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Reapeat Offender
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:19:00 - [361]
 

Please assign a competent Dev to Capital ship balance. TIA

٩๏̯͡๏)۶

ImnotwearingUnderwear
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:19:00 - [362]
 

Edited by: ImnotwearingUnderwear on 20/11/2009 01:21:20
lol this reminds me when coca cola scrapped its original recipe for new coke.

here are some constructive comments:

don't make a live change to anything if it is not tested thoroughly and is horribly screwed up. if you had to backpedal on a major issue then you should be adding several weeks/months to your development time of the patch. another thing is having somebody in charge of something but does not understand the basic concept of what they are in charge of, is generally a very bad idea.
imagine if a car company put a marketing guy in charge of production, kiss several billion dollars (not isk) goodbye.

also please have somebody proof read dev blogs so they are not horribly bad

WarDecEvading NPCCorpAlt
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:19:00 - [363]
 

Not using cap is a pretty weak justification for subpar performance on capital projectiles considering capital shield boosters use A LOT of cap.

razzo
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:20:00 - [364]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Hello everyone,

While we all appreciate that this is a very hot topic item we would urge you to be constructive and on topic with your feedback. Personal attacks, flaming and trolling will not be permitted and posts of this nature will be removed by the Community team and may result in a warning or ban. We want you to discuss this issue but it must remain on topic and friendly.

We would also advise you that posting "٩๏̯͡๏)۶" or "Free Abathur" are considered spam and will also be removed.




What is it to discuss about?
It wont change so there is no point discuss about something you wont change.

coeathal vega
Gallente
Northmoor Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:20:00 - [365]
 

jesus christ, what the **** is that... and what did you do with someone that actually had a GOOD IDEA OF HOW EVE WORKS ?

FREE SELEENE

z0186
Amarr
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:20:00 - [366]
 

* spam text removed - CCP Ildoge
Dont put incompetant people in charge of things that will polarize your player base against you.
That would be a start.

Epofhis
StarFckers Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:21:00 - [367]
 

I'm getting the feeling that water cooler/fishtank talks are going to be interesting at CCP HQ tomorrow... c/d?

Reapeat Offender
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:21:00 - [368]
 

I'd feel better about your decision to scrap all mother ship changes planned for Dominion if it had been made by someone who knew that target painters cannot be used on sieged dreads, motherships, and Titans.

٩๏̯͡๏)۶

Minto Took
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:22:00 - [369]
 

Where is CCP Soundwave? Only then will I believe this dev blog is not a troll.

Queldonus
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:22:00 - [370]
 

How many more years do we have to wait for you to change moms?

Don't take me wrong, but I am glad you listened, and are not implementing the changes.

Please do NOT take another 2 years to do something with this ship class.

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:22:00 - [371]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Hello everyone,

While we all appreciate that this is a very hot topic item we would urge you to be constructive and on topic with your feedback. Personal attacks, flaming and trolling will not be permitted and posts of this nature will be removed by the Community team and may result in a warning or ban. We want you to discuss this issue but it must remain on topic and friendly.

We would also advise you that posting "٩๏̯͡๏)۶" or "Free Abathur" are considered spam and will also be removed.



CCP Navigator;
This wouldn't be as hot a topic if we could get an explanation as to why CCP Abathur's very well received ideas were discarded two and a half weeks before Dominion, without announcement (somebody noticed it on Sisi), and have been replaced by CCP Nozh with very.... different... ideas.

The fact that the ideas that CCP Nozh has presented are as far as I can tell idiotic is only a small part of the problem; the larger problem is that they were introduced with no input from the players and with no explanation as to why CCP Abathur's changes were removed.

This is without even considering the effects that repeated announcements have had on the Mothership/supercarrier market.

