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Bad Messenger
draketrain
Posted - 2009.11.17 16:01:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 17/11/2009 15:28:16
Originally by: Bad Messenger
Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
We ain't the ones losing pos's or moving our alt corp out of FW to save a pos or even using ALT corps to put safe (LOL) pos's up in low sec.





yeah you do not. You move our main corp out of fw trying to save pos and still lose it.


Hold on here boyo, I don't mind a bit of smack.. but in the immortal words of Rabbie Burns Scotland greatest poet? "What the **** are you talking about?"

Your going to have remind me of this one. As I know we have never left a POS. The only time we left FW was to kill a Caldari Alt Corp (who was not in the militia) and force the squids who were defending it to go blinky. As it turned out the stront time was bad for us and not much happened and we rejoined on the Sunday night, where a couple of weeks later it was taken down as we reinforced it every week.

So your facts, sir. ARE VERY WRONG. We have NEVER lost a POS in FW, out of FW or in fact EVER LOST A POS!

You may be mistaking us for you and your alt corp in villore?



So when you use game mechanics to get advantage it is all right but when others do that it is embarrassing? Rolling Eyes

Parmenides Elea
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
Posted - 2009.11.17 16:04:00 - [32]
 

I'll tell you what is embarrassing BM, thats making stuff up to excuse your own lame failures.


Bad Messenger
draketrain
Posted - 2009.11.17 16:09:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Parmenides Elea
I'll tell you what is embarrassing BM, thats making stuff up to excuse your own lame failures.




Lame failures? can you explain more?

EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2009.11.17 16:10:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 17/11/2009 16:12:08
when have we ever done it TROLL? Laughing

Just cause you heard it, don't make it true. I think someone has been listening to their propaganda just a little too much. PROOF or STFU TROLL!

pulling your alt corp out of FW when its pos was reinforced after making a song and dance about it being there is WITHOUT question!! the lamest move EVER by ANYONE in all of FW. Using neutral reppers, hot dropping pirate fleets on fights, bringing carriers to a BS Fleet, they can all be called lame.

BUT WHAT PERVS DID.. tops it all. It was LAME. we never have done that.. no MATTER what you may have heard. PROOF OR STFU TROLL!

Parmenides Elea
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
Posted - 2009.11.17 16:12:00 - [35]
 

How about you explain your blatant lying?

I won't go into the whole villore pos thing as you are still under the impression that you came out of that looking good, but then you have shown you have no grip on reality and just alter the facts to suit whatever twisted fantasy you have at the time.

Bad Messenger
draketrain
Posted - 2009.11.17 16:26:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 17/11/2009 16:12:08
when have we ever done it TROLL? Laughing

Just cause you heard it, don't make it true. I think someone has been listening to their propaganda just a little too much. PROOF or STFU TROLL!

pulling your alt corp out of FW when its pos was reinforced after making a song and dance about it being there is WITHOUT question!! the lamest move EVER by ANYONE in all of FW. Using neutral reppers, hot dropping pirate fleets on fights, bringing carriers to a BS Fleet, they can all be called lame.

BUT WHAT PERVS DID.. tops it all. It was LAME. we never have done that.. no MATTER what you may have heard. PROOF OR STFU TROLL!



OH! you think that was lame Laughing

Fact is that original plan was more lame than that. Maybe we should do it again and maybe gallente do not fail second time by wardecking alt corp too late so we can see what really will be lame.

Our villore pos operation was not fail, it went like we planned. it may be lame in some aspect but only who failed there was gallente. But as i said earlier we can set our own goals. Your goal were to drive caldari pos out of villore, that was success.

I can understand that you are mad because you did not get nice little pos mail on you board so your stats did not look so nice and all that shooting was for nothing.
Our plan was to shock gallente and that was success too.

EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2009.11.17 16:31:00 - [37]
 

It was a SHOCK and an excellent move. MAJOR KUDOS.. as said many times by us.

Pulling it out... LAME. Letting it die would still have got you kudos for doing such an epic thing.

Changing the subject after not finding proof of an allegation... LAME.

Orbiting a button for 20 minutes... LAME.

I'm seeing a pattern here.


Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.17 16:34:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 17/11/2009 16:37:57


Vote for Z0D and improve FW.

