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Michwich
Posted - 2009.11.12 15:23:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Michwich on 12/11/2009 15:23:49
Here's the deal

I want a Skill Training Que thats as long as my subscription. I want every millisecond of my paid for gametime to have a skill training.

In return, I will pay to not play this game. Thats right, you didnt misread. I will pay for my leave of absesnce from the game. I will pay a monthlyfee for a game im not playing. I wont play, but ill pay.

Because the alternative to paying and not playing, is not playing and not paying!!

So take your pick CCP, do you want players like me to cancel my sub when we take a break from the game? Or do you want us contine subcribing while we take our break? Well, you can have the latter, but you must give also - A skill training que for as long as your subcription is paid for.


But some of you might say, well I lost tonnes of time not remembering to set a skill, why should anyone else have it any easier?

That attitude has to change. Skill training is not a game to be won or lost where remembering is victory and forgeting is defeat. Repeat after me. Skill training que is not a game, its a convenience thats not fully convenient. CCP, lets make it conveniet and youll be rewarded.

Skill training que is not a game, its a convenience thats not fully convenient. CCP lets make it conveniet and youll be rewarded.





Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.11.12 15:25:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 12/11/2009 15:26:18
Can I keep your stuff while you are paying without playing?

Arthur Frayn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.12 15:25:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 12/11/2009 15:25:46
It's a good thing ultimatums don't mean sh*t to CCP.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.11.12 15:26:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Michwich
Edited by: Michwich on 12/11/2009 15:23:49
Here's the deal

I want a Skill Training Que thats as long as my subscription.


So, not very long then, since you cancelled it a few days ago.

Michwich
Posted - 2009.11.12 15:28:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Michwich
Edited by: Michwich on 12/11/2009 15:23:49
Here's the deal

I want a Skill Training Que thats as long as my subscription.


So, not very long then, since you cancelled it a few days ago.


I would resubscribe though. Thats the point. I wouldnt have cancelled payments if I could take my break and train skills. Thats the deal. You may not want me here but CCP sure does, I give them money.

Cognito Ergosum
Amarr
Vulkan Schiffbau und Maschinenfabrik AG
Posted - 2009.11.12 15:30:00 - [6]
 

I say we got back to the way it was for a while; no queue--just an alarm clock and a little dedication. Give it a week and if you make it then I'd rather doubt you'd complain about the 'short' skill queue.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.11.12 15:32:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Michwich
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Michwich
Edited by: Michwich on 12/11/2009 15:23:49
Here's the deal

I want a Skill Training Que thats as long as my subscription.


So, not very long then, since you cancelled it a few days ago.


I would resubscribe though. Thats the point. I wouldnt have cancelled payments if I could take my break and train skills. Thats the deal. You may not want me here but CCP sure does, I give them money.


But then you'd do yet another noisy emoquit the next time you saw some shiny you wanted and didn't have.

When a little brat like you throws a tantrum, the correct response is not to reward the brat but to ignore him. Thus the dev response to your post.

CCP Navigator


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.12 15:36:00 - [8]
 

Moved from General discussion.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2009.11.12 15:56:00 - [9]
 

Quote:
So take your pick CCP, do you want players like me to cancel my sub when we take a break from the game?


Yes, and they have made that abundantly clear.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.11.12 16:05:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Michwich
I want every millisecond of my paid for gametime to have a skill training.
Good news! We have a skill-change queue in the game now that allows you to do this.
Quote:
do you want players like me to cancel my sub when we take a break from the game?
Yes.
Quote:
Skill training is not a game to be won or lost where remembering is victory and forgeting is defeat.
So if you lose a few skill points here and there, it's not particularly critical, thus making a skill queue rather unnecessary.

Excellent. All problems solved! Very Happy

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2009.11.12 16:22:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Michwich
do you want players like me to cancel my sub


Yes and don't come back

1600 RT
Posted - 2009.11.12 16:34:00 - [12]
 

train a skill of 30+ days and you are ready to go

Alanea Winddancer
Posted - 2009.11.12 16:34:00 - [13]
 

Isn't it about time that Michwich is banned for consistent trolling? Unless CCP enjoys having him as a pet or something like that.

Tirus Sinobi
Posted - 2009.11.12 16:57:00 - [14]
 

Wow, how ungrateful are you?
You should be glad you got a training queue at all and quit your whining.

