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Hratli Smirks
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:14:00 - [451]
 

٩๏̯͡๏)۶

Target painting? Seriously? You're gonna target paint that sieged dread?

Seriously I kind of think "CCP Nozh" is some kind of communal posting account that's being used to grief cap pilots which I think is great because honestly a real human being cannot seriously be in charge of balancing things when he knows less about capital ships than I do (a three month old player.)

٩๏̯͡๏)۶

Rascael
Mindstar Technology
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:15:00 - [452]
 

Whine, *****, and Moan, Now you get what you want.

Too bad everyone that whined about the drop in price, loss of drones, and docking capabilities for the mom's they have cooking, will now whine that they are staying the same.

ugh

Fire Hawk
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:15:00 - [453]
 

Actually just spent some time on SISI looking at the dps of turrets on the Erebus VS Moros. with all skill at 5 a moros will out DPS an erebus purely becuase of the Base fitting of a dread ( most of them if not all have 3*damage mods and therefore increase the rate of fire). The erebus or the avatar under current game mechanics can not sacrifice those slots.

Under current game mechanics if a Titan gets tackle in a capital fight and remains tackle it would die in 3.5 minutes to a dread fleet, just like the one IT had running under 2 hours ago in a regular op.

Now CCP my questions are the following:

1) You claim you want the titan to be logistic ship, yet instead of boosting the logistic capabilities you just blaime the player base for not realising their role in the last 2+ years. Now do you really believe the player based community is too dum to realise the potential you claim? or wouldnt it be more logical that you CCP have infact undermined the role of the titan all together and have a wrong appreciation of their real value?

2) You say the titans will be able and I quote " to cause havock in a capital fight", may we the player base find out what facts you are baising this statement on? and no the number of HP is not that relevant when you see cap fights involving 300 dreads, where a pos is put in reinforce in under 3 minutes.

3) Every name you have choosen for the titans are based on legends or greek heroes... which represents death and suffering, how is that represented in your game mechanics? By being logistical beast? which by the way they arent, they just save you from doing a few jumps for lazzy ppl.

4)In an Economical " hypathetic" what is the return an alliance gets by building one titan (45 billion mins + BPC/BPO) over building lets say 30 dreads ( 750 million+BPC/BPO), the dreads will represent rafly 15 times more kills (even including new DD) and represent 3 to 4 more times more HP on the battle field.

5) By nerfing the titans and motherships so much, how do you justify the amount of hours spent by most 0.0 alliance over the last 2 years in the production of those mentioned super capitals.

6)By delaying the release of motherships based on your unhappyness with the changes and at the same time admitting the ship has no real purpuse, What you would say to current mothership pilots for them to keep paying their suscription for another 6 month? or do you actually expect them to just sit quietly and not moan?

7) How do you justify the change of development leadership over the last 2 weeks? Do you think those changes will affect your credibility?

8) as stated nultiple times in this thread that target painters dont work on the intended targets, How do you plan to implement new "effective chances" if you dev team does not seem to understand game mechanics in the firts place?

There are some many more questions is unfunny and tbh iŽd be already extremely surprise if you actually answer any question raised in this thread let alone one of mine.


Etien Aldragoran
Legitimate Corporation
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:17:00 - [454]
 

O_______o

you're kidding......

target painting to boost capital missile damage.....

Bahn Larsion
Caldari
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:19:00 - [455]
 

Originally by: Shiv Katall
Originally by: the SNEEP
Originally by: Ralph42nd
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Hello everyone,

While we all appreciate that this is a very hot topic item we would urge you to be constructive and on topic with your feedback. Personal attacks, flaming and trolling will not be permitted and posts of this nature will be removed by the Community team and may result in a warning or ban. We want you to discuss this issue but it must remain on topic and friendly.

We would also advise you that posting "٩๏̯͡๏)۶" or "Free Abathur" are considered spam and will also be removed.




