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Aprudena Gist
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:31:00 - [391]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Hello everyone,

While we all appreciate that this is a very hot topic item we would urge you to be constructive and on topic with your feedback. Personal attacks, flaming and trolling will not be permitted and posts of this nature will be removed by the Community team and may result in a warning or ban. We want you to discuss this issue but it must remain on topic and friendly.

We would also advise you that posting "٩๏̯͡๏)۶" or "Free Abathur" are considered spam and will also be removed.




Then tell CCP Nozh to stop being and idiot and changing thing he knows nothing about and that were fine.

coeathal vega
Gallente
Northmoor Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:31:00 - [392]
 

Edited by: coeathal vega on 20/11/2009 01:31:48
Originally by: Minto Took
Originally by: coeathal vega
jesus christ, what the **** is that... and what did you do with someone that actually had a GOOD IDEA OF HOW EVE WORKS ?

FREE SELEENE


When Goons and former-BoB agree on something, you know that something is horrifically wrong.


having that said :brofist:, no matter how many threadnaughts there will be, CCP will do whatever the **** they want - as in whatever brings in the more revenue.

This dev blog should be renamed to "Dev Blog : Capital ships in Domhahahhahahahahahahahaha"

Aaaaaaaaand I'm spent.

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:32:00 - [393]
 

Originally by: coeathal vega
Originally by: Minto Took
Originally by: coeathal vega
jesus christ, what the **** is that... and what did you do with someone that actually had a GOOD IDEA OF HOW EVE WORKS ?

FREE SELEENE


When Goons and former-BoB agree on something, you know that something is horrifically wrong.


having that said :brofist:, no matter how many threadnaughts there will be, CCP will do whatever the **** they want - as in whatever brings in the more revenue.

This dev blog should be renamed to "Dev Blod : Capital ships in Domhahahhahahahahahahahaha"


This made me burst out laughing in the middle of a dead silent (see boring) computer science lecture.

Brynn Aeon
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:33:00 - [394]
 

/me checks calendar, sees its not April first.


I have this mental image of Abathur sitting in his office, feet on his desk, arms behind his head, with a giant banner running wall to wall behind him.

On that banner are the words:

I TOLD YOU SO!!!

ImnotwearingUnderwear
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:34:00 - [395]
 

Originally by: Telender
Edited by: Telender on 20/11/2009 01:28:20

Why is December 1st such an incredibly holy date? Why not simply admit that you guys are having a hard time putting everything together the way it needs to be and push the date back? The only thing the players care about are quality changes, and you guys act like the only thing that matters is meeting an arbitrary implementation deadline.


pr0tip: Stop making your devblogs have the tone of "THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO CHANGE" because we keep making the idiotic mistake of BELIEVING YOU. If you're just kicking around some ideas then just kick them around.



there is a good reason EA games is known for being a pile of crap, its called rushing a release date. this is the reason why people just pirate their games if they want to play them because there is a 75% chance it is going to be a piece of crap. ccp please do not become EA games rushing half assed changes to meet a due date

Vadinho
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:35:00 - [396]
 

Originally by: Brynn Aeon
/me checks calendar, sees its not April first.


I have this mental image of Abathur sitting in his office, feet on his desk, arms behind his head, with a giant banner running wall to wall behind him.

On that banner are the words:

I TOLD YOU SO!!!
i see him more impoverished and tattered, chained up in ccp's basement with all the other good ideas left to die

WrathOfOprah
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:35:00 - [397]
 

Im going to quote the great Scott "Lum" Jennings:


"At some point someone - your producer, probably, that being his job and all - should have sat everyone down and said "you. can't. do. that." Those 200,000 customers - customers - you blithely dismiss as "dregs" and "weirdos" - are paying your salary. You can't just blow them off for the mythical millions of people looking for a better game."

Minto Took
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:35:00 - [398]
 

Edited by: Minto Took on 20/11/2009 01:35:25
Originally by: ImnotwearingUnderwear
Originally by: Telender
Edited by: Telender on 20/11/2009 01:28:20

Why is December 1st such an incredibly holy date? Why not simply admit that you guys are having a hard time putting everything together the way it needs to be and push the date back? The only thing the players care about are quality changes, and you guys act like the only thing that matters is meeting an arbitrary implementation deadline.


pr0tip: Stop making your devblogs have the tone of "THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO CHANGE" because we keep making the idiotic mistake of BELIEVING YOU. If you're just kicking around some ideas then just kick them around.


there is a good reason EA games is known for being a pile of crap, its called rushing a release date. this is the reason why people just pirate their games if they want to play them because there is a 75% chance it is going to be a piece of crap. ccp please do not become EA games rushing half assed changes to meet a due date



Counterpoint: Look at all the delays the Half-Life series had. And those games were amazing.