Quote:
I would resubscribe though. Thats the point. I wouldnt have cancelled payments if I could take my break and train skills. Thats the deal. You may not want me here but CCP sure does, I give them money.


I think you'll find CCP couldnt care less about you, what your asking for would take time and manpower, your subscription does not cover the cost of what you propose, and so if it came down to an "Ultimatum" as you so elequently put it... CCP are saving money by ignoring your "idea" and letting you leave.

Bye

mchief117
Posted - 2009.11.12 17:00:00 - [15]
 

theres a reasion there is this thing called are api code . get something like evemon and load your api into it , then bang you know exactly what your training and how long till you will have to log in to change a skill

ow and ccp wont care if 5% of there player base leaves as the rest of the base is still massive.

Zahorite
Posted - 2009.11.12 19:02:00 - [16]
 

Seriously, are you planning on taking a vacation somewhere without any internet connection for over a month.

If you knew you had a vacation coming up for a couple of weeks then you just make sure you have a skill that takes a couple of weeks to train ready. For instance Battleship lvl 5, any Tech II skill at level 5, any large gunnery skill lvl 5, etc. After you have been playing for a few months you should easily have some skills that would be useful that are going to take over a week to train, and I don't think it's to much trouble to login once a week and change your skill. I just started training Battleship 5 and it's taking 25 days, and that is with lvl 5 implants, all lvl 5 learning skills, and remapped to put all my points in perception and willpower.

A longer que would be nice, but going on vacation isn't a reason that you need it. As far as taking a break from the game, I've done that plenty of times and I just login every couple of weeks and set a really long skill to train, which means that I have a lot of lvl 5 skills.

Markus Reese
Caldari
New Eden Weekly Sentinel
Posted - 2009.11.12 19:17:00 - [17]
 

*Markus Reese votes to go back to a year ago when there was no skill queue!

CCP has the limited queue so that people don't just make feeder accounts so they can spam out characters to sell for isk. Eve rewards the loyal.

soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2009.11.12 21:03:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 12/11/2009 21:03:36
LaughingLLaughingOLaughingLLaughing

kongking wang
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.12 21:17:00 - [19]
 

you have a valid point. im moving soon and may have to cancel my subscription till i get myself up and running again. it is certainly an inconvinience. the alternative is to waste money on a partial training plan. which these days isnt viable. i dont see how an extended skill que would hurt eve. i think ccp would stand to make more money in the long run IMO

Reggie Stoneloader
Poofdinkles
Posted - 2009.11.12 21:21:00 - [20]
 

I put this right up there with AP to 0km. You give an inch...

Kara Sharalien
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2009.11.12 21:27:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Moved from General discussion.


This is Navigators careface.

Brechan Skene
Posted - 2009.11.12 22:03:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Michwich
Edited by: Michwich on 12/11/2009 15:23:49
Here's the deal

I want a Skill Training Que thats as long as my subscription. I want every millisecond of my paid for gametime to have a skill training.

In return, I will pay to not play this game. Thats right, you didnt misread. I will pay for my leave of absesnce from the game. I will pay a monthlyfee for a game im not playing. I wont play, but ill pay.

Because the alternative to paying and not playing, is not playing and not paying!!

So take your pick CCP, do you want players like me to cancel my sub when we take a break from the game? Or do you want us contine subcribing while we take our break? Well, you can have the latter, but you must give also - A skill training que for as long as your subcription is paid for.


But some of you might say, well I lost tonnes of time not remembering to set a skill, why should anyone else have it any easier?

That attitude has to change. Skill training is not a game to be won or lost where remembering is victory and forgeting is defeat. Repeat after me. Skill training que is not a game, its a convenience thats not fully convenient. CCP, lets make it conveniet and youll be rewarded.

Skill training que is not a game, its a convenience thats not fully convenient. CCP lets make it conveniet and youll be rewarded.




From your previous post I thought you have already raged quitTwisted Evil Something about being constantly suicide gnked in empire.