Please keep silencing your customers because we disagree with you and yours. This tactic cannot possibly come back to bite you in the ***, or ***, or eve in your ***.

Oh dear if only EVERY other company in the world could get away with silencing their unhappy customers, oh wait ... no they can't.

Every new player heard about t20 pretty quickly. Everyone will hear about this too.

If you would simply answer our questions and LISTEN to the FEEDBACK we HAVE provided YOU, this would be water under the bridge.

You have a drooling idiot employed to balance the largest, most expensive ships in the game and he has ZERO (0, none, nadda, not a) clue how the game actually works. Can you explain to me why this is the case? Can you explain to me after the hundreds and potentially thousands of complaints you have received in this thread and other you have chosen to ignore us? Have your reprimanded this idiot in anyway?

Can you explain in clear concise english :words: why you are having issues pushing forward the changes the player base said was cool and wanted? Can you explain rationally why all these changes are being undone? Are we to believe you are going to change nothing about dominion aside from making 0.0 space less worth keeping and more worth quiting over? Also taking AOE DD's away from titans without an appropriate back up (what mom's would have been amiright) will see titans less used in battle than ever before, is there a reason behind this design decision?

All your ideas are stupid, childish, idiotic and shameful. At one point I as well as thousands of other players were looking forward to the big game changing patch, now we have to think about if it's worth resubbing for or not, and you don't care because we are saying bad stuff about you on your forum and your clearly in a PR stance of ignore it and maybe it will go away. Did the T20 threadnaught go away? Have your past ******ed blemishes gone away?

This thread has moved from it original topic to a demand for accountability at CCP Games, and if you can ****ing deal with that perhaps you should harden the **** up, and learn to play your own game, because you'll be the only people on the planet with a copy of it on your computers.

Fire that ****** Nozh, implement the changes the players tested and said were cool and were working. Else explain why not.

And don't post in this thread again with a warning about trolling and spamming when you won't answer what you have been asked.

TDLR : Fire Nozh, 'splain yourselves, STFU about people being ****ed off.



Agreeing with this post.

٩๏̯͡๏)۶ ٩๏̯͡๏)۶ ٩๏̯͡๏)۶ FREE Abathur you can go ahead and ban me. Rolling Eyes

ToyD
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:19:00 - [456]
 

Finally! A use for ewar frigates! wait..... something is missing.

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:19:00 - [457]
 

Originally by: Rascael
Whine, *****, and Moan, Now you get what you want.

Too bad everyone that whined about the drop in price, loss of drones, and docking capabilities for the mom's they have cooking, will now whine that they are staying the same.

ugh


Hmmm...yes we shouldn't be angry that we were promised one thing and we were excited for. Started cooking motherships in preparation and then got the rug pulled out from under us. Be thankful they aren't changing your precious CNR's, silly empire carebear, otherwise you'd be the one what was it again? Whining, *****ing, and Moaning. Keep your nose out of nullsec and we'll keep our nose out of empire.

Kieselguhr Kid
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:20:00 - [458]
 

serious proposed change for Dominion:

1)give assault frigates their 150% AB boost per level back
2)make no other changes to the game whatsoever


3)you have a happier and less dumbfounded playerbase than the one you've got now

Radigen
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:21:00 - [459]
 

Listen, is it possible that you guys are putting the 'C' grade talent (No offense to Nozh, I know it's his job) on the work of adding content to EVE proper while the experienced bulk of your team gets tasked to working on future content and products the likes of Incarna and Dust that you're hedging will be big new customer draws?

Don't forget your current players, everyone here is ****ed off because they are your customers and enjoy (I hope) your product.

As paying customers, we really do not deserve anything less than your absolute BEST efforts on adding content to your existing product and our confidence in that gets pretty fouled up when Nozh posts an update on a fairly non-trivial aspect of Dominion in which he demonstrates that he has a weak grasp on the mechanics of the game.




