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Gorfob
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.19 22:56:00 - [31]
 

Capital ship fights rarely if ever happen at short distances.
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Random Womble
Minmatar
Emo Rangers
Electric Monkey Overlords
Posted - 2009.11.19 22:56:00 - [32]
 

got to love the "with 1 gyro 6x2500mm repeating art can outdamage the siege ion blaster" then later saying you changing the nag back to split weapons so generally at most the nag will be fitted with 1 gyro where as a moros would normally be fitted with 2 mag stabs since it does not need split damage mods completely nullifying the point you made earlier and infact increasing the advantage of blasters (and every other dreads weapon systems) if you ignore damage mods all together your point is invalid anyway.

The other thing is not only did you revert to the useless split bonus you then made the bonus worse than before. The cap use of the guns BTW for dreads is normally irrelevant since in large engagements dreads active tanks are useless.

There was a good reason why the split weapons bonus was removed now if things would be slightly overpower with the bonus as it currently is use your brain and just tweak the numbers dont go back to what was rubbish before and was rightly moved away from.


Vadinho
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.19 22:56:00 - [33]
 

seriously ccp you have managed to take every worthwhile idea you had for dominion and either mangle it into something foul and unrecognizable or discard it entirely

this is some flowers for algernon ****

Monkey M3n
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.19 22:57:00 - [34]
 

lol way to backpedal because people do not approve

Vuk Lau
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.19 22:57:00 - [35]
 

I am speechless.

You Sir are clueless.


Zastrow
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.19 22:57:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: CCP Nozh
Capital ship fights rarely if ever happen at short distances.


Nozh do you see this post i made for soundwave and abathur here? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1216357&page=7#193

read the first sentences carefully because nobody will ever say this to you. ever.

please stop posting forever


Kayl Breinhar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.19 22:58:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Kayl Breinhar on 19/11/2009 22:58:41
I'm with the rest of my corp and soon to be the rest of the capital-flying public of EVE when I say that you shouldn't be pulling this **** on us *this* close to launch day. Are you out of your collective ****ing minds?

Fire Hawk
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.19 22:58:00 - [38]
 

CCP you weent from exiting everyone about your patch to making everyone ****ed.

You just complete **** up the most important ship calse in the game, a useless jump portal with a rediculous range. You want to make them a logistical role, boost their logistic capacity dont just nerf the rest.

Sertan Deras
Gallente
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.19 22:58:00 - [39]
 

I can see his thought process now: "Well, most Dreads use long range weapons, so Dread fights must happen at long range! That must be it guys, otherwise why would they use long range weapons? It couldn't be because the short range ones suck, right? No, it must be because they don't fight close up".

Sarah Meow
Biotronics Inc.
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2009.11.19 22:59:00 - [40]
 

Thank you CCP, now I am stuck in a useless ship for at least 6 months. With the changes applied to titans, MS are even more worthless than before. Will all MS pilots get 6 plexes as reimbursement?

Alexander Knott
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:00:00 - [41]
 

You said:
Quote:
The new version of the Citadel Torpedo follows the same trend as other unguided missiles. The explosion velocity is slightly higher than that of the Citadel Cruise Missiles (or 2250) which means target painters will have to be utilized in many situations to achieve full damage potential. They do considerably more damage than their missile counterparts, with reduced range and velocity.
I think you meant:
Quote:
The new version of the Citadel Torpedo follows the same trend as other unguided missiles. The explosion radius is slightly higher than that of the Citadel Cruise Missiles (or 2250) which means target painters will have to be utilized in many situations to achieve full damage potential. They do considerably more damage than their cruise missile counterparts, with reduced range and velocity.
Things that can not be target painted:
  1. Supercaps
  2. POS Modules
  3. Dreads in siege
  4. Carriers in triage
Supercaps and Carriers aren't terribly important, but dreads certainly are.

Duckbar
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:00:00 - [42]
 

I for one can't wait for titan's to effectively oneshot people dumb enough to log in to their unchanged motherships.

Tar'an Tula
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:00:00 - [43]
 

i can't believe that dominion is about to go live in 2 weeks... ccp needs to delay the whole patch until they know what is going on. dominion is simply not ready. with 2 weeks to go we're completely taking the MS revisions off the table? the sov system has been tested by random groups of players who generally are not involved in 0.0 warfare for only a few days, and CCP generally has no idea if this **** is all going to work in a positive way, yet they are still going ahead with the patch? amazing.

Sealclubber Jones
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:01:00 - [44]
 

Goons and IT agreeing on something. This should tell you it's bad.

Also, I enjoy how you posted this on a Thursday so you could ignore the outrage for 3 days before having to deal with it on Monday morning.

Toman Torax
Rage For Order
Nihil-Obstat
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:01:00 - [45]
 

I really just don't get it...

The changes proposed by Abathur were tested, and overall well accepted. Why did you feel the need to screw with that? You basically erased months worth of ideas, work and testing.

What was the point?

Now you're back to square one. Can we at least go back to Abathur's ideas, and discuss why you felt those changes wouldn't have worked - or better yet, USE THEM?

Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:01:00 - [46]
 

Pro Tip: A calculator should be only ONE of the tools in the ol' toolbox.

Irongut
Sex Money Guns
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:02:00 - [47]
 

So everything that was good in Dominion has now been canceled and all we're left with is the crap? Good job CCP.

