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casai
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Posted - 2009.11.16 19:25:00 - [1381]
 

Originally by: Sajeera

Its not like every new pilot will jump from Ibis to Wyvern, you need years of training and tons of money to be able to afford one anyway.

Just my opinion, flame on....


just need carrier lvl 3 and its not soo expensive anymore to fly these


Shepard Book
Posted - 2009.11.16 19:26:00 - [1382]
 

I like all the recent changes. I would say buff the dps on each fighter bomber themselves and not buckle to the more fight bombers deployed IF the DPS needs to go up. Reason being to help with lag. Keep up the good work!

Agmar
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.11.16 19:35:00 - [1383]
 

I'm looking for Nozh's dev blog, but I'm not finding it. The last minute is not the right time to implement massive changes.

What's wrong with sticking to what everyone agreed to be good, THEN assess the need for a nerf or change later?

cpu939
Gallente
Volatile Nature
White Noise.
Posted - 2009.11.16 19:39:00 - [1384]
 

Originally by: Agmar
I'm looking for Nozh's dev blog, but I'm not finding it. The last minute is not the right time to implement massive changes.

What's wrong with sticking to what everyone agreed to be good, THEN assess the need for a nerf or change later?


that would need ccp to use logic

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2009.11.16 19:41:00 - [1385]
 

ok I have a thing to say.

For all the ccp devs who dont want to read the past 47 pages here is a quick summary of everything.


First, why the vets are angry.

Arrow Nerfing the cost requirements is a slap in the face of your customers. You have insulted them, and the people who produce those super caps by saying, Instead of being the pround few who can pilot or produce these marvelous ships, we are going to make this end game material like all the other mmo's and make it easy access for anyone to have.
Devs - EvE Online has NEVER been great because it is easy, it is great because all pilots work their butts off to get the ship of their dreams, or be apart of something great. If stuff is cheap and the skills are easy to get then what is the point of working for the end game goals if they are easy to get. DO THE RIGHT THING, raise the cost up again by adding in the clone vat bay, and keep it at ~16 billion.

EvE community - granted super capital pilots are the minority in eve, but they are also the ones that generally run the corps or have substantial assets or are directors in corps. Please be respectful of their opinions, they are leaders for a reason.

Arrow2nd point unhappy nerf
Super capitals are super capitals for a reason, they are to be 10-100 greater than nomral caps. With nerfs like this a mothership is just a super expensive carrier and a titan would be nothing more that a paper weight.

Super caps are there to strike fear into people. When motherships are fielded its mor fun to here "OH @#!%@#!%! motherships on the field, everyone warp out and regroup and get some support in here" Not, "oh look is a guy flying a mothership, how cute, guys new primary."

So devs once again do the right thing, +3 drones per level, keep the clone vat and the super triage modules on them. If you want to mess with the dps, mess with bomber bandwidth, not the drone control amount.


This is EvE online this is about internet spaceships, and the pride that comes with them. This game IS NOT supposed to be easy or have any sort of instant gratification.

Do the right thing.

Magna Star
Posted - 2009.11.16 19:46:00 - [1386]
 

is it true that Super Carriers will be able to dock in an NPC stations (I havent read the 47 page thread)

Quamar Marib
Posted - 2009.11.16 19:47:00 - [1387]
 

Originally by: cpu939

remember he doesn't care about the ms pilot player base all he cares about is bumming down eve to get new players in next thing you'll see is the capital skill books costing 36m for capital ship 40m for carrier 8m for dread and 450m for titan



and when this backfires like with NGE - well, he's not responsible, he only meant good, and by the way, give him the bonus and the stock options, he worked hard, had to silence half of dev team and most of the community, he deserves that.


Odda
Gallente
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.16 19:50:00 - [1388]
 

So today now on sisi they have implemented the Cost reduction, but not added more drones!

CCP you shuld realy start listeing to players, not just those who reads papers.

Fluffy Pillows
Posted - 2009.11.16 19:53:00 - [1389]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
ok I have a thing to say.

Good Stuff went here - Really salient point left below..

This is EvE online this is about internet spaceships, and the pride that comes with them. This game IS NOT supposed to be easy or have any sort of instant gratification.

Do the right thing.