Ernst Ra'Kun
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:21:00 - [460]
 

the amount of pages that pops up after a short while of waiting is quite staggeringWink

And it took quite a while to read through AND catch up to the last posts. Having done so, I think CCP should on one hand see this positively; the playerbase complaining and agitating over these issues proves that they care to an extent towards this game.

On the other hand, they should seriously consider what is being posted by players and provide some feedback at least. I wasn't around for it much, but many (in-game) friends spent quite a lot of time testing stuff on Sisi during those times with Abathurs announcements. And a lot of them gave excited responses, from what i can gather. I don't think it is too much to ask for a satisfactory explanation why it is suddenly thrown away. It's like the sudden deposing of democracy and suuden implementation of tyranny.

Tamar Kaiz
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:22:00 - [461]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
The playerbase tested the new motherships over several weeks on SiSi and found them good.

Some genius put you in charge of Abathur's good work, and now you've not only screwed up all the effort that went into testing those ships, now there's to be no improvement at all.

Where is your credibility on caps? Who are you? Have you fought in a supercapital, lost a supercapital on the field?

Is this the new CCP, or the old CCP rearing its terrible, incompetent head?


//Signed//

Get someone that know what they are doing in charge of this!!!

Piccalo
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:22:00 - [462]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
The playerbase tested the new motherships over several weeks on SiSi and found them good.

Some genius put you in charge of Abathur's good work, and now you've not only screwed up all the effort that went into testing those ships, now there's to be no improvement at all.

Where is your credibility on caps? Who are you? Have you fought in a supercapital, lost a supercapital on the field?

Is this the new CCP, or the old CCP rearing its terrible, incompetent head?


//Signed//

Sertan Deras
Gallente
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:22:00 - [463]
 

Originally by: Rascael
Whine, *****, and Moan, Now you get what you want.

Too bad everyone that whined about the drop in price, loss of drones, and docking capabilities for the mom's they have cooking, will now whine that they are staying the same.

ugh


Yes, there wasn't a completely different set of changes that had been discussed for nearly a year between developers, the CSM and the player base. It's not as if these changes had been through several weeks of testing on Sisi, and several gigantic threads of discussion. It's not as if Nozh decided he should take these changes over, then proceeded to completely screw up the changes that had been discussed for a year, which caused the player community to ***** about those changes. No, no, this never happened.

Parabuteo
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:23:00 - [464]
 

Your understanding of the game is incredible. Better luck next time.

Kraken Kill
Menace ll Society
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:25:00 - [465]
 

Any word on the suggested changes to address the 'slaves vs broken-crystal' implant issue that was mentioned a month ago and no one has heard anything about since?

Conal Orion
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:26:00 - [466]
 

Fact, regarding about 95% of current MMOs: customer service/relations really don't exist, despite fan convention seminars and testimonials otherwise.

Threats to suspend accounts and quit playing are generally disregarded, because all players are presumed to be hopeless, drooling addicts, who will never quit their current time and money investment. The only ones you really want to care about are new blood, because if you have enough new players replacing the ones that quit, you maintain enough market share, without having to provide any customer satisfaction-- spend the money on advertising, instead. Moreover, to new players, all your old content seems new and shiny.

Even if owners believe that some may quit, they generally presume that it will be a minority and that they'll still replace them, or make enough money.

Underestimating player discontent killed Warhammer Online recently.

If the playerbase actually does tough up, and enough quit to make the owners wake up, it may be too late for the game unless people are poised to re-up, and the owners know it.

Finally: not listening to players does have a reason behind it. Many players do not truly care about game balance (or even understand it), they just want more benefits for what they want to play. Therefore, management reasons, bowing to player pressure will ultimately kill the game anyway.

Obviously, going too far in either direction-- kowtowing to players or disregarding them-- is an error.

That said, there are veteran players here that CCP has, in the past, said that they listen to.

What it comes down to is this: if they don't listen, what will you do about it? If this is all emo-rage, with no follow up, then you simply prove that you have no clout. Empty threats don't accomplish very much. Spamming platitudes doesn't accomplish very much.