Would you like a tissue for your IssueTwisted Evil

Harney Pickett
Caldari
Outer Rim Oreworks Company
Galactic Republic Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.12 23:34:00 - [23]
 

Correction to Zahorite, it does not mean you do or do not have a lot of level 5 skills, but that you have trained some monster ranked skills. (i.e. Freighter Rank 10)... Sorry had to say it. Idea

Markus Reese
Caldari
New Eden Weekly Sentinel
Posted - 2009.11.13 00:40:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: kongking wang
you have a valid point. im moving soon and may have to cancel my subscription till i get myself up and running again. it is certainly an inconvinience. the alternative is to waste money on a partial training plan. which these days isnt viable. i dont see how an extended skill que would hurt eve. i think ccp would stand to make more money in the long run IMO


Well, from that point, when you consider that other games you receive nothing unless you are playing, ie experience, the fact that if you are gone for a month you can still have a long skill going is quite the feature.

Zahorite
Posted - 2009.11.13 02:48:00 - [25]
 

There was a legitimate reason to put in a 24 hour que, it really was a pain to say get 20 skills done that were all at lvl 1 or 2, unless you planned to be on for a few hours you just couldn't do it without breaks where you weren't training something, even if you were on people would forget to start a new skill after that nearly useless 8 minute skill finished.

Having a que that lasts as long as you have a subscription is just stupid. For one thing how is Eve going to know exactly how long your subscription is? Another problem is that as your 1 year subscription nears an end you would have a shorter and shorter que. So what are you going to do when you decide that you want to take a break from Eve and you only have 3 days left on your subscription before it renews, you'll be right back here asking for it to be extended past your current subscription.

So why not just go ahead and put an infinite skill que in the game. Sure not a horrible idea, except that what about that you still need to login to the game in order to buy and put new skill books in your que. Oh wait easy solution, it's already been suggested, let you inject the skills but not train them until you have trained the prereq's. So now you can leave the game for a couple of years and come back and have a really nice character, that's great, meanwhile you haven't been playing at all. And what happens if say the server that stores the que has an error and erases your que. Are you going to come back two years after and complain to Eve that your skill plan was erased and they should give you back the skill points.

Let's just leave it how it is. Seriously I move at least once a year, and it's pretty easy in today's world to get your internet setup, just call up your DSL company and within a couple of days they will come out and set it up for you. If it takes you 25 days to get internet when you move or you are taking a vacation for 25 days and can't get internet access on your laptop (can't imagine anyone taking over a three week vacation that doesn't have a laptop) that is just crazy. Eve shouldn't cater to the 1 in ten thousand people that have that problem when they should be working on the huge problems like the ones with the Dominion patch that are upsetting at least 1 in 10 of their players (and most of the rest just don't know about the changes or don't understand them).

Crewman Jenkins
Caldari
Malicious Demi-Lancers
Posted - 2009.11.13 05:09:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Cognito Ergosum
I say we got back to the way it was for a while; no queue--just an alarm clock and a little dedication. Give it a week and if you make it then I'd rather doubt you'd complain about the 'short' skill queue.


Kara Sharalien
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2009.11.13 07:44:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Crewman Jenkins
Originally by: Cognito Ergosum
I say we got back to the way it was for a while; no queue--just an alarm clock and a little dedication. Give it a week and if you make it then I'd rather doubt you'd complain about the 'short' skill queue.




agreed. i had no problem with the no skill queue.

a queue to bridge the end time is nice, but there was also something very special about setting your alarmclock at 2:45 AM to swap your skill over.

convenient? no.
uniquely EVE? yes.

Nico Terces
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.13 11:24:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Nico Terces on 13/11/2009 11:29:31
I remember the times when we had no trainingqueue. You couldnt imagine how annoying it was to plan new skills, when u had to wake up at 4am or something because you forgot to start training a longer skill for the night.

The current trainingskill queue basically is a blessing.

Edit: hit me for not reading all threads :p

Originally by: Kara Sharalien


agreed. i had no problem with the no skill queue.

a queue to bridge the end time is nice, but there was also something very special about setting your alarmclock at 2:45 AM to swap your skill over.

convenient? no.
uniquely EVE? yes.


I totally agree here :) It had its charm to go and wake up in the middle of the night and change your skills. My GF hated it though :P

Alexander Det1989
Caldari
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Chained Reactions
Posted - 2009.11.13 12:54:00 - [29]
 

Wait... so if they don't do anything you'll continue to pay the sub even if you don't play? What kind of threat is that lol?

Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.13 13:03:00 - [30]
 

Soooo I thought you were quitting?

more whining

What next... change wardecs or you'll quit? How about change invention sucess rates or you'll quit?

Laughing


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