I appreciate the sales perspective of ease of access. But I have to agree with Obsidian on why a lot of us play.. Because it takes time and effort to achieve success.


Serena Ku
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.16 20:05:00 - [1390]
 

Edited by: Serena Ku on 16/11/2009 20:18:47
Originally by: Fluffy Pillows
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
ok I have a thing to say.

Good Stuff went here - Really salient point left below..

This is EvE online this is about internet spaceships, and the pride that comes with them. This game IS NOT supposed to be easy or have any sort of instant gratification.

Do the right thing.


I appreciate the sales perspective of ease of access. But I have to agree with Obsidian on why a lot of us play.. Because it takes time and effort to achieve success.




And that is why many of us stayed, CCP design and marketing is brilliant.. you kept us on the hook for a long time despite some hilarious design flaws or nerfs.

But making Supercarriers easy and cheap to own? See what I mean? ugh

Edit: I have been trying them in Sisi, trying to like the changes... but wow it's just so impotent and needs Viagra. Embarassed

Axel Terizaki
Posted - 2009.11.16 20:07:00 - [1391]
 

OK
stop smoke ccp guys :x
you will put 10b in my wallet to compensate the isk loss ?
i don't care about docking, i just want that my ****ing nyx stay a valid ship ! (with 20 drones !)

Severion Atarkos
Posted - 2009.11.16 20:35:00 - [1392]
 

Edited by: Severion Atarkos on 16/11/2009 20:40:36
wow really?...still no reply from CCP on this? I think we would like to hear something from a SENIOR dev or someone who's actually played the game.

John Zorg
Caldari
The Damned Legion
Posted - 2009.11.16 20:45:00 - [1393]
 

The Devs did say they will have a dev blog soon. Will need to wait and see I guess.

Hatsumi Kobayashi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.16 20:53:00 - [1394]
 

Originally by: McFly
10.28.2009: CCP Abathur: Supercarriers will not be docking in Dominion. If this ever happens it will be the result of a very expensive infrastructure or outpost upgrade.

<----What Happened here? Did Nozh stuff Abathur into a trunk somewhere and take the reins?

11.13.2009: CCP Nozh: Super Carrier Changes: Can dock at stations



Free Abathur

Pasha Cracken
Caldari
The Maverick Navy
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.16 21:20:00 - [1395]
 

Iw as going to start training caldari carrer 5 and fighters 5.

Im actually glad I havent yet. It would seem like a complete waste of time.

Ill stick to my chimera after learning about this. Its pathetic and a slap in the face for other mom pilots that have spent the months it takes to train those skills, and pay 16-20 bln for the ship.

This is unacceptable.

Thargorr
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.11.16 21:21:00 - [1396]
 

Soooo now that Titans are useless and Motherships are just regular ole' carriers what's the point of HICs (who were introduced as the one shiptype that could tackle supercaps)?

karnor hulltanker
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.16 21:24:00 - [1397]
 

CCP !!!!!

you guys really don't have a clue do you :p

Fix this **** quickly please

Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2009.11.16 22:07:00 - [1398]
 

Originally by: Thargorr
Soooo now that Titans are useless and Motherships are just regular ole' carriers what's the point of HICs (who were introduced as the one shiptype that could tackle supercaps)?


Well, they still are the only shiptype that can tackle supercaps in lowsec, pretty much the only viable gate tackler for small outlaw gangs and the only tackler that ignores warpcore stabs. I cant actually remember having ever tackled a supercap in mine.


About the recent changes, what I have the biggest issue to see the reason for are

- reduced build cost: makes them too affordable, its supposed to be an effort getting into one, and 6-9bill arent all that much.

- docking: thats just opening a huge can of worms regarding the ever popular docking games, no sane person will deny there is a big issue there. Also platinum insurance additionaly reduces the loss factor way too much, sure they should be used on the field but losing one should mean something.


About the damage output I'm not really sure, +2 fighters / lvl seems decent given the huge HP boost they got, and taking into account they are meant to be used against capitals now reducing dps against subcaps isnt really that horrible.

Damage output against dreads would need to be looked at though, easiest fix for that one would be a flat 1k increase in sig radius from the siege module.

