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ISK Launderer
Posted - 2009.11.12 05:36:00 - [1]
 

title says it all, solo or very small gang. my basic question is armor tank or shield buffer for gank? any fit postings would be great. thanks


Trader Jjenna
Posted - 2009.11.12 05:55:00 - [2]
 

Both - seriously. The Harbinger is a frightful BC when fit with pulse and either an armor or shield buffer. Most pilots in nulsec fit for buffer (plates) instead of active tanking when it comes to a BC because (1) the amount you will be able to rep will not make up for what you could have had in buffer and (2) active tanking can be completely shut down with neuts, and (3) even when not neuted when you are MWDing around your cap may already be low.

Now to answer your question - seriously - TRY both. Try a plated trimarked slow but sturdy Harby and then try one with shield buffer. The trimarked one will have more ehp, be able to field a web, point, mwd, and something else useful (cap booster, sensor booster, etc.) but it will be slow. A shield buffy version can move faster but will lack the mid slot functionality.

With insurance BC are not horrible to lose (really just your fittings and a little more) so have fun trying both.


Leather Jack
Kernite Commando
Posted - 2009.11.12 07:41:00 - [3]
 

Ok, I'll try both.
Thanks for a good answer.

W0wbagger
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2009.11.12 12:57:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Leather Jack
Ok, I'll try both.
Thanks for a good answer.


but not both at once! :P

Leather Jack
Kernite Commando
Posted - 2009.11.12 17:19:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: W0wbagger
Originally by: Leather Jack
Ok, I'll try both.
Thanks for a good answer.


but not both at once! :P

Laughing

rodensteiner
Amarr
OMGROFLSTOMP
Posted - 2009.11.12 17:34:00 - [6]
 

I've flown shield buffer, armor buffer, and active armor repper Harbingers. I love how nimble (relatively speaking) the Shield buffer Harbinger is, but it's not hardy enough. With two T2 LSE's and 3 extender rigs, it still dies quickly, simply because the resists aren't there.

The plated (and trimarked) Harbinger will probably be your best bet. Yes, it's slow as all get out, but you'll have all 4 midslots available for propulsion and tackling mods, and it'll have really good EHP with decent resists.

SwineFlu H1N1
Posted - 2009.11.12 22:41:00 - [7]
 

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Sorry, just thought I'd troll OP's thread the same way he trolls everyone else.Laughing

SwineFlu H1N1
Posted - 2009.11.13 00:37:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: SwineFlu H1N1 on 13/11/2009 00:36:50

Nalena Arlath
Posted - 2009.11.13 01:39:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: rodensteiner
I've flown shield buffer, armor buffer, and active armor repper Harbingers. I love how nimble (relatively speaking) the Shield buffer Harbinger is, but it's not hardy enough. With two T2 LSE's and 3 extender rigs, it still dies quickly, simply because the resists aren't there.

The plated (and trimarked) Harbinger will probably be your best bet. Yes, it's slow as all get out, but you'll have all 4 midslots available for propulsion and tackling mods, and it'll have really good EHP with decent resists.


You don't use shield extender rigs when you are fitting shield buffer on a BC. Try putting in 2 x +EM rigs and 1 x +Therm. Your performance will be much better. I've flown a dual-LSE hurricane with resist rigs and it's brilliant.

Not adding the resists will ensure that your so-called "buffer" is shredded in notime. Even an active tank would be better than a waste-buffer without resists.

Zaius Caine
Posted - 2009.11.13 01:51:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: SwineFlu H1N1
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Sorry, just thought I'd troll OP's thread the same way he trolls everyone else.Laughing


This cracked me up. Check out the OP recent posts and you will see why. LOL

Lucian Mortimer
Spacecataz.
Posted - 2009.11.13 04:47:00 - [11]
 

I recommend that you go shield buffer for any kind of gang work, and armor tanked, with trimarks, for solo work - the latter being very, very slow.

ISK Launderer
Posted - 2009.11.13 05:43:00 - [12]
 

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AMEN BROTHER. QFT. ^^^^^^^^^

Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2009.11.13 11:07:00 - [13]
 

Armor tanking for smaller gangs/fleets really. The extra midslots lend themselves better in smaller fleets than the shield tanked version, and it makes you more flexible in general to be armor tanked.

Active tanking is hard to pull off on a Harbinger. Lasers and the fact you need to use your MWD to dictate range on most targets uses a lot of cap and the lack of armor tanking bonus hurts as well.

Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
Posted - 2009.11.13 11:35:00 - [14]
 

Plated, trimarked Harbinger handles like a diseased whale and has the speed to match.

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2009.11.13 11:52:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Gypsio III
Plated, trimarked Harbinger handles like a diseased whale and has the speed to match.


I actually have one of those, and I must say I can confirm this.

It's not going anywhere.

That doesn't mean it is useless, but it does mean it's not terribly suited to solo-pvp. You can dish out a metric F-ton of hurt in a harbinger, but don't expect to catch anything that doesn't come to you, or to escape when pinned down (you can partially circumvent this by the use of ECM drones instead of damage drones).

I mostly use mine in gank situations where I can get a warp-in from a gangmate tackler. To this end I've replaced my MWD with an AB so it's useable in missions, but i pretty much never need/want to use the AB beyond that.

TL;DR trimark+plateharb turns like a FAT BS and is not very well suited to solo PVP

Pharaoh XXIII
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.11.13 15:51:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: SwineFlu H1N1
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Sorry, just thought I'd troll OP's thread the same way he trolls everyone else.Laughing



lol!

Dalek Commander
Posted - 2009.11.13 23:55:00 - [17]
 

I use this for small gang work. Its a heavy tackler to take over after a ceptor tackles someone. Rig it for your tastes, but I usually put on 3 trimarks for better lasting power.

[Harbinger, Gank Harbinger]
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Medium Armor Repairer II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Medium F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost, Cap Booster 400

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
[empty high slot]



Hornet EC-300 x5
Warrior II x5

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2009.11.14 00:31:00 - [18]
 

I don't understand people who find it so problematic to fly solo with a plated Harbinger. The only disability you're going to have is dying in camps, but so will pretty much any fit.

But don't see a problem otherwise. You'll get to, what, 1200-ish m/s with heat? That's decent enough tbh. Won't be catching nanohacs and stuff, but w/e.

Don't see why on earth would you ever fit a AB on a Harbinger however.



 

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