Just because it ****es Damar failcsm Rocarion and Bad Messenger off.

Oh by the way what is up with the Amarr/Minmatar front? Can't you Caldari capture anything there? Perhaps because you don't have uberNPCs on your side, and because the Minnies have found out about the same "tricks" your dozen alts have been using to win the Gallente war?

Bad Messenger
draketrain
Posted - 2009.11.17 16:35:00 - [39]
 

Orbiting gate 20 minutes waiting if someone want to jump and die.

plex is just same, you are baiting 20 minutes people to come in and die.

not much difference

Lupo Manaro
Posted - 2009.11.17 16:38:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Bad Messenger
Orbiting gate 20 minutes waiting if someone want to jump and die.

plex is just same, you are baiting 20 minutes people to come in and die.

not much difference


that actually makes sense...

EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2009.11.17 16:48:00 - [41]
 

but alas the NPC's don't help us, nor do we need our help.

BM your not on form today.. we can normally keep a debate going for a while and normally derail a thread much better than this. Even with this silly 5 minute rule.


Noskill McCheese
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.11.17 16:48:00 - [42]
 

lolwut? Dude, plexing is nothing to be proud of. Check out this advanced physics formula (straight from Stephen Hawking's Hawking Hole)

PVP > PVE

Greg6
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2009.11.17 17:01:00 - [43]
 

Oh so happy to help in the POS fight in Oicx as long as it runs. :)

And from both Bad Messenger and Evil Synn's posts wisdom emerges. Really, FW has no objectively defined victory conditions, like eve in general. Want to play for system occupancy? You can. Want to play for kills? You can. And, at heart, neither are any better, objectively, than the other.

It's all a matter of style, in the final analysis. Caldari are currently winning the system occupancy war. Gallente are currently winning the kill war. And, for all each side tries to say that their victory is the more meaningful of the two, they are both equally meaningless. And that's kind of cool, really. :)


Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.11.17 17:23:00 - [44]
 


What I learned from this thread is just how much I dislike the mechanics that allow entities to play wardec evasion games with reinforced POS.

Wardec should continue to be active for 24 hours after the reinforcement battle to prevent all this cheese.

Droog 1
Posted - 2009.11.17 17:32:00 - [45]
 

Nice to see Minnies there. Congrats everyone.

Originally by: Bad Messenger
Gallente is kinda confusing, they win all battles but still they lost war...


The last Gallente system fell 5/6 months ago and the kill boards are still filled with Caldari losses. Truth is, the loss of those systems has had zero/nil/no effect on the Gallente. All you have left are lame tactics designed to irritate/frustrate/bore the Gallente into leaving. As far as combat goes, the Caldari, mostly, suck.

Jin Gle
Asgardreia
Posted - 2009.11.17 18:01:00 - [46]
 

hehe pervs are still going on about the war Rolling Eyes


So why wasnt there a caldari fleet guys???

GavinGoodrich
Posted - 2009.11.17 18:09:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: GavinGoodrich on 17/11/2009 18:34:18
Regarding the carrier kills in oicx and heyd, I suppose both of us could play the "it wasn't mine anyway" as yours was neutral, and will never show up on Nibbletek loss boards as it wasn't even in Nibbletek. Hell it wasn't even in Faction Warfare. If anything it could show as a kill in your favor if you decided to toss a drone or a volley on it prior to deaggressing.

I wasn't even aware of said thanny doing POS-related stuff until I saw the lossmail, so he lost it on his own as far as I know. The dude isn't even in our cap channel so /shrug we can both easily say both carriers had nothing to do with us, right? Oh well.

Either way, 50/50 isk factor but we held the field. You knew about our backup, committed anyway, went for max kills. We knew about a triaged carrier, went for it anyway, spent a few battleships to get a carrier kill. Battle reports are biased to begin with as it rarely has BOTH sides of the story Cool, and our losses ARE posted, as Caldari baited that particular OP and absorbed most of the damage, vs. ops in Bleak Lands that the Amarr have played bait that did or didn't lead to capital kills.

Common trend in FW: For whatever reason YOU decide, you're a winner. Everyone else is a loser for refusing to play it your way.

Fabulous fight though.