Karlemgne
Tides Of War
Posted - 2009.11.16 22:16:00 - [1399]
 

Originally by: Quamar Marib
Originally by: cpu939

remember he doesn't care about the ms pilot player base all he cares about is bumming down eve to get new players in next thing you'll see is the capital skill books costing 36m for capital ship 40m for carrier 8m for dread and 450m for titan



and when this backfires like with NGE - well, he's not responsible, he only meant good, and by the way, give him the bonus and the stock options, he worked hard, had to silence half of dev team and most of the community, he deserves that.




Yes, you are so right. Changing a ship that exactly 426 people out of 200,000 fly is exactly analogous to the NGE in SWG. Rolling Eyes

Mkiaki
Gallente
Progressive Business Solutions
Posted - 2009.11.16 22:19:00 - [1400]
 

Edited by: Mkiaki on 16/11/2009 22:19:27
Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: Quamar Marib
Originally by: cpu939

remember he doesn't care about the ms pilot player base all he cares about is bumming down eve to get new players in next thing you'll see is the capital skill books costing 36m for capital ship 40m for carrier 8m for dread and 450m for titan



and when this backfires like with NGE - well, he's not responsible, he only meant good, and by the way, give him the bonus and the stock options, he worked hard, had to silence half of dev team and most of the community, he deserves that.








Yes, you are so right. Changing a ship that exactly 426 people out of 200,000 fly is exactly analogous to the NGE in SWG. Rolling Eyes


The pilots of those ships are getting all teary eyed about not being so elite.

it's a game with pixels, grow a ****in pair.

Kate Pole
Posted - 2009.11.16 22:24:00 - [1401]
 

Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: Quamar Marib
Originally by: cpu939

remember he doesn't care about the ms pilot player base all he cares about is bumming down eve to get new players in next thing you'll see is the capital skill books costing 36m for capital ship 40m for carrier 8m for dread and 450m for titan



and when this backfires like with NGE - well, he's not responsible, he only meant good, and by the way, give him the bonus and the stock options, he worked hard, had to silence half of dev team and most of the community, he deserves that.




Yes, you are so right. Changing a ship that exactly 426 people out of 200,000 fly is exactly analogous to the NGE in SWG. Rolling Eyes


426 people... ok well
How about the miners, builders, researchers, faction/officer ect mods, anyone involved in the market etc....etc.... so while only a "few" may fly them MANY are part of the processes. So CCP Screwing over people who have one or would want one will decrease demand there buy lowering the need for mins and not buying the mods .. its a snow ball effect

Karlemgne
Tides Of War
Posted - 2009.11.16 22:25:00 - [1402]
 

Originally by: Tappits

They are an end game ship used (read sat in at a pos for months) by end game players


Please enlighten us all, what exactly is an "end game player" in eve? Last time I looked, eve was a sandbox and there really wasn't any such thing as "end game."

Or maybe I just didn't get the message, because as a 4 year old player with over 60 million skill points I've never so much as contemplated wanting to fly one of these large epeens. For that matter I'd rather have my eyes gouged out than have to play the game like most of the 0.0 "end gamers" do.

My point is, stop ****ing considering what you do "end game." Stop thinking that you have the right to dictate to people what should or should not be "end game."

Seriously. The one thing I've had enough of in this thread is people with over inflated senses of their own position in the imaginary "eve universe" dictating to the rest of us what the game, and motherships, are supposed to be about.


Fogy
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.16 22:28:00 - [1403]
 

Edited by: Fogy on 16/11/2009 22:36:34
Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: Quamar Marib
Originally by: cpu939

remember he doesn't care about the ms pilot player base all he cares about is bumming down eve to get new players in next thing you'll see is the capital skill books costing 36m for capital ship 40m for carrier 8m for dread and 450m for titan



and when this backfires like with NGE - well, he's not responsible, he only meant good, and by the way, give him the bonus and the stock options, he worked hard, had to silence half of dev team and most of the community, he deserves that.




Yes, you are so right. Changing a ship that exactly 426 people out of 200,000 fly is exactly analogous to the NGE in SWG. Rolling Eyes


Do you realy fail to see that the low number of this shiptype was due to it's incredibly nerfed status?

Do thous numbers include ships built, in production, orderd but not built yett, or planed to aquierd, since the initial patchblog and changes were put in place by CCP Abathur?

