see motherships coming to Tranq in any form wanted by the players without someone who understands them heading up their overhaul.

Brokers Clone
Amarr
Northgate
Posted - 2009.11.20 21:01:00 - [1159]
 

Edited by: Brokers Clone on 20/11/2009 21:01:48
Nozh, when you leave, Can I Haz yer Stuffs?

Master Akira
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.20 21:02:00 - [1160]
 

+3 pages deleted in less than 20 minutes.

You know what CCP? This is the WORST way to handle this crap. Most people was ****ed off by a terrible design decision, but this even more terrible damage control will bite you in the rear.

Way to destroy all the momentum you had about Dominion and a "New CCP" Confused

Darriele
Minmatar
THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY
Posted - 2009.11.20 21:02:00 - [1161]
 

Edited by: Darriele on 20/11/2009 21:02:11
Go forum mods GO, we know you can make this thread having only 20 pages. WE BELIVE IN YOU! YOU CAN DO IT.

CobraStylez
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 21:02:00 - [1162]
 

Please, PLEASE re-un-nerf the Naglfar and re-examine making the super-carrier changes. As it stands no one will use a 16B isk ship that can be popped by two or three titans.

Luciboss
5 Guys With Internet
Posted - 2009.11.20 21:02:00 - [1163]
 

Originally by: New ones
Just do this.

Motherships Get Dread Jump range.
Motherships get 20 Drones at Lvl 5 carrier.
Citadel torps AND Cruise get 1500 Explosion Radius, Torps (and compact get roughly 60ms explo velocity).
Motherships get a EHP buff.
Fighter Bombers (with 20 fighter bombers and lvl 5 fighter bomber) do roughly 8000 dps+
Motherships cant dock
Motherships dont get build costs reduced
Motherships lose triage and clone vat to balance the increased damage.

Titans Get 5minute DD timer.
Titans get the same damage as 2-3 Dreads (8-12k dps) with lvl 5 Titan.

Naglfars dont get a split weapon bonus (the dread with 4! weapons should be doing the most damage. Currently the Nags artys with EMP (20 shots) has to reload every 5 mins, which is sooner than every other dread and it requires carrying more ammo types).

Phoenix should get a 5% ROF damage bonus and a 5% bonus to ALL missile damage types.
Cit Cruise and torps should have 1500m explo raduis, being make smaller with skills for the cruise so they are effective against large pos mods and small pos. Right now Turret ships can still hit medium and small pos mods for massive damage while missile dreads FAIL extremely FAIL at this.

Do this and ALL problems will go away. Everything will be good. Harmony will spread out among the player base.

This is TESTED BY THE PLAYERBASE and everyone was in agreement. Only your shortsighted Egomania felt that Capships being used aggressively was a bad idea.

Also- I think you are out of line starting your post with a 'Lets see' as if the players are all idiots and have missed something.

You CANNOT impliment ANY of these Titan changes if you are going to leave motherships as they are.
You have also forgotten to do any work on Triage- It was said originally that Triage duration would be cut to 5mins and strontium consumption would be reduced.

Why you feel Torpedos need something so bizarre as a 3000+ explo radius ive no clue, you are terrible for causing more problems with your problem ideas.


this doesn't really count as emptyquotin'

Toman Torax
Rage For Order
Nihil-Obstat
Posted - 2009.11.20 21:02:00 - [1164]
 

The more you delete, the madder people are getting.

You're just not getting this.

"We don't like this response"

*delete* *delete* *delete* *delete*

Do you guys not even get what a Star Wars Galaxies NGE scenario you're developing here?

Go look up what happened with SWG NGE, and the fallout that ensued. Here's a starter:

We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players.

—John Smedley, president of Sony Online Entertainment

paik
Minmatar
H A V O C
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2009.11.20 21:03:00 - [1165]
 

CCP the truth shall set you free!

Its ok just admit these changes are horrible. Everyone knows it you cant delete us all!

Ralph42nd
Gallente
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.11.20 21:04:00 - [1166]
 

Originally by: Trent Nichols

Motherships were tested on singularity and overwhelmingly approved. Turning this formerly useless ship class into a deadly capital killer was a move needed and wanted by the the players. So how did we get here?

Between all the words, this is what I saw.

Players: Tested and approved - the singularity mothership is great!

Nozh: No. We are going to do this MY WAY.

Players: Your way is awful and here's why...

Nozh: Fine, lets do it this way then.

Players: That's even worse and here's why...

Nozh: Well if you dont want it MY WAY. Ill give you nothing at all and leave you in worse shape than before given the titan changes.

Players: Shocked

Unacceptable behavior from a child much less a supposed professional. Nozh needs to harden the F up and get over himself. He has demonstrated more than once that he lacks a basic understanding of capitals and how they are used.

I cant see motherships coming to Tranq in any form wanted by the players without someone who understands them heading up their overhaul.


Bolded the unfunny part.

Really CCP is this how you want to be remembered?

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.11.20 21:04:00 - [1167]
 

Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Could we finally get the answer to why the original changes were abandoned? Usually when you scrap other peoples work, you have to provide your own alternatives and give reasons to why yours are better. CCP, you haven't even been able to defend your own last minute changes in any coherent or sensible way and are refusing to give reasons why you abandoned the initial changes. Was there a reason? Did it have anything to do with the game EVE-online or was it office politics, pride or something other non-relevant thing?



The LAST thing they are going to do is actually explain themselves. Having built their stone walls, Nozh and CCP are going to hope they can withstand our trebuchets.

Failing to explain their actions to their customers is the greatest sin of all that any MMO publisher can commit. Failing to change when MASSIVE numbers disagree with a decision is a game (and MMO publisher) killer.

We aren't "konsole kiddies" screaming at Mom for some chocolate milk, CCP, and you can't treat us as such.

Ravenid
Amarr
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 21:04:00 - [1168]
 

Hello page 40 nice to meet you again. We keep meeting like this how strange.

ep1k
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.20 21:04:00 - [1169]
 

Hey i noticed you have been having to delete a lot of posts lately, in this and other threads. Keep ****ing your customers off and then stifling their only ability to let you know. Sure is a full proof plan.

Ryan Powers
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Posted - 2009.11.20 21:05:00 - [1170]
 

/waits for a CCP (preferably Abathur, the basement must be cold there) to "harden the f*** up" and explain to the masses wtf is going on here. ...and for all these posts to stop getting deleted. Just put 'Inappropriate content removed' or something. :[


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