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Vitelius
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.14 12:42:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Verone

Yeah, I love the Global Criminal flag one.

Kill something, get GCC.

Dock with GCC and be AFK for an hour for dinner.

Come back, no timers on screen, undock and get shot.




Had this happen to me too. It is beyond me what timer is still active after waiting over an hour.
Then there was also one time when I jumped into empire with a GCC in my pod, docked, hopped into a new ship, went afk for an hour and came back, undocked and the Navy NPCs were all over me - however no concord arrived, no station guns shot me AND my standings toward the faction weren't negative.

These aggro timers and mechanics clearly require fixing.

Icer Xx
Tempest Legion
Test Friends Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.11.14 12:46:00 - [92]
 

Verone is manly enough to commentate on tournaments, and at fanfest, where sir, is your testicular fortitude to do such a thing.......That's what i thought.Cool

Tista
Posted - 2009.11.14 13:10:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Icer Xx
Verone is manly enough to commentate on tournaments, and at fanfest, where sir, is your testicular fortitude to do such a thing.......That's what i thought.Cool


If I had the spare cash I'd be at the next fanfest taking down members off CCP rugby style until they said ok we will fix this 6 year old issue.

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Posted - 2009.11.14 14:45:00 - [94]
 

Interesting story...

In my Mega I had 7 minutes remaining "normal" agression timer, warped (from on grid) to a clear Villore gate in Old Man Star, spamming jump (odd session change timer in my logs), had a disconnect (perhaps due to a 60 man Caldari (enemy) fleet jumping into system from another gate), decided to go the pub thinking I'd probably be safe having 8 minutes of agression left *My Mistake*.

Log in next day to find myself in a pod at a safespot since a Veto gang (o/ Verone) had popped me 23 minutes after my agression, and dead on 15 minutes after the logout/disconnect.

Apparently if you log with an agression timer, a new 15 minute log-off agression timer starts. I don't ever remember reading this in my game instruction book. Oh wait...

I don't mind Eve being brutal and allowing this to happen, but the information and mechanics of how it all works needs officially documenting and pre-emptively given to players either with more on screen info (like timers), inclusion in tutorials, or a well presented and clear "manual" - rather than CCP "reactory" approach with GMs taking days to respond to endless amounts petitions to answer simple questions regarding mechanics.

So, although my story doesn't specificly relate to the same scenario I think it is symptomatic of the same issues as no info on timers. Would it really be so hard to give us more "official" information?

PS - Evelopedia/Player guide is poor imho

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2009.11.14 14:50:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Vitelius
Originally by: Verone

Yeah, I love the Global Criminal flag one.

Kill something, get GCC.

Dock with GCC and be AFK for an hour for dinner.

Come back, no timers on screen, undock and get shot.




Had this happen to me too. It is beyond me what timer is still active after waiting over an hour.
Then there was also one time when I jumped into empire with a GCC in my pod, docked, hopped into a new ship, went afk for an hour and came back, undocked and the Navy NPCs were all over me - however no concord arrived, no station guns shot me AND my standings toward the faction weren't negative.

These aggro timers and mechanics clearly require fixing.


The 1+ hour aggro timers are a seperate issue of which I didnt really want to confuse the dev with lol

But yes I have seen them as well, but only in empire (normaly after suicide ganking)

You can petition and a dev somehow "resets" your connection if it keeps happening

SKUNK

CCP Gangleri


Minmatar
Posted - 2009.11.14 15:17:00 - [96]
 

OK, so I came into the office today specifically to research this case (need to stop reading forums on Friday nights) and wasn't expecting anything really. I had heard of this issue before but never been able to reproduce it.

Took about an hour of warping to various stations (love those CONCORD stations in Egbinger) before one finally let me dock quickly enough to evade the sentries. Sure enough, after waiting for the timers to run out I undocked only to be blasted by sentry fire. Embarassed

I can't promise that it will be fixed in Dominion but we'll do our best.

Tista
Posted - 2009.11.14 15:23:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: CCP Gangleri
OK, so I came into the office today specifically to research this case (need to stop reading forums on Friday nights) and wasn't expecting anything really. I had heard of this issue before but never been able to reproduce it.

Took about an hour of warping to various stations (love those CONCORD stations in Egbinger) before one finally let me dock quickly enough to evade the sentries. Sure enough, after waiting for the timers to run out I undocked only to be blasted by sentry fire. Embarassed

I can't promise that it will be fixed in Dominion but we'll do our best.


Ace.

Bfoster
Appetite 4 Destruction
Posted - 2009.11.14 15:36:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: CCP Gangleri
Originally by: Bfoster

Exactly, but that timer is hidden. It will not show as a yellow timer.

The only time it doesn't create a hidden timer is if
A) they actually shoot you
B) you dock in a pod


So if you dock fast enough the timer will start in the background but will not show in the client?
Does the timer show once they start shooting you?

I'll try some more tomorrow but I have never been able to repro this in game, I would really appreciate if you could take some time to file a bug report including a logserver file and a screenshot of sentries shooting you without a timer. Put 'for CCP Gangleri' into the title to make sure it reaches me.