If you can't get it finished for 1st Dec you should have put the release date back a month, or more if necessary. There would be nothing wrong with that. While you're at it sack Nozh and put Abathur back in charge of the supercap changes, at least he knows what he's doing.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:02:00 - [48]
 

At first I wanted Nozh's head - get him away from the capital portfolio, since he apparently knows nothing about 1. supercaps 2. the weeks of testing before he came on the scene 3. how capfights even work

Now, however - after the 'docking motherships' hilarity, and this blog? I want to know who is responsible for hiring Nozh, and putting him in charge of capitals. Who is to blame for this gross act of negligence?

Oh, by the way, you talked about painters in your blog, Nozh. You may not know this, but you can't paint a sieged dread, mothership or Titan. Hope this helps.

Telender
Reblier Innovations
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:02:00 - [49]
 

Why is it that every blog is written by someone different for Dominion and each one is radically different? Do you guys roshambo for whose ideas you will pretend to be coding each week?

Alice Celadon
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:03:00 - [50]
 

First CCP Nozh talked about caps speed-tanking fighter bombers.

Now he thinks cap fights never go close range.

Also, yet to be pointed out:

"The new version of the Citadel Torpedo follows the same trend as other unguided missiles. The explosion velocity is slightly higher than that of the Citadel Cruise Missiles (or 2250) which means target painters will have to be utilized in many situations to achieve full damage potential."

Ahem. Ahem.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:03:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Blane Xero on 19/11/2009 23:02:50
Second page :(. Also bring back the abathur changes, screw delays upon delays.

sue denim
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:05:00 - [52]
 

WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO CAPITAL PROJECTILES

Manfred Sideous
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:06:00 - [53]
 

JUST PUT SUPERCARRIERS BACK TO WHAT ABATHUR HAD THEM AS YOU CAN NERF EM IF IT DONT WORK BUT PLAYERS ARE SAYING IT WILL.


If not CCP please take sov somewhere so AAA , Atlas , Goons , NC , PL can make a jooint campaign to come siege you into the darkage.

Erestas Drake
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:06:00 - [54]
 

Well, the front page graphic surely needs some attention now.

Barqs
Peanut Factory
Good Sax
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:06:00 - [55]
 

Itll be a cold day in hell before my titan sits on a battlefield filled with dreads doing no dps.
Also if you think this is going to bring more titans on the field you guys truly are idiots.
Barqs-

Sertan Deras
Gallente
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:07:00 - [56]
 

CCP: Guys, don't worry, the new missiles will rock, because you can just target paint your target.
Us: CCP, you can't target paint sieged dreads, triaged carriers, MS, titans or POS mods, and capital fights do actually happen at close range
CCP: Oh poppy****, we know exactly how capital ships work, we wrote the code after all
Us: Have you ever flown an actually Dreadnought in a fight not on SiSi?
CCP: Well obviously not, why would we need to do that? We have access to all the code and data! Our spreadsheets tell us it is so!
Us: Uhhh, yah...

Coranor
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:08:00 - [57]
 

I have to say it.

This expansion could have been fantastic. But you have succeeded in completely turning around the spirit that was there when all the new features were announced.

You're balancing the sovereignty far too much in favour of the defender with this 2 hour variance **** for the reinforcement timers. May as well not have a variance at all if thats the case. At least with pos there was potential for human error ****ing up the stront timer or we could kite them. The new system doesn't open up 0.0 it closes it off even more. Only difference now is that you don't need to fuel pos.

You had the mom changes bang on and then ****ed it up and now you obviously just can't stop arguing about it. Nozh you need to pull your head out of your arse and listen to those who've actually played the ****ing game. The rest of you actually need to get out and play the game again yourselves too. I don't mean out in empire in small corps, you really need to get out into the big alliances. Hell you can all go play with goons for all i care but ****ing get out there so you can see how it all works at the basic level. If you don't do that then all you're doing is guessing.

Arramis
Minmatar
ROMANIA Renegades
ROMANIAN-LEGION
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:08:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Arramis on 19/11/2009 23:27:49
Nozh...my man...you "HAS" NO CLUE i mean "IS" CLUELESS when we talk about, caps and cap fights.

PLEASE tell us how many times did you fly the Naglfar( for example) or how many times did you join a cap fight...to bring back the dual weapon bonuces after a ****ing nightmare debate to make it a COMPETITIVE (not GOOD, not THE BEST) dread on the battlefield, becouse it already lacks of TANK..becouse -1 med or low slot..compared to other dreads(this is a small insignifiant example).

ASK kittens here (The Mittani)..why the **** Naglfar get`s primaried allways in battles (is a verry simple answer) for example and what`s the average distance where CAP fights take place. And if you ask who is kittens in the first place...there you should resign and let Abathur do the job...he was really good..and I BET he`s playng EVE.

Please let us enjoy the game...and not hate the time and isk we invested in our capitals...THANKS!.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:09:00 - [59]
 

I don't even log into eve-online, a game about spaceships, and yet I know that you can't target paint supercaps or sieged dreads.

I also know, despite not being a player, that cap fights often take place within ridiculously short range.

Welp, this makes next week's column an easy topic. "New CCP vs Old CCP," something about how the older class of 'dev who doesn't know anything about the game' is managing to force out the newer, former-player devs with actual experience.

Glassback
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.19 23:10:00 - [60]
 

What a complete and utter waste of time and resources.

Nozh, you should be ashamed of yourself. But at least you haven't made your original changes.

Now, just make the "I mucked it all up, sorry" and "Lets go with Abathers changes instead" post and go fishing for the next decade.

Regards

Glassback.


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