Let's break it down:
CCP Abathur and players: extensive testing and balancing on sisi with supercarriers and titans. Result: well-received changes, ships were finally good enough to be worth using for their price. All signs point to these changes going to TQ.
- one week passes -
CCP Nozh: I am changing pretty much everything and giving no shred of an explanation why.
Players: WTF.
CCP Nozh: okay i guess those changes were bad, I'll give them an additional fighter and let them dock.
Players: DOUBLEYEW TEE EFF
- threadnaught occurs -
CCP Nozh: Well clearly since those ideas weren't well received we won't be doing anything to motherships at all. Also, you can totally target paint ships that are immune to electronic warfare.
Players: WHAT NONSENSE IS THIS

Even as someone without a direct interest in the state of motherships, the way this has panned out is frankly appalling and makes me feel betrayed.
Most of all, though,
Originally by: CCP Nozh
As designers we need to do is take a few steps back, deliberate more (with your help), go through more testing (also with your help) and really perfect the Mothership redesign.

The deliberation and testing was already done. CCP Abathur did it. Please explain why they were undone.

FREE ABATHUR

Bihila
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:23:00 - [372]
 

CCP, I never post, I never whine, I just enjoy the game like it is.

BUT THIS... IS A SHAME!!!

Allan Corday
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:24:00 - [373]
 

Rotten shark is high in mercury content. It is to be consumed with caution. Mercury poising may lead to temporary insanity, and failure to recall basic facts; for example, the idea that target painters work on sieged dreads.


Sigras
Gallente
Conglomo
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:24:00 - [374]
 

here's the problem i see; now motherships are going to be destroyed in two volleys by a doomsday weapon.

Honestly, i see the need for a super long range capital logistics ship something like
150% bonus to Capital Shield and Armor transfer range per level

That would put the mothership far enough out of the fight as to not be easily ganked by the massive dreadnought fleets.

That plus a large HP increase would really give this ship a role.

Zaisig Murakk
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:24:00 - [375]
 

Good work on deciding to once again break the naglfar and make it worthless in 90% of situations. Just kidding. That was a horrible idea.

Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:25:00 - [376]
 

Abathur comes out with the original Mothership changes proposed for Dominion. As far as I am aware, everyone was happy with the preliminary numbers, and player testing didn't reveal any particularly horrific flaws.

Suddenly, the entire suite of changes was thrown out the window for a set that completely changed the mothership mechanic in a way that ticked off the majority of New Eden. Amidst the backlash, now all of the Mothership/Supercarrier changes have been thrown out the window.

What happened?

What was wrong with the first version of Supercarriers?


Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:25:00 - [377]
 

Edited by: Ice Fist on 20/11/2009 01:26:28
Originally by: Epofhis
I'm getting the feeling that water cooler/fishtank talks are going to be interesting at CCP HQ tomorrow... c/d?


Are you joking? Interesting watercooler talks means that our complaints would actually be reaching through their egotistical, thick skulls. Since our opinions don't really have much of an effect on them I would think that water cooler chat would be ohhh... the weather? the state of world economics? the hot receptionist downstairs? Anything but the game they're paid to make cool for us.

Minto Took
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:25:00 - [378]
 

Originally by: coeathal vega
jesus christ, what the **** is that... and what did you do with someone that actually had a GOOD IDEA OF HOW EVE WORKS ?

FREE SELEENE


When Goons and former-BoB agree on something, you know that something is horrifically wrong.

Toman Torax
Rage For Order
Nihil-Obstat
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:26:00 - [379]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Hello everyone,

While we all appreciate that this is a very hot topic item we would urge you to be constructive and on topic with your feedback. Personal attacks, flaming and trolling will not be permitted and posts of this nature will be removed by the Community team and may result in a warning or ban. We want you to discuss this issue but it must remain on topic and friendly.

We would also advise you that posting "٩๏̯͡๏)۶" or "Free Abathur" are considered spam and will also be removed.



Originally by: Toman Torax
What, exactly, do you want in this thread, now? For all of us to hold hands and sing kumbaya, in ignorant bliss?