Are you actually prepared to suspend subs to make your point?

Ultimately, the paying consumer has only ONE tool when people stop listening to them. Stop paying. Never draw a line in the sand, unless you're willing to back it up.

Cpt Underpants
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:27:00 - [467]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
The playerbase tested the new motherships over several weeks on SiSi and found them good.

Some genius put you in charge of Abathur's good work, and now you've not only screwed up all the effort that went into testing those ships, now there's to be no improvement at all.

Where is your credibility on caps? Who are you? Have you fought in a supercapital, lost a supercapital on the field?

Is this the new CCP, or the old CCP rearing its terrible, incompetent head?


/Signed

Also...
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 20/11/2009 01:03:43
Target Painters
***Do NOT Work***
on Supercaps, Structures, or Sieged Caps



NOBODY who has this little knowledge of game mechanics should be handed such an important job.

Supercaps are the "end game" for many players and few ever reach that goal. You are effectively taking their love of your game, dropping your pants and taking a big fat dump on our respective foreheads.

Sertan Deras
Gallente
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:28:00 - [468]
 

Originally by: Kraken Kill
Any word on the suggested changes to address the 'slaves vs broken-crystal' implant issue that was mentioned a month ago and no one has heard anything about since?


Woh there cowboy. They are still figuring out that capital fights happen at close range and that there are actually things that can't be target painted, lets slow our roll here. They'll get to really complicated stuff like completely broken implant sets when they figure out the basics. Lets give them some time.

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:29:00 - [469]
 

This entire debacle is like promising people a ride in a first-class ocean-liner complete with alcohol, strippers, and good weather, and setting us in the middle of the north atlantic in a rowboat without a paddle with 20 foot swells on all sides.

VonKaplanek III
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:29:00 - [470]
 

I remember a few years back Mittens ordered a timely threadnaught to shame ccp into doing something. I don't agree with what they did but I remember the response from CCP. There was talk about bans and court proceedings etc etc etc.

Now CCP orcastrates the most explosive threadnaught ever 18 pages in just a shot period of time and climbing. So who are they going to ban and blame this time?

Mittens, Remedial and Darius, you can stop trying to ruin the game, CCP is doing just fine on their own.




Etien Aldragoran
Legitimate Corporation
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:31:00 - [471]
 

Guys, dont be fooled, this is just another part of CCP's Unholy Rage campaign to stop RMT.

Seriously, characters and ISK will be worthless when this stuff goes through.

Jim Eat
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:32:00 - [472]
 

Edited by: Jim Eat on 20/11/2009 02:35:34
CCP thanks for letting me waste all that time training up for a ship I don't even want to use anymore.

Why don't you figure out a way to let me convert all those skill points into something you haven't totaly screwed up yet?Mad

Johndalar
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:34:00 - [473]
 

Don't roll out any of the Projectile changes! They are all half-ass'd and out of all the "feedback" you say you want you don't listen to any of it. My god your arty "alpha" fix works better on Ammar ships. I though CCP was a company that actually played the game and were a part of the community, thats what I was told anyway but thank you for showing me your not any different from Sony or Microsoft. Mark my words employees of CCP if this is how you company is going to run you will all be looking for new job by next year. and from what I hear it is kind of hard to GET a job in Iceland these days.....

William Caldon
Caldari
Golden Cross Enterprises
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:36:00 - [474]
 

Edited by: William Caldon on 20/11/2009 02:39:51
Originally by: Ralph42nd
lots of rage, rage, I need to get out and see sunshine, etc


Wow, lots of rage there. You realize that trolling is against CCP's forum policy right? Thus they are in the right. Go on, keep being righteous...your not.

Also, I've noticed that 90% of all this feedback is basically trolling from Goons. Thus 90% is actually worthless. Go figure. Oh and keep flaming, it totally impresses your alliance, your corp and yourself. (In other words, you could be mature, but your not, thus making it hard for people like CCP and myself to take you seriously) Also, CCP has fully explained their actions. Why can't you figure that out?

