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Cera Minos
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:12:00 - [61]
 

Seriously, what are you doing?

So basically, the only worthwhile change in this patch now is the projectile guns? A few weeks ago, everyone was looking forward to the mothership changes, then you post a frankly ridiculous list of changes which everyone hates, and your reaction is to basically go 'well, if you don't want the new changes, you're not getting anything'? Rolling Eyes

Did you forget to check the original changes into source control or something, and just don't want to admit to it?

c0rn1
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:12:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
The playerbase tested the new motherships over several weeks on SiSi and found them good.

Some genius put you in charge of Abathur's good work, and now you've not only screwed up all the effort that went into testing those ships, now there's to be no improvement at all.

Where is your credibility on caps? Who are you? Have you fought in a supercapital, lost a supercapital on the field?

Is this the new CCP, or the old CCP rearing its terrible, incompetent head?



WoW, I never thought in my whole eve-life I'd quote Mittani for good but here we go.
This man has it right!

cheers

c0rn1

P.S.: And trust me, this cost me quite an effort.

Pringlescan
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:13:00 - [63]
 

Don't worry I'm sure they will manage to work into their patch 6 months from now. Hope you guys are willing to wait!

Battle Tested
Shiva
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:14:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Manfred Sideous
JUST PUT SUPERCARRIERS BACK TO WHAT ABATHUR HAD THEM AS YOU CAN NERF EM IF IT DONT WORK BUT PLAYERS ARE SAYING IT WILL.


If not CCP please take sov somewhere so AAA , Atlas , Goons , NC , PL can make a jooint campaign to come siege you into the darkage.


<3 this response....EVE Playerbase vs CCP

Vadinho
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:14:00 - [65]
 

just to ensure the points have been adequately made:

-the targets citadel missiles commonly engage cannot be target painted and thus the whole 'just target paint' thing is balderdash

-i have personally been in capfights where dreads have bounced off the opposing capital fleets while jumping in

-everybody hates the old split bonus naglfar what are you doing

particle9
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:15:00 - [66]
 

"deliberate more (with your help)"

how are you going to do that when we're all saying the same thing and you don't listen? by deleting almost half a page worth of posts in here? i'm glad i'm not you guys right now oh ho boy

Angry Poster
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:15:00 - [67]
 

Good call on not nerfing moms to hell and pushing back the release of the changes to that ship class. Now I only hope the system upgrades hold what they promise and I think dominion could work out quite well.

Ilsea
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:15:00 - [68]
 

As a previous mothership pilot, I was very excited that the ship class was finally going to be fixed so that a 30 billion isk sink that died in 2 min would in fact actually be useful. I dont know how many people had planned on actually buying and using super carriers post patch and using dreads/carriers to fight these ships.

As it stands right now you have done everything in which was wrong with the game when I first joined it. TITANS are now the most deadly ship in the game, they will kill any non expensively fit ms in 1 go. Dreads and carriers will melt to 5-6 titans being on the field at one time and without an alliance being able to field more then 5+ titans, you wont be taking space from people who do (pro tip: titans will **** gate disruptors without worry of dying to a hand full of dreads).

Motherships will get moth balled, as it stands right now in dominion as it plans to come out you have basically nerfed dread fights, ignored the mothership, and brought the titan back to its fame as the only class of ship to be used in a capital fight, pos siege or station camping.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:16:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: c0rn1
Originally by: The Mittani
The playerbase tested the new motherships over several weeks on SiSi and found them good.

Some genius put you in charge of Abathur's good work, and now you've not only screwed up all the effort that went into testing those ships, now there's to be no improvement at all.

Where is your credibility on caps? Who are you? Have you fought in a supercapital, lost a supercapital on the field?

Is this the new CCP, or the old CCP rearing its terrible, incompetent head?



WoW, I never thought in my whole eve-life I'd quote Mittani for good but here we go.
This man has it right!

cheers

c0rn1

P.S.: And trust me, this cost me quite an effort.


Since Nozh probably has no idea who c0rn1, Manfred, myself or Coranor is, we'll simply have to wait for the other devs and the community folks to recognize how deeply messed up you must be to have all of us nullsec people united in our condemnation of these changes.

We cannot agree about the color of the sky, yet we agree that Nozh has displayed a frightening incomprehension of the basic aspects of capital warfare in EVE, yet he's now in charge of it. We also agree that we liked Abathur's version of the mothership.

First time for everything.

Slapdash McGinty
Pronger Physics Research Dept.
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:16:00 - [70]
 

This is amazing, the complete dismantling of anything positive gained on Sisi, with 2 WEEKS TO GO BEFORE LAUNCH!

Before you damage this game any furthur with your bumbling, you should push back release for a least a couple of weeks. s it stands right now the public backlash you'll receive from releasing this expansion in the shape it is now will by far outweigh the criticism you'll receive over a missed date.

Hertford
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:17:00 - [71]
 

Nozh, I hate to undermine your role model, but anything Zulupark suggests is probably not a good idea.

Pringlescan
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:18:00 - [72]
 

Also not getting the hp boost and at the very least a bonus to fighter damage in the mean time is just the final insult to injury.

CynoNet Two
Caldari
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:18:00 - [73]
 

Apologies to all the mothership producers who are currently building ships without yet taking payment. Nozh just screwed you out of billions that will be blown up thanks to the lack of Sov4 CSAA's and lack of people to buy these worthless space coffins.

But it's great you kept in the the Doomsday to 1-shot any mothership pilots who didn't read this blog! At least everyone gets ****ed over equally!

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:19:00 - [74]
 

What becomes of the Nag's bonuses?