Allan Corday
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:36:00 - [399]
 

Dominion is a lie, just like Icelandic Sovereignty on December 1st 1918 is a lie.

Was Iceland sovereign in December 1940? What did Iceland do about all the British and American troops occupying their "sovereign" territory between 1940 and 2006?

Where is Iceland's banking system without a bailout from the International Monetary Fund?

Dominion is a lie, just like Icelandic Sovereignty is a lie.


Pointfive
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:38:00 - [400]
 

Abathur when you get in to work tomorrow please go up to you boss and see if he wants you look at the capital ship changes real quick.

Kais Fiddler
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:39:00 - [401]
 

You cannot be serious. All the changes that were tested for so long on Sisi are being rolled back, by a guy thta doesn't seem to understand caps or cap fights at all. How about you keep the mothership changes and work off of them to balance as required instead of scrapping the carefully reviewed ideas that plenty of players looked over. Even better how about you replace Nozh with someone competent and experienced in capital warfare, since he obviously is not.

I wonder how many of the large 0.0 alliances agree with your assessment Nohz, cause damn you don't seem to have much support in this thread.

Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:39:00 - [402]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Hello everyone,

While we all appreciate that this is a very hot topic item we would urge you to be constructive and on topic with your feedback. Personal attacks, flaming and trolling will not be permitted and posts of this nature will be removed by the Community team and may result in a warning or ban. We want you to discuss this issue but it must remain on topic and friendly.

We would also advise you that posting "٩๏̯͡๏)۶" or "Free Abathur" are considered spam and will also be removed.


Understood. I was so tempted to post one of the above prohibited symbols, but as you have explained, that would be WRONG.

Would it be possible for you to clarify how I use the target painter on my phoenix while shooting POS and when shooting my naglfar? I tried it on sisi earlier, but don't seem to be able to get it to work. Can we take it from this that you are announcing a new Capital Target Painter module, able to resist the effects of siege, negate the mechanics of POS modules and counter the properties of supercaps?

Please do NOT free Abathur till post Dominion 1.0 ... make him finish sov upgrades and warfare and stuff first. Then ask him very nicely to come back and fix this ̯bloomin' mess, kthx.

Also, please instead of sending CCP Nozh nothing's devblogs to someone in the community team to spell check, instead send them to QA to sanity check. Decent QA teams catch defects in design and documentation too, you know. ٩๏̯͡๏)۶

Myn

Chalion
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:40:00 - [403]
 

Edited by: Chalion on 20/11/2009 01:40:42
"At some point someone - your producer, probably, that being his job and all - should have sat everyone down and said "you. can't. do. that." Those 200,000 customers - customers - you blithely dismiss as "dregs" and "weirdos" - are paying your salary. You can't just blow them off for the mythical millions of people looking for a better game."
٩๏̯͡๏)۶

Battle Tested
Shiva
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:40:00 - [404]
 

On a serious note....How can you, after admitting the mothership was broken in today's capital warfare, go back to it's original stats? How can you sit back and let people go into mass production after the well accepted and playerbase approved CCP Abathur changes to only change them to crap and then back to worse crap? Then, upon our dissaproval tell us we can't express our feelings of how you deceived us and how you are ruining the game that we have invested so much time and money into. This is bull****, straight up bull****. Just like SGE...EVE will be a thing of the past, and there is no fixing it once you push away your customers.

Pnuka
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:41:00 - [405]
 

target painters? is the new enchantments?


Zedone
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:42:00 - [406]
 

Thanks for totally ignoring all of the titan pilots who voiced their dislike of these horrible changes. I don't think there was a single titan pilot who favored this excessive nerf. Not one response was given to us on the titan feedback thread after the last major change. Why even ask us what we think? Seems you only listen if half of eve threatens to emoragewtfbbqquit..

The original idea was good and we responded that we liked the changes. We would've seen titan pilots joining the battlefield in combat. Then all of a sudden you pretty much shove us down a hole and carry on with your own joke of a balance nerf. Now this jump portal u call a titan, is a freaking joke.

Originally by: CCP Nozh
The Titans primary value should be as a fleet's logistical backbone

To sit at a pos, hand out fuel and jump people around? oh boy what a scarry ship that is. Rolling Eyes

It looks like we truly are just large * inappropriate text removed - CCP Ildoge to you guys, that u seem to like to tease, and then walk away in laughter. Laughing

You really don't seem to care about your older(ingame) players.