With your logic, CCP should dropp the cost of titans aswell.. What a grate game we would end up with.. Rolling Eyes

Karlemgne
Tides Of War
Posted - 2009.11.16 22:33:00 - [1404]
 

Originally by: Kate Pole
Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: Quamar Marib
Originally by: cpu939

remember he doesn't care about the ms pilot player base all he cares about is bumming down eve to get new players in next thing you'll see is the capital skill books costing 36m for capital ship 40m for carrier 8m for dread and 450m for titan



and when this backfires like with NGE - well, he's not responsible, he only meant good, and by the way, give him the bonus and the stock options, he worked hard, had to silence half of dev team and most of the community, he deserves that.




Yes, you are so right. Changing a ship that exactly 426 people out of 200,000 fly is exactly analogous to the NGE in SWG. Rolling Eyes


426 people... ok well
How about the miners, builders, researchers, faction/officer ect mods, anyone involved in the market etc....etc.... so while only a "few" may fly them MANY are part of the processes. So CCP Screwing over people who have one or would want one will decrease demand there buy lowering the need for mins and not buying the mods .. its a snow ball effect


Right, because so much of the total amount of minerals mined in this game go to super cap production. Similarly, there are SOOO many people who own these BPOs and research them.

Besides which, as we've already established we'd see a proliferation of these on TQ if this change went live.

So even IF "miners" are affected, it won't be adversely. You know, higher demand for the ship means higher demand for the minerals to build them, as well as higher demand for the blueprints to make them (so it seems your poor researchers in this scenario aren't hurt as badly either)?

As for the officer loot market, don't make me laugh. Like the current costs of officer mods will decrease. Please. Or as if the super rich won't continue to buy them.

Seems the only people affected directly by this change are still the 426 people who actually own them already. In which case, I continue to argue that comparing this change to the NGE is ****ing ridiculous.

And by the way, that's ignoring all of the other things that affected a lot more people that were supposed to be eve's "NGE"--like the speed nerf and the Falcon nerf. Rolling EyesLaughing

Ne0tr0n
Posted - 2009.11.16 22:35:00 - [1405]
 

Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: Tappits

They are an end game ship used (read sat in at a pos for months) by end game players


Please enlighten us all, what exactly is an "end game player" in eve? Last time I looked, eve was a sandbox and there really wasn't any such thing as "end game."

Or maybe I just didn't get the message, because as a 4 year old player with over 60 million skill points I've never so much as contemplated wanting to fly one of these large epeens. For that matter I'd rather have my eyes gouged out than have to play the game like most of the 0.0 "end gamers" do.

My point is, stop ****ing considering what you do "end game." Stop thinking that you have the right to dictate to people what should or should not be "end game."

Seriously. The one thing I've had enough of in this thread is people with over inflated senses of their own position in the imaginary "eve universe" dictating to the rest of us what the game, and motherships, are supposed to be about.




so you consider the 2 largest ships in eve with the most effort in bilding/grinding isk/logistics/what ever, not to be "end game"?

makes sense

Karlemgne
Tides Of War
Posted - 2009.11.16 22:39:00 - [1406]
 

Edited by: Karlemgne on 16/11/2009 22:44:24
Edited by: Karlemgne on 16/11/2009 22:43:40
Edited by: Karlemgne on 16/11/2009 22:39:19
Originally by: Fogy
Edited by: Fogy on 16/11/2009 22:32:13
Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: Quamar Marib
Originally by: cpu939

remember he doesn't care about the ms pilot player base all he cares about is bumming down eve to get new players in next thing you'll see is the capital skill books costing 36m for capital ship 40m for carrier 8m for dread and 450m for titan



and when this backfires like with NGE - well, he's not responsible, he only meant good, and by the way, give him the bonus and the stock options, he worked hard, had to silence half of dev team and most of the community, he deserves that.




Yes, you are so right. Changing a ship that exactly 426 people out of 200,000 fly is exactly analogous to the NGE in SWG. Rolling Eyes


Do you realy fail to see that the low number of this shiptype was due to it's incredibly nerfed status?

Do thous numbers include ships built since the initial patchblog and changes were put in place by CCP Abathur?

With your logic, CCP should dropp the cost of titans aswell.. What a grate game we would end up with.. Rolling Eyes


Sure, okay, fine. Explain to me exactly then, if 426 people fly them now, and more will fly them after the patch, how is this change ANYTHING like the NGE in SWG?