Vadinho
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:20:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Pattern Clarc
What becomes of the Nag's bonuses?
5% projectile damage, 5% missile rof

so its actually worse than it was pre-update

Zenst
Hall Of Flame
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:21:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: c0rn1
Originally by: The Mittani
The playerbase tested the new motherships over several weeks on SiSi and found them good.

Some genius put you in charge of Abathur's good work, and now you've not only screwed up all the effort that went into testing those ships, now there's to be no improvement at all.

Where is your credibility on caps? Who are you? Have you fought in a supercapital, lost a supercapital on the field?

Is this the new CCP, or the old CCP rearing its terrible, incompetent head?



WoW, I never thought in my whole eve-life I'd quote Mittani for good but here we go.
This man has it right!

cheers

c0rn1

P.S.: And trust me, this cost me quite an effort.


No effort here to agree totaly. Think thisvideo (very very work safe and short) sums up things.

But at the very least CCP should at least give the MOM's some EHP love if your changing damage dealing capitals, surely all that testing showed that was needed and worked. Slowly slowly catch the monkey; Totaly agree. Also better to release things working closer to ideal than being adrift and needing couple of patch's, I can respect that. But the EHP, c'mon. Bit of jump range love be nice as well, make them special.


Rex Hargrove
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:21:00 - [77]
 

This is a worse idea than walking in stations. I guess if you plan on ruining 0.0, it's time to start putting 100+ suicide BS in motsu and the other L4 mission running hubs.


Sertan Deras
Gallente
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:22:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Vadinho
Originally by: Pattern Clarc
What becomes of the Nag's bonuses?
5% projectile damage, 5% missile rof

so its actually worse than it was pre-update


No way dude, you can just target paint stuff to make the new citadel torps do more damage! Ignoring the fact that over half of what a Naglfar normally shoots at can't be target painted because it's EWar immune.

But who are we to question Nozh, who knows so much about capital ships that he has informed us they actually don't fight at close range, and supposedly can be target painted in their primary fight modes.

lydiazy
Amarr
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:23:00 - [79]
 

So one Blog says you want to see titans on the battlefield, the next says they are an 80bill logistics ship.

CCP you are a joke.

At least make a ship of that size/cost uber at one thing or the other(when you finaly make your idiotic minds up).
Not **** at both.

Zardock
Reikoku
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:23:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Vuk Lau
I am speechless.

You Sir are clueless.




Indeed. Nozh seems to be taking the place of Funcom's Gaute.

Shigsy
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:23:00 - [81]
 

If you don't go through with the mom changes, then don't go through with the titan changes, or else you have just made 500ish vet accounts sit in a ship they can't use for 6 months without being instapopped.

Inappropriate language removed. Zymurgist

Battle Tested
Shiva
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:24:00 - [82]
 

The one thing everyone agreed on with the mothership is survivability, at least give them the hp boost and work on fixing it's role/dps in a different patch. The first sighting of a MS will cause it to be hotdropped by titans and get instapopped.

Serena Ku
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:24:00 - [83]
 

Here goes another couple years with our motherships unchanged...

At least it's not changed into some cheap silly T2 lolcarrier.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:25:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 19/11/2009 23:32:21
in my nearly 6 years of EVE, this must be the biggest, greatest back-pedalling I ever saw from CCP.

weeks of testing, feedback and whatnot, and the only thing that sucked on the supercarriers was the name itself.
changes on the titans to *finally* make them use more than just the DD in drive-bys and the jump portal, and reshuffling and balancing XL turrets, changes that were extensively tested and generally approved by everyone so that all of the sudden someone comes and "oh hey, this isn't good." and you axe pretty much a third of the new features of Dominion.


Really liked how you handled the Naglfar and pretty much reverted it to a worse state than before the changes that everyone asked.Rolling Eyes

also love how the phoenix will be able to do maximum damage to stuff no bigger than a medium control tower (honestly...Laughing)

and love how the titans will be brought as they are in test server while the other supercap class will be relegated to collection ships, parked somewhere in someone's parking alt logged off in space for 6 months more.

at least the projectile changes are in, altho it's still somewhat of a half-assed atempt to fix them.

Hazel Rochambeau
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:27:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Telender
Do you guys roshambo for whose ideas you will pretend to be coding each week?
you rang?

Aeronith
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:27:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Vadinho
Originally by: Pattern Clarc
What becomes of the Nag's bonuses?
5% projectile damage, 5% missile rof

so its actually worse than it was pre-update


Not if you're using a target painter :smug:

Mikel Banks
CRICE Corp
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:27:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Mikel Banks on 19/11/2009 23:27:19
These changes will ruin warfare in null sec space. You neglected to mention the current base damage changes to long range xl weaponry, and the massive change to naglfars.

٩๏̯͡๏)۶

falcoon24
Biotronics Inc.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:28:00 - [88]
 

You can't be serious. Titans instapopping a 10b-ISK ship is just hilarious. Even with EHP-Buff MOMs would be quite useless. Without EHP-Buff they are just prisons for their owners. A few hundred people can now stay logged off for like 6 months.

If you had at least not removed ghost skilling...

What kind of evil plan is this?

LoveKebab
Caldari
LOST IDEA
C0VEN
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:28:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: LoveKebab on 19/11/2009 23:30:37
lmao, 2 titans = dead ms - die in a fire whoever came up with those changes in 1st place...

Originally by: Saul Reaver
That's it. I've had it with this game. Mad


they saved ur mothership 09 tho :P

ElvenLord
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:29:00 - [90]
 

WTF? (I know I'm repeating myself)

but seriously, leaving MS as they are for 6 more months with all changes you made. What are the plans on compensating MS pilots for this and wtf are you doing?


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