Hire me for a couple weeks if you need, I live 5mins away from the HQ. I'll help u fix your problem if you're truly lacking people who actually play the game, and know that you can't target paint a sieged dread.

I've never said this about any eve patch before, but.. This is pure Fail. What a waste :(... Have a nice day.

Ralph42nd
Gallente
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:46:00 - [407]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Hello everyone,

While we all appreciate that this is a very hot topic item we would urge you to be constructive and on topic with your feedback. Personal attacks, flaming and trolling will not be permitted and posts of this nature will be removed by the Community team and may result in a warning or ban. We want you to discuss this issue but it must remain on topic and friendly.

We would also advise you that posting "٩๏̯͡๏)۶" or "Free Abathur" are considered spam and will also be removed.




Please keep silencing your customers because we disagree with you and yours. This tactic cannot possibly come back to bite you in the ***, or ***, or eve in your ***.

Oh dear if only EVERY other company in the world could get away with silencing their unhappy customers, oh wait ... no they can't.

Every new player heard about t20 pretty quickly. Everyone will hear about this too.

If you would simply answer our questions and LISTEN to the FEEDBACK we HAVE provided YOU, this would be water under the bridge.

You have a drooling idiot employed to balance the largest, most expensive ships in the game and he has ZERO (0, none, nadda, not a) clue how the game actually works. Can you explain to me why this is the case? Can you explain to me after the hundreds and potentially thousands of complaints you have received in this thread and other you have chosen to ignore us? Have your reprimanded this idiot in anyway?

Can you explain in clear concise english :words: why you are having issues pushing forward the changes the player base said was cool and wanted? Can you explain rationally why all these changes are being undone? Are we to believe you are going to change nothing about dominion aside from making 0.0 space less worth keeping and more worth quiting over? Also taking AOE DD's away from titans without an appropriate back up (what mom's would have been amiright) will see titans less used in battle than ever before, is there a reason behind this design decision?

All your ideas are stupid, childish, idiotic and shameful. At one point I as well as thousands of other players were looking forward to the big game changing patch, now we have to think about if it's worth resubbing for or not, and you don't care because we are saying bad stuff about you on your forum and your clearly in a PR stance of ignore it and maybe it will go away. Did the T20 threadnaught go away? Have your past ******ed blemishes gone away?

This thread has moved from it original topic to a demand for accountability at CCP Games, and if you can ****ing deal with that perhaps you should harden the **** up, and learn to play your own game, because you'll be the only people on the planet with a copy of it on your computers.

Fire that ****** Nozh, implement the changes the players tested and said were cool and were working. Else explain why not.

And don't post in this thread again with a warning about trolling and spamming when you won't answer what you have been asked.

TDLR : Fire Nozh, 'splain yourselves, STFU about people being ****ed off.

Gram Hellfire
Priory Of The Lemon
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:48:00 - [408]
 

cap ships will be cap ships

take that statement to the bank!!!!!

Minto Took
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:49:00 - [409]
 

Originally by: Gram Hellfire
cap ships will be cap ships

take that statement to the bank!!!!!


cap ships more like crap ships

Coconut Bee
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:52:00 - [410]
 

Edited by: Coconut Bee on 20/11/2009 01:56:48
Originally by: Zedone

Thanks for totally ignoring all of the titan pilots who voiced their dislike of these horrible changes. I don't think there was a single titan pilot who favored this excessive nerf. Not one response was given to us on the titan feedback thread after the last major change. Why even ask us what we think? Seems you only listen if half of eve threatens to emoragewtfbbqquit..

Originally by: CCP Nozh
The Titans primary value should be as a fleet's logistical backbone

To sit at a pos, hand out fuel and jump people around? oh boy what a scarry ship that is. Rolling Eyes




/signed

This terrble idea of 'mobile JBs worth 60+ bill that will never leave the POS field' simply trashes tons of man-hours building it, not to mention that was the only opportunity to counter blobs.

Call this patch 'Blobinion', really.

Konoch
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:52:00 - [411]
 

This situation is why i am more intrested in command ships.

Severion Atarkos
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:53:00 - [412]
 

Edited by: Severion Atarkos on 20/11/2009 01:54:39
Dear Nozh,

you can't target paint a sieged dread, mothership or Titan

Sincerely,
Someone who has actually played this game beyond the tutorial.