Here is a youtube video for your viewing pleasure.

Video

Lrrp
Minmatar
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.14 15:39:00 - [99]
 

In the interim, if you are in high sec as the op was, could you simply just undock in a pod to see if you have a red indicator in the overview? Pods can't be shot in high sec (unless war dec'd of course) so would be a fair way to find out?

Tista
Posted - 2009.11.14 15:46:00 - [100]
 

I've just posted all these details, including video evidence, and CCP Achnologing the issue.. if they say no to my reimbursment... can a member of CCP do it, or sack them please?


Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.11.14 16:15:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: Hixxy on 14/11/2009 16:21:05
Originally by: Tista
I've just posted all these details, including video evidence, and CCP Achnologing the issue.. if they say no to my reimbursment... can a member of CCP do it, or sack them please?




can't you just be happy you got a person from ccp to come in on the weekend to look at your problem? lame ass no good pirate thats no good at what he does. cry more.


ban him for an exploit imo.

Stil Harkonnen
Posted - 2009.11.14 16:24:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: CCP Gangleri
OK, so I came into the office today specifically to research this case (need to stop reading forums on Friday nights) and wasn't expecting anything really. I had heard of this issue before but never been able to reproduce it.

Took about an hour of warping to various stations (love those CONCORD stations in Egbinger) before one finally let me dock quickly enough to evade the sentries. Sure enough, after waiting for the timers to run out I undocked only to be blasted by sentry fire. Embarassed

I can't promise that it will be fixed in Dominion but we'll do our best.


YAY

Ban Doga
Posted - 2009.11.14 16:25:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: CCP Gangleri
OK, so I came into the office today specifically to research this case (need to stop reading forums on Friday nights) and wasn't expecting anything really. I had heard of this issue before but never been able to reproduce it.

Took about an hour of warping to various stations (love those CONCORD stations in Egbinger) before one finally let me dock quickly enough to evade the sentries. Sure enough, after waiting for the timers to run out I undocked only to be blasted by sentry fire. Embarassed

I can't promise that it will be fixed in Dominion but we'll do our best.


Kudos to you, good Sir, for going the extra mile!
That was truely remarkable...

Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.11.14 16:29:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: Hixxy on 14/11/2009 16:30:33
ccp knew about this 2+ years ago.

as such everyone who used is from that point on will be punished will they?

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2009.11.14 16:34:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: CCP Gangleri
OK, so I came into the office today specifically to research this case (need to stop reading forums on Friday nights) and wasn't expecting anything really. I had heard of this issue before but never been able to reproduce it.

Took about an hour of warping to various stations (love those CONCORD stations in Egbinger) before one finally let me dock quickly enough to evade the sentries. Sure enough, after waiting for the timers to run out I undocked only to be blasted by sentry fire. Embarassed

I can't promise that it will be fixed in Dominion but we'll do our best.


thank you very much for all your work

SKUNK

Stil Harkonnen
Posted - 2009.11.14 16:34:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Hixxy
Edited by: Hixxy on 14/11/2009 16:21:05
Originally by: Tista
I've just posted all these details, including video evidence, and CCP Achnologing the issue.. if they say no to my reimbursment... can a member of CCP do it, or sack them please?




can't you just be happy you got a person from ccp to come in on the weekend to look at your problem? lame ass no good pirate thats no good at what he does. cry more.


ban him for an exploit imo.


We asked CCP about a problem, and they answered they will try to fix it now that they know it exists.

The question is, what are YOU rambling about?


Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.11.14 16:37:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Stil Harkonnen
Originally by: Hixxy
Edited by: Hixxy on 14/11/2009 16:21:05
Originally by: Tista
I've just posted all these details, including video evidence, and CCP Achnologing the issue.. if they say no to my reimbursment... can a member of CCP do it, or sack them please?




can't you just be happy you got a person from ccp to come in on the weekend to look at your problem? lame ass no good pirate thats no good at what he does. cry more.


ban him for an exploit imo.


We asked CCP about a problem, and they answered they will try to fix it now that they know it exists.

The question is, what are YOU rambling about?





ccp knew people were using this exploit to evade concord.

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2009.11.14 16:39:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Hixxy


ccp knew people were using this exploit to evade concord.


lol I dont think you understand what this thread is about do you

SKUNK

Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.11.14 16:43:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Hixxy on 14/11/2009 16:44:03
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Hixxy


ccp knew people were using this exploit to evade concord.


lol I dont think you understand what this thread is about do you

SKUNK


dont act stupid, if that guy gets his ship back its as bad as the t2o blueprint gifting unless they want to give everyones isk back that this was used against them


lol next youll say you didnt know about it or how to do it?



Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2009.11.14 16:54:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: Le Skunk on 14/11/2009 16:55:49
Originally by: Hixxy
Edited by: Hixxy on 14/11/2009 16:44:03
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Hixxy


ccp knew people were using this exploit to evade concord.


lol I dont think you understand what this thread is about do you

SKUNK


dont act stupid, if that guy gets his ship back its as bad as the t2o blueprint gifting unless they want to give everyones isk back that this was used against them


lol next youll say you didnt know about it or how to do it?





