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evilPHish
The Scope
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:43:00 - [121]
 

At least I now get to say "I told you so" to all the ppl that kept telling me "Dominion is gonna be just fine".
Thx for not letting me down CCP. Oh and while you're at it, can we get capture the flag sovereignity for 0.0? And I want Aura yelling "KILLING SPREE". Or one of your accounting guys screaming "Dude, where did our subscribers go???"


This patch is a hit below the belt for everyone living in 0.0 or who was planning to move there. A lot of the reasons have already been stated here, 0.0 post-dominion does NOT allow you to go for riches, our NRDS System in Providence, which you so proudly held up as an example of how 0.0 should be is going to be next to impossible to sustain, small entities will NOT have a chance to get into 0.0 because they simply can not afford it, etc...

The only thing 0.0 will be after that patch is a big **** for rich and bored alliances.
"We are so rich, we self-D a titan every week!"
"That's nothing, we have sov in 0.0!"

...

Speed Freek
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:44:00 - [122]
 

Can CCP please explain how a system can support 10-50 people making isk at the same rate as they would if they did Level 4 Missions in Empire. (And how a corporation can pay for it at 11% tax)

The costs need looking into as well - You are only removing the need for 1 Sov holding POS (Possibly 2 for the paranoid Alliances, with poor fuel maintenance).

What type of system are you aiming for break-even on, when looking at the old costs vs the new system?

Speek Freek

Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:46:00 - [123]
 

A. Ha. Aha. Ahahahaha.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha.

No wonder you wouldn't give any details, you have no ****ing idea what you're doing.

Good job CCP Laughing

Virtuozzo
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:46:00 - [124]
 

Well, Dominion was going to shake things up.

It does Very Happy

Here's a new wallpaper for the expansion Razz


Hemmo Paskiainen
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:47:00 - [125]
 

Edited by: Hemmo Paskiainen on 06/11/2009 23:50:14

Originally by: Speed Freek
Can CCP please explain how a system can support 10-50 people making isk at the same rate as they would if they did Level 4 Missions in Empire.


Maybe they decide to double the amount of bs in a belt for each military level while they increase the quality of the rats aswell. And maybe if they do this i really hope they dont forget to adjust the loot tables from mission rats (lesser mods, or better no loot and boost mining).

Would be fun fighting 9 to 15 battleships in a belt

Double the amount of rats in a cosmic would be an good option to boost the cosmic's.

Josh Silver
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:49:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: RevrendStyx

Your going to have to WORK for your space.Shocked Not just sit around and make monies from moon goo.


Originally by: RevrendStyx

My alliance does not hold any space


Excellent. What's your position at CCP by the way?

Pnuka
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:50:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: evilPHish
At least I now get to say "I told you so" to all the ppl that kept telling me "Dominion is gonna be just fine".
Thx for not letting me down CCP. Oh and while you're at it, can we get capture the flag sovereignity for 0.0? And I want Aura yelling "KILLING SPREE". Or one of your accounting guys screaming "Dude, where did our subscribers go???"


This patch is a hit below the belt for everyone living in 0.0 or who was planning to move there. A lot of the reasons have already been stated here, 0.0 post-dominion does NOT allow you to go for riches, our NRDS System in Providence, which you so proudly held up as an example of how 0.0 should be is going to be next to impossible to sustain, small entities will NOT have a chance to get into 0.0 because they simply can not afford it, etc...

The only thing 0.0 will be after that patch is a big **** for rich and bored alliances.
"We are so rich, we self-D a titan every week!"
"That's nothing, we have sov in 0.0!"

...


The system itself is a great improvement over what we have now, the numbers need tweaked and if they are going to insist upgrades effect cosmic anomolies then they need fixed. If they are going to effect mining, then mining needs looked at. Maybe they plan for that as well?

Black Bird1000
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:52:00 - [128]
 

Today is the 1st April, isn't it?

ISN'T IT?!

Vadinho
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:52:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: Vadinho on 06/11/2009 23:51:57
Originally by: Virtuozzo
Well, Dominion was going to shake things up.

It does Very Happy

Here's a new wallpaper for the expansion Razz


this is a better wallpaper for the new expansion

Tamahra
Gallente
Apina.
United Pod Service
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:54:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Hemmo Paskiainen

Double the amount of rats in a cosmic would be an good option to boost the cosmic's.


decent idea

ElvenLord
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:54:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Gerard Deneth
Note that he says the THE COST TO UPGRADE not the cost to maintain an upgrade. That means you're looking at a 50-500 mil one-shot cost to upgrade, not to maintain it each month. Note as well that the posted upgrade table at the top of the devblog does NOT include the cost of the other upgrades (asteroids/plexes/etc).

Perhaps wishful thinking, but I seriously think that a mistake was made reading this thing....


But you do realize that sov and HUBs do cost in maintainance too? You can not upgrade a system without it.

Point is, those upgrades are not cost effective, to both corporations and members. Its easier to just spread same ammount of ppl in few unclaimed systems then pay for a sov system. Oh and if you say sov system is safer check again, if you want cyno jammer or a jump bridge it costs more in initial and maintainance costs.

Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:55:00 - [132]
 

I, too, love treating the game like a job Laughing

SamuraiJack
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:55:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Virtuozzo
Well, Dominion was going to shake things up.

It does Very Happy

Here's a new wallpaper for the expansion Razz




Touche Virt.

Next round is yours :P

/me waves his scotch bottle.

you, you could be anywhere
somewhere, so far from here
wherever you are, like a fallin' star
come back to planet earth, burn out with me

Ukucia
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:55:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Pnuka

The system itself is a great improvement over what we have now, the numbers need tweaked and if they are going to insist upgrades effect cosmic anomolies then they need fixed. If they are going to effect mining, then mining needs looked at. Maybe they plan for that as well?