Kraken Kill
Menace ll Society
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:53:00 - [413]
 

Does this mean Motherships also wont be getting the increased jump range?

Etien Aldragoran
Legitimate Corporation
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:54:00 - [414]
 

Wow, mothership pilots have no reason to log in right now because a cyno HIC can get two titans hot dropped and insta-pop the mothership.

"Hey guys, CCP here, we're not happy with the Sov system because it's sort of something that's just happened as we slowly add things over the years, so we're redoing it. We're also not happy with capital ships as they too have just sort of happened over the years, so we're redoing them too. However, we're not redoing all of them because that would just be silly."

Sertan Deras
Gallente
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:54:00 - [415]
 

Edited by: Sertan Deras on 20/11/2009 01:54:54
Count down until CCP announces target painters are no longer considered ewar, and now effect POS's, POS mods, titans and motherships, just to cover up Nozh's complete lack of knowledge.

3...2...1...

Hk93g3
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:54:00 - [416]
 

Gj ruining one of the best parts about this game.


/me looks for another game on the market.

Battle Tested
Shiva
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:55:00 - [417]
 

Originally by: Kraken Kill
Does this mean Motherships also wont be getting the increased jump range?


this means your 20+ bill investment is still a worthless trophy

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:55:00 - [418]
 

Holy God are you serious? You're sitting there deleting anything that sheds a negative light on your company? What on Earth is wrong with you people? Don't you have any respect for players outside of empire space?

You guys are a joke, and I didn't think this before today. But it's true. I hope you figure this out so I don't have to wait until a more competent company makes a new spaceship game that is as fun as this one has been so far. Right now I'm getting the "I don't have much more to look forward to" feeling that makes me get game ADD and leave you and the money I spend on you guys behind.

Sooshie
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:56:00 - [419]
 

QUICK advertise Eve on more torrent sites because a lot of mothership characters will be turned off.. NEED to return that revenue stream!

Tamir Lenk
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:56:00 - [420]
 

Originally by: Vadinho
Originally by: Ralph42nd
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Hello everyone,

While we all appreciate that this is a very hot topic item we would urge you to be constructive and on topic with your feedback. Personal attacks, flaming and trolling will not be permitted and posts of this nature will be removed by the Community team and may result in a warning or ban. We want you to discuss this issue but it must remain on topic and friendly.

We would also advise you that posting "٩๏̯͡๏)۶" or "Free Abathur" are considered spam and will also be removed.




Please keep silencing your customers because we disagree with you and yours. This tactic cannot possibly come back to bite you in the ***, or ***, or eve in your ***.

Oh dear if only EVERY other company in the world could get away with silencing their unhappy customers, oh wait ... no they can't.

Every new player heard about t20 pretty quickly. Everyone will hear about this too.

If you would simply answer our questions and LISTEN to the FEEDBACK we HAVE provided YOU, this would be water under the bridge.

You have a drooling idiot employed to balance the largest, most expensive ships in the game and he has ZERO (0, none, nadda, not a) clue how the game actually works. Can you explain to me why this is the case? Can you explain to me after the hundreds and potentially thousands of complaints you have received in this thread and other you have chosen to ignore us? Have your reprimanded this idiot in anyway?

Can you explain in clear concise english :words: why you are having issues pushing forward the changes the player base said was cool and wanted? Can you explain rationally why all these changes are being undone? Are we to believe you are going to change nothing about dominion aside from making 0.0 space less worth keeping and more worth quiting over? Also taking AOE DD's away from titans without an appropriate back up (what mom's would have been amiright) will see titans less used in battle than ever before, is there a reason behind this design decision?

All your ideas are stupid, childish, idiotic and shameful. At one point I as well as thousands of other players were looking forward to the big game changing patch, now we have to think about if it's worth resubbing for or not, and you don't care because we are saying bad stuff about you on your forum and your clearly in a PR stance of ignore it and maybe it will go away. Did the T20 threadnaught go away? Have your past ******ed blemishes gone away?

This thread has moved from it original topic to a demand for accountability at CCP Games, and if you can ****ing deal with that perhaps you should harden the **** up, and learn to play your own game, because you'll be the only people on the planet with a copy of it on your computers.

Fire that ****** Nozh, implement the changes the players tested and said were cool and were working. Else explain why not.

And don't post in this thread again with a warning about trolling and spamming when you won't answer what you have been asked.

TDLR : Fire Nozh, 'splain yourselves, STFU about people being ****ed off.
i say damn


Not emptyquoting this.

Post-Dominion Titans = Jumpbridges that someone pays a monthly subscription to maintain.



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