Bad Messenger
draketrain
Posted - 2009.11.17 18:11:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

What I learned from this thread is just how much I dislike the mechanics that allow entities to play wardec evasion games with reinforced POS.

Wardec should continue to be active for 24 hours after the reinforcement battle to prevent all this cheese.



I agree that game mechanics do suck on highsec pos killings and wardecs. alliance corporations can evade pos destruction totally because you can not war dec those on time or even make vote ready for war if they decide to leave alliance.

But leaving fw is thing that you can take on count and you can vote and declare war on pos corporation before they leave militia so i think this issue is not so bad in militia. NPC militia members can not wardec corporations but neither can corporation wardec NPC corp too, so people who whine about that they cant wardec people when they are in npc militia corp should just look at mirror.

EVE has certain game mechanics and people should know those. It is only tactics to use those mechanics as they are. Exploits are different thing and i am personally against all exploits or things that are in grey area.

Leaving militia after pos is reinforced is thing that you can counter easily by wardecking pos corporation on time.

GavinGoodrich
Posted - 2009.11.17 18:17:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: GavinGoodrich on 17/11/2009 18:17:43
Originally by: Parmenides Elea
Thats not technically true Evil, BYDI did take down a small pos we had in tama. We never left militia to protect it however and as yet we have never lost a pos to the caldari or amarr.


This, for having the balls to follow through with said POS ugh

Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
Posted - 2009.11.17 18:47:00 - [50]
 

I can confirm that Bonus Melior Optimus did absolutely the right choice here. These "lame" things in the game are not going away without threadnaughts. The more people use tactics like logoffski, capital docking games and self destructs the faster we can get rid of them. So next time when you're on the field remind yourself to do just that. Do the lamest thing you can think off because who knows, maybe just that thread will get CCP's attention.

Mhorbaine
Beyond Divinity Inc
Posted - 2009.11.17 18:54:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: GavinGoodrich
Edited by: GavinGoodrich on 17/11/2009 18:17:43
Originally by: Parmenides Elea
Thats not technically true Evil, BYDI did take down a small pos we had in tama. We never left militia to protect it however and as yet we have never lost a pos to the caldari or amarr.


This, for having the balls to follow through with said POS ugh


lol i remember takin that pos down - wouldnt of wanted to get involved on the wolfy side seeing that ADHD/BYDI/Legion of darkness all had bs there... and that was when we were happily baiting/hotdroppin for fun.... plus it was right after DT so we manged to control tama for the duration :)

olzi
Caldari
NPC Corporation
Paisti Syndicate
Posted - 2009.11.17 19:01:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

Vote for ... Damar ...


Silvitni
In nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti
Posted - 2009.11.17 20:07:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Silvitni on 17/11/2009 20:08:26
Originally by: GavinGoodrich



Quote:
I suppose both of us could play the "it wasn't mine anyway"


Never said it was not ours.

Quote:
I wasn't even aware of said thanny doing POS-related stuff until I saw the lossmail, so he lost it on his own as far as I know.


There were 3-4 carriers from Cowbells doing pos stuff.

Quote:
Either way, 50/50 isk factor but we held the field.


To be anal, it was 52% in our favour Wink
With the carrier included. This is from your killboard.

Quote:
Battle reports are biased to begin with as it rarely has BOTH sides of the story Cool, and our losses ARE posted


Dont know where you wanna go with this. If you are saying we dont post losses, you´re wrong. We run and API daily, so our losses get posted eventually.

Quote:
Common trend in FW: For whatever reason YOU decide, you're a winner. Everyone else is a loser for refusing to play it your way.


Dunno.

We had fun and killed ****loads, but retreated before we lost more. I suppose that´s our success criteria.

Oh btw. I wonder what had happend, if we killed you first :)
Our FC did not call you primary, cause we wanted the fight no matter what Very Happy

silv

BacardiDesire
Perkone
Posted - 2009.11.17 20:32:00 - [54]
 

the OP is strongly aware that he created a threadnought after seeing 52 replies to his post

Lupo Manaro
Posted - 2009.11.17 20:53:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: BacardiDesire
the OP is strongly aware that he created a threadnought after seeing 52 replies to his post


in other words you're a troll.

CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2009.11.17 21:21:00 - [56]
 

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