The expansion comes out in 3 weeks. No time to make any serious changes. So unless they've been secretly fixing them all this time, mining and anomalies will continue in their current state.

Lynn de'Marco
Divine Power.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:56:00 - [135]
 

i can see NPC 0.0 gettign very well populated :)

Johraiken Fenris
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:56:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: Niding
Well, Providence is the most populated space in 0.0.

The wealth generated from neutrals seldomly finds its way to the SOV holders wallets.

To ensure it DOES generate wealth for the SOV holders, we have to shut out neutrals and reserve the resources for ourselves.

Kinda ironic that CCP used CVA/Providence as a template of "how its done".


in the near future you can sign contracts with your local neutrals, which automatically bills them each month for the set amount of isk that both parties have agreed upon



So for NRDS this means we have to make a contract with everybody NOT red. Although our red list is pretty large, the not-red list is a whole lot longer. I'm sorry, but that is not an option.

RevrendStyx
Warhouse 13
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:57:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Josh Silver
Originally by: RevrendStyx

Your going to have to WORK for your space.Shocked Not just sit around and make monies from moon goo.


Originally by: RevrendStyx

My alliance does not hold any space


Excellent. What's your position at CCP by the way?


For me to answer this in any fashion you have to clarify why you think I work for ccp.Razz

Kamikazie
Amarr
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:58:00 - [138]
 

Quote:
Entrapment - increase the chance significantly of a DED complex being located in the depths of your solar system

Survey Networks - increase the chance significantly of mini-profession sites being located within your solar system


Way to screw over drone lands again. We do not have DED complexes nor do we really have mini profession sites. We don't get archeology sites and the hacking is laughable compared to other regions. Minus these two features were still basically paying for with the cost per day fees. How does CCP plan to balance these new sov mechanics so drone lands don't get bent over the barrel yet again.

also food for thought, corps get isk magically for ratting. Drone space we do not, we have to rely on monthly trips to empire to sell alloys and minerals for ISK.



Vadinho
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:59:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: RevrendStyx
For me to answer this in any fashion you have to clarify why you think I work for ccp.Razz
well you clearly dont know anything about nullsec so he probably put two and two together

gfldex
Posted - 2009.11.06 23:59:00 - [140]
 

Power to the ppl!

/me raises fist

Pnuka
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.07 00:01:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Vadinho
Originally by: RevrendStyx
For me to answer this in any fashion you have to clarify why you think I work for ccp.Razz
well you clearly dont know anything about nullsec so he probably put two and two together


Ouch

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2009.11.07 00:02:00 - [142]
 

Please visit this thread and voice your support if you think agents should be added to the system of upgrades:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1210331

evilPHish
The Scope
Posted - 2009.11.07 00:03:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Vadinho
Originally by: RevrendStyx
For me to answer this in any fashion you have to clarify why you think I work for ccp.Razz
well you clearly dont know anything about nullsec so he probably put two and two together


This! Very Happy

EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.07 00:04:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Please visit this thread and voice your support if you think agents should be added to the system of upgrades:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1210331


we're told the problem is the code is to fubar'd to support it.

Vivian Azure
Posted - 2009.11.07 00:04:00 - [145]
 

2 billion ISK a month / 10 players = 3 Triple BS-spawns per day killed by each player...

...that sure is way too expensive Rolling Eyes

SamuraiJack
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2009.11.07 00:05:00 - [146]
 

Oh and CCP?

Mao Tse Tung said change must come
Change must come thru the barrel of a gun
Not thru talkin' and not through waitin'
And sittin' around just contemplatin' the facts
'Cos we know what they are

NP: Alabama 3.

RevrendStyx
Warhouse 13
Posted - 2009.11.07 00:05:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Vadinho
Originally by: RevrendStyx
For me to answer this in any fashion you have to clarify why you think I work for ccp.Razz
well you clearly dont know anything about nullsec so he probably put two and two together


An even better goon response. Yes I know nothing of null sec, but you all still suck at eve. We're even. Now back on topic.

These changes don't look to bad to me. Not great but not bad. CCP doesn't always seem to think everything though but at the same time they have been creating this game for ~10yrs. Have you? Let them do their jobby job and stfu and deal with what they give you...orrr like I told the cva guys. Go back to empire or quit and give me your stuffs.


Tamahra
Gallente
Apina.
United Pod Service
Posted - 2009.11.07 00:05:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: EvilweaselFinance
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Please visit this thread and voice your support if you think agents should be added to the system of upgrades:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1210331


we're told the problem is the code is to fubar'd to support it.


i support this idea, if its technically possible........ Rolling Eyes

Etien Aldragoran
Legitimate Corporation
Posted - 2009.11.07 00:06:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Kamikazie
Quote:
Entrapment - increase the chance significantly of a DED complex being located in the depths of your solar system

Survey Networks - increase the chance significantly of mini-profession sites being located within your solar system


Way to screw over drone lands again. We do not have DED complexes nor do we really have mini profession sites. We don't get archeology sites and the hacking is laughable compared to other regions. Minus these two features were still basically paying for with the cost per day fees. How does CCP plan to balance these new sov mechanics so drone lands don't get bent over the barrel yet again.

also food for thought, corps get isk magically for ratting. Drone space we do not, we have to rely on monthly trips to empire to sell alloys and minerals for ISK.




That's what you get for ruining morphite prices.

Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe
Posted - 2009.11.07 00:07:00 - [150]
 

Solution to sov problems:

0.0 alliances need to start griefing the hell out of everyone who lives in empire space until they beg CCP to improve 0.0 enough that we go away. Then we'll see some worthwhile changes.



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