The thread is about stations carrying hidden aggression timers. This has been explained, and replicated by a Dev who kindly looked into it for us despite a higher then average lunatic count in this thread.

Im not sure where your coming from here, I do not know of an exploit to evade concord and if there is one it is irrelevant to this thread.

If your talking about evading the "faction navies" then this is working as intended and irrelevant to this thread.

SKUNK

Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.11.14 16:56:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: Hixxy on 14/11/2009 16:57:02
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Hixxy
Edited by: Hixxy on 14/11/2009 16:44:03
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Hixxy


ccp knew people were using this exploit to evade concord.


lol I dont think you understand what this thread is about do you

SKUNK


dont act stupid, if that guy gets his ship back its as bad as the t2o blueprint gifting unless they want to give everyones isk back that this was used against them


lol next youll say you didnt know about it or how to do it?





The thread is about stations carrying hidden aggression timers. This has been explained, and replicated by a Dev who kindly looked into it for us.

Im not sure where your coming from here, I do not know of an exploit to evade concord and if there is one it is irrelevant to this thread.

If your talking about evading the "faction navies" then this is working as intended and irrelevant to this thread.

SKUNK



i didn't know about it either right. let's all forget about it. 1 less cheat anyway.

****ing lamers

Mkiaki
Gallente
Progressive Business Solutions
Posted - 2009.11.14 17:01:00 - [112]
 

Edited by: Mkiaki on 14/11/2009 17:02:44
CCP in admitting they're wrong shocker... Shocked now can you do the same for the sov and SC changes?

Abrazzar
Posted - 2009.11.14 17:02:00 - [113]
 

This looks like a classic case of the server being always right but just not telling the client. On the server logs, it will show the pilot undocking with a aggression timer running and getting blown up.

It does not show if the client actually displayed the timer or ever got that info. So for reimbursement petitions in this scenario this means, they always have to be rejected because the events of the bug cannot be verified through the logs.

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2009.11.14 17:04:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Hixxy


i didn't know about it either right. let's all forget about it. 1 less cheat anyway.

****ing lamers



Ok so your trolling. I suspected last post but gave you the benefit of the doubt due to your posting history being fairly reasonable.

Now you have been outed as a troll however, I will not be responding to you in the rest of this thread.

Please be warned, that if I discover you trolling three times - you will be put on the black list and not be responded to every again.

SKUNK

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2009.11.14 17:04:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: CCP Gangleri
OK, so I came into the office today specifically to research this case (need to stop reading forums on Friday nights) and wasn't expecting anything really. I had heard of this issue before but never been able to reproduce it.

Took about an hour of warping to various stations (love those CONCORD stations in Egbinger) before one finally let me dock quickly enough to evade the sentries. Sure enough, after waiting for the timers to run out I undocked only to be blasted by sentry fire. Embarassed

I can't promise that it will be fixed in Dominion but we'll do our best.


Nice one, Gangleri, hope you get it sorted ugh

And kudos to Bfoster for posting the video proof. Wink

CCP Gangleri


Minmatar
Posted - 2009.11.14 17:05:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Tista
I've just posted all these details, including video evidence, and CCP Achnologing the issue.. if they say no to my reimbursment... can a member of CCP do it, or sack them please?




I'm just a lowly tester so I can't answer for the GM's, but since this is a client side glitch I would have to guess their logs show nothing wrong. On the server side it will simply look like you undocked too quickly.

Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.11.14 17:06:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Mkiaki
Edited by: Mkiaki on 14/11/2009 17:02:44
CCP in admitting they're wrong shocker... Shocked now can you do the same for the sov and SC changes?


where?

Max Romeo
Posted - 2009.11.14 17:06:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: CCP Gangleri
Confirmed etc etc


I'd like to thank you for putting the time in - and most of all for providing feedback in person and promptly. Good to see for a change!

Perhaps it should be the case that apon undocking the server queries if the player undocking has any flags at all (this remvoes the 'invisible' part that is client side not knowing about the case) - if there are flags the player is asked if he is sure he wants to undock.

While it isnt a fix, it will cover unknown cases where similar things can happen - that will help avoid needless losses and petitions and get more bugs fixed.

Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.11.14 17:12:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Hixxy


i didn't know about it either right. let's all forget about it. 1 less cheat anyway.

****ing lamers



Ok so your trolling. I suspected last post but gave you the benefit of the doubt due to your posting history being fairly reasonable.

Now you have been outed as a troll however, I will not be responding to you in the rest of this thread.

Please be warned, that if I discover you trolling three times - you will be put on the black list and not be responded to every again.

SKUNK


your saying you didn't know about it? you were always a lamer and that wont ever change(set more cans at a gate moar). if you didn't i did and as such some people have been using it as an exploit in my opinion. if the op is reinbursed so should all the others that this was used against.

Mkiaki
Gallente
Progressive Business Solutions
Posted - 2009.11.14 17:13:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Hixxy
Originally by: Mkiaki
Edited by: Mkiaki on 14/11/2009 17:02:44
CCP in admitting they're wrong shocker... Shocked now can you do the same for the sov and SC changes?


where?


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