You know what the NGE is right? Where SOE completely changed how the entire combat system in SWG worked?

Just lay off the comparisons to the NGE. They just make you look dumb.

*edit

I don't even think Titans should be in game, tbh. They were broken then, they're broken now, and their proliferation is one of the worst things that ever happened to this game.

Suffice it to say, in this circumstance, however, I think they're different animals. Titan's still operate as the jump bridging super-ship of alliances. I'm fine if they remain in the hands of alliances only.

However, they want to transform supercarriers into anti-capital ship platforms. In that case, since this has become capital ship online, and those of us NOT in mega-alliances need to combat hotdrops on cruiser fights, then I think the changes to mothers is justified.

That's my opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. What I am not doing is threatening to close my accounts, declaring that the game is dead, or telling other people they don't the right to their opinions because they're not "end gamers."

Vire Amarr
Amarr
Kernel of War
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.16 22:43:00 - [1407]
 

Edited by: Vire Amarr on 16/11/2009 22:43:36
CCP allways proceed the same way when they nerf stuff

1) do a big stupid nerf that was not the real aim.
2) let people concerned by this ship go rable rable rable ..
3)Set up the real change they wanted to do
4) Let others people point out people that were concerned as a minority so that the community goes : Finally that nerf is fine, and F... off for the people that were using the ship concerned.
5) CCP is happy
6) We are FCKED


People no concerned by having or wanting a Mothership, dont point out others because your are not interested or because you "hate" "powerplayer"
When the nerfbat will come for your ass, you'll be very happy to have the support of all.

Doing this you are been the puppet of CCP and help CCP doing what they want and giving you the illusion that you decide.


Is it necessary to remind you all guyz what ccp means ?

Crowd Controle Program

I'm pretty sure that they know how to impose stuff and let people think they had an impact on it.

Before throwing stuff to each other, throw them both to CCP when so stupid stuff is going on

Cain m
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2009.11.16 22:50:00 - [1408]
 

Actually it's Crowd Control Productions aka ****s Counting Profits

Karlemgne
Tides Of War
Posted - 2009.11.16 22:51:00 - [1409]
 

Edited by: Karlemgne on 16/11/2009 22:52:25
Originally by: Ne0tr0n
Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: Tappits

They are an end game ship used (read sat in at a pos for months) by end game players


Please enlighten us all, what exactly is an "end game player" in eve? Last time I looked, eve was a sandbox and there really wasn't any such thing as "end game."

Or maybe I just didn't get the message, because as a 4 year old player with over 60 million skill points I've never so much as contemplated wanting to fly one of these large epeens. For that matter I'd rather have my eyes gouged out than have to play the game like most of the 0.0 "end gamers" do.

My point is, stop ****ing considering what you do "end game." Stop thinking that you have the right to dictate to people what should or should not be "end game."

Seriously. The one thing I've had enough of in this thread is people with over inflated senses of their own position in the imaginary "eve universe" dictating to the rest of us what the game, and motherships, are supposed to be about.




so you consider the 2 largest ships in eve with the most effort in bilding/grinding isk/logistics/what ever, not to be "end game"?

makes sense


Number one, there is no end game. Its a sandbox game, you set your own goals, and as far as I can tell after 4 years of playing, I've never exhausted mine.

But, if you're going to argue that there is such a thing as "end game" in eve, I'd like to know what it is and how you get there.

What is the level cutoff? Oh wait, this is eve, there isn't one.. Is it skill points then? At what point do skill points qualify you for "end game." 20 million? 30? 50? 60?

Isk? Does that qualify you for end game? I've got a trading alt that made 12 billion in 2 months. Is she an "end game" pilot? I think not.

And lets not forget that buying gametime for real money and selling it for isk is allowed. So is buying characters for isk, which makes this entire point academic. Someone who has been playing the game a week, and has the money to spend, could be in supercarrier tomorrow.

Karlemgne
Tides Of War
Posted - 2009.11.16 22:57:00 - [1410]
 

Originally by: Cain m
Actually it's Crowd Control Productions aka ****s Counting Profits


And what is CCP of not a capitalist entity? Did you think they were providing some free service for the benefit of mankind?


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