Abathur proposed some nice changes. They were pretty fair and balanced. We tested them. We approved. Then YOU GUYS basically turned around and said "ah screw you guys, we're gonna do THIS instead, and we don't care what you guys think!"

How the hell did you expect us to react?

And now, after you scrap all that hard work, and throw out some ridiculous changes by someone who OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME HE WORKS ON, and get extreme backlash over it, how the hell do you expect us to react NOW?

Serious question: are you guys REALLY this clueless?


One of your DEVS proposed that we use target painters on ships that CAN'T BE TARGET PAINTED!

Do I really need to say anything more?

Yussef
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:26:00 - [380]
 

Is this all a plot to turn MoMs into some kind of target painting super weapon?

Telender
Reblier Innovations
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:27:00 - [381]
 

Edited by: Telender on 20/11/2009 01:28:20

Why is December 1st such an incredibly holy date? Why not simply admit that you guys are having a hard time putting everything together the way it needs to be and push the date back? The only thing the players care about are quality changes, and you guys act like the only thing that matters is meeting an arbitrary implementation deadline.


pr0tip: Stop making your devblogs have the tone of "THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO CHANGE" because we keep making the idiotic mistake of BELIEVING YOU. If you're just kicking around some ideas then just kick them around.

Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:27:00 - [382]
 

Edited by: Baaldor on 20/11/2009 01:28:15
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Hello everyone,

While we all appreciate that this is a very hot topic item we would urge you to be constructive and on topic with your feedback. Personal attacks, flaming and trolling will not be permitted and posts of this nature will be removed by the Community team and may result in a warning or ban. We want you to discuss this issue but it must remain on topic and friendly.

We would also advise you that posting "٩๏̯͡๏)۶" or "Free Abathur" are considered spam and will also be removed.




This would not be a "Hot Topic" if CCP actually had someone working on these changes that had the slightest clue of what they are talking about.




Reapeat Offender
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:28:00 - [383]
 

Why don't we just scrap the whole expansion since you've decided to remove one of the only things in it that you had gotten right.

٩๏̯͡๏)۶

Mioelnir
Minmatar
Cataclysm Enterprises
Ev0ke
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:29:00 - [384]
 

Originally by: CCP Nozh
As designers we need to do is take a few steps back, deliberate more (with your help), go through more testing (also with your help) and really perfect the Mothership redesign.


Given that so far the playerbase hasn't been given even one single word on why the thousands of hours of playtesting of Abathur's changes on Sisi were thrown in the trash by another developer without any warning or explanation, what exactly makes you even consider that any player is still willing to volunteer his time to constructively test new ship designs? Just to maybe have them thrown out 2 weeks before deployment again?

Vadinho
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:29:00 - [385]
 

Originally by: Baaldor
This would not be a "Hot Topic" if CCP actually had someone working on these changes that had the slightest clue on what they are talking about.
yeah really the 'hot topic' isnt that there are changes its that theyre all terrible and not thought out at all and this is coming out in under two weeks

William Romeo
Caldari
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:30:00 - [386]
 

This is so weak. CCP, don't let this fool ruin everything.

Dealer Dan
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:30:00 - [387]
 

why did you break the phoenix again

Hertford
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:30:00 - [388]
 

Dear CCP,

Your Capital Ships Game Designer, Nozh, thinks that titans, motherships, sieged dreads and anchored POS modules can be target painted.

Unironically, look at how stupid you are.

Henglar
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:30:00 - [389]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 20/11/2009 01:03:43
Target Painters
***Do NOT Work***
on Supercaps, Structures, or Sieged Caps




this.

And thanx for nerfing the phoenix even more!

Allan Corday
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:31:00 - [390]
 

Seriously, CCP Navigator, what's wrong with lil dude ٩๏̯͡๏)۶ ?

If CCP encourages player-driven and community storytelling, why do you discourage additions to the player lexicon?


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