@Minto: you have no idea what I do.

Syno Ahlt
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:37:00 - [475]
 

Edited by: Syno Ahlt on 20/11/2009 02:37:34
I normally don't post on CAOD, but this merited a post.

In all seriousness, what the hell were you guys at CCP thinking? At the risk of sounding like the hordes before me, do you even -play- this game? Seriously.... it's unbelievable. Absolutely mind-blowing how messed up this is.

Get someone who's competent. At very least, get someone who knows how this game works, and not someone safely walled off from real-word, real-time play.

I'm adding my voice to this cacophony to try to get you guys to change direction. You guys have a lot of talent, but it seems that your greatest talent is to arouse the entirely deserved anger of your paying customers. This game is designed for -us-. If you've got 2 pages per minute of posts about how awful a set of prescribed changes are, that probably means they're pretty awful.

I know my one post among many will probably not make much of a difference, but this travesty deserved a sincere reply.

So here it is:

CCP, you guys need to listen to us. Listen to us, not to calculator-punchers who don't ever log in or fly in combat. LISTEN TO US. Bring back the people who do.

Peace.

Btw, for some reason it posted this on my alt's name, but this is Ghuarran.

Chalion
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:39:00 - [476]
 

Originally by: William Caldon
Originally by: Ralph42nd
lots of rage, rage, I need to get out and see sunshine, etc


Wow, lots of rage there. You realize that trolling is against CCP's forum policy right? Thus they are in the right. Go on, keep being righteous...your not.

Also, I've noticed that 90% of all this feedback is basically trolling from Goons. Thus 90% is actually worthless. Go figure. Oh and keep flaming, it totally impresses your alliance, your corp and yourself. (In other words, you could be mature, but your not, thus making it hard for people like CCP and myself to take you seriously) Also, CCP has fully explained their actions. Why can't you figure that out?

You can't call cuba.

Vanija
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:39:00 - [477]
 

Originally by: William Caldon
Originally by: Ralph42nd
lots of rage, rage, I need to get out and see sunshine, etc


Wow, lots of rage there. You realize that trolling is against CCP's forum policy right? Thus they are in the right. Go on, keep being righteous...your not.

Also, I've noticed that 90% of all this feedback is basically trolling from Goons. Thus 90% is actually worthless. Go figure. Oh and keep flaming, it totally impresses your alliance, your corp and yourself. (In other words, you could be mature, but your not, thus making it hard for people like CCP and myself to take you seriously) Also, CCP has fully explained their actions. Why can't you figure that out?


Because they explanations make no sense.

Psi Klone
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:41:00 - [478]
 

This is WEAK! Go back to the old capital changes that have already undergone months worth of testing on Sisi which the player base is happy with. Get your act together CCP!

Ralph42nd
Gallente
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:41:00 - [479]
 

Originally by: William Caldon
Edited by: William Caldon on 20/11/2009 02:39:51
Originally by: Ralph42nd
lots of rage, rage, I need to get out and see sunshine, etc


Wow, lots of rage there. You realize that trolling is against CCP's forum policy right? Thus they are in the right. Go on, keep being righteous...your not.

Also, I've noticed that 90% of all this feedback is basically trolling from Goons. Thus 90% is actually worthless. Go figure. Oh and keep flaming, it totally impresses your alliance, your corp and yourself. (In other words, you could be mature, but your not, thus making it hard for people like CCP and myself to take you seriously) Also, CCP has fully explained their actions. Why can't you figure that out?

@Minto: you have no idea what I do.


Please link where any of my questions or anyone else's have been fully answered.

Thank You

Kris Longknife
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.20 02:41:00 - [480]
 

Originally by: Syno Ahlt
Edited by: Syno Ahlt on 20/11/2009 02:37:34
I normally don't post on CAOD, but this merited a post.

.


This Isn't COAD, this is real. This is happening, waking up from the nightmare isn't going to be a valid option


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