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Leilong Chan
Posted - 2009.11.02 10:59:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: wapquad
Originally by: Leilong Chan


i have a marauder, but the salvage thieves can salvage off the end of my tractor beams before it gets to my ship! MadMad bull**** I say, bull**** SadSad


OMG are you still being breast fed? Have you balls not dropped yet?? Man up work a little harder. This game is made for people who are willing to put the effort in, not someone who expects life to come to them. I hope you teach you kids this lesson so they don't end up failures like you.


at least I have kids, you'll never touch a woman

N Ano
Caldari
Templars of Space
Posted - 2009.11.02 11:00:00 - [32]
 

And this thread officially died.
please lock this thread

nafiy gnaw
Posted - 2009.11.02 11:04:00 - [33]
 

If you spend 1 minute reading the forum other than trolling here, you'll find a myrad of ways how to defend against ninja salvagers, including how ninja salvagers operate, how not to get probed down, how to salvage faster than the ninja, how to protect your mission item, and so on so forth.

You sir, are an idiot and troll.

Rordan D'Kherr
Amarr
Posted - 2009.11.02 11:13:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Ashani Osaka
is it really needed to have yet another thread about ninjas?


No.

/thread

N Ano
Caldari
Templars of Space
Posted - 2009.11.02 11:24:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Kha'Vorn
Originally by: Leilong Chan
this mechanic is totally ****ed, CCP needs to change it so that whenever someone salvages my loot they become criminally flagged. at least then I can fight back. ugh


Oh shut the **** up. I'm so ****ed off hearing about you lot whinging about ninja salvagers. Adapt to it, move to a quiet hub, salvage as you go, or just accept it. JUST STOP ****ING WHINGING.

It will never be changed, ever, so shut the **** up you whiney little **** sucking dumbass.


Censor for the win.
and refer to one of my comments beforeWink

Leilong Chan
Posted - 2009.11.02 11:27:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: N Ano
Originally by: Kha'Vorn
Originally by: Leilong Chan
this mechanic is totally ****ed, CCP needs to change it so that whenever someone salvages my loot they become criminally flagged. at least then I can fight back. ugh


Oh shut the **** up. I'm so ****ed off hearing about you lot whinging about ninja salvagers. Adapt to it, move to a quiet hub, salvage as you go, or just accept it. JUST STOP ****ING WHINGING.

It will never be changed, ever, so shut the **** up you whiney little **** sucking dumbass.


Censor for the win.
and refer to one of my comments beforeWink


insulting me won't change my mind on this matter, tyvm. GOOD DAY SIR. ugh

Aggelos Theristes
Posted - 2009.11.02 11:28:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Aggelos Theristes on 02/11/2009 11:28:11
luls

Mission in low sec and then you can shoot salvagers to your heart's content. Oh wait, people like you are so averse to risk that would be unacceptable. In Eve, you rarely get to have your cake and eat it. Accept it.

Bel Amar
Amarr
Sudden Buggery
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2009.11.02 11:53:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Leilong Chan
insulting me won't change my mind on this matter, tyvm. GOOD DAY SIR. ugh


You seem quite content to throw the insults around yourself...

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2009.11.02 12:03:00 - [39]
 

to the OP - read PrismX's Comment # 30 in Here

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2009.11.02 12:26:00 - [40]
 




i have a marauder, but the salvage thieves can salvage off the end of my tractor beams before it gets to my ship! MadMad bull**** I say, bull**** SadSad


Quoted for awesomeness

N Ano
Caldari
Templars of Space
Posted - 2009.11.02 12:42:00 - [41]
 

Wait, did some of my replies get deleted...
WAT THE FU

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2009.11.02 13:03:00 - [42]
 

The problem I see with ninja-salvaging is this:

As it stands, level 4 missions in highsec just pay too damn much for too little isk. If you know what you're doing you'll make more money in highsec than nullsec because the virtually 0 risk involved means you can spend a lot more isk on getting a ship that mows down the rats quicker. THAT needs fixing first, before you can really complain about ninja-salvagers as they are now.

HOWEVER, this does not make ninja-salvaging any less screwy in concept. It's arguably the least risky profession in eve as it's done in a t1 frigate in highsec, and it can easily pay out as well as a level 4 if done right.

SO, IMO CCP needs to fix low/nullsec isk making (which they may well be doing come dominion), and then once lvl 4s have been placed a bit more inline with other isk making activities in terms of risk/reward ratios, THEN look at ninja-salvaging.

On a side note: The ninja-salvagers who rush in to defend their profession always make me giggle. Are they really that afraid of losing the occasional frigate? And ninja salvaging WILL eventually be nerfed, for the same reason that nanos got nerfed, and then for the same reason falcons got nerfed; regardless of CCPs stance on it now, if enough people complain, it will get changed.

Garr Anders
Minmatar
The Red Circle Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.02 13:10:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Garr Anders on 02/11/2009 13:10:29
We get these threads about once a week ;).

As it has been discussed more than enough, here my proposal to "fix" it:
In the Assembly Hall:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1207847


Originally by: Garr Anders
[Proposal] Scan-able wrecks and containers/strengthen the salvager profession

Proposal:

  • Make wrecks and containers scan-able with scan probes.


Motivation:

  • This would strengthen the salvager as independent profession and would allow them to scan for the wrecks that are left behind by mission runners, rather than the need to scan for the active mission runner in his mission.

  • This would ease on the relation ship between mission runners and salvagers as the salvager does not need to salvage the wrecks under the eyes of an active mission runner, especially since the mission runners still think that salvage belongs to them, which is not the case as stated by CCP several times.

  • It would also relieve the database from maintaining left behind wrecks for the full two hours and could works as player driven "database cleaning" of objects.



p.s.
* It is not "ninja" as you do it all out in front of the mission runner, it would be if the mission runner would not see/notice the salvager.
* It is not stealing as the "salvage" is not your as stated/linked by CCP Prism X

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.11.02 13:18:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Cambarus
HOWEVER, this does not make ninja-salvaging any less screwy in concept. It's arguably the least risky profession in eve as it's done in a t1 frigate in highsec, and it can easily pay out as well as a level 4 if done right.
The difference is that it's competitive, so while the risk in terms of ship loss might be even lower than for the MRs (which in and of itself is a spectacular feat), the risk in terms of not getting anything for your time and effort is far higher.

Drenan
State War Academy
Posted - 2009.11.02 13:59:00 - [45]
 


So, if I blow up an empty wreck in hi-sec that does not belong to me I will not be concorded?

Shocked




baltec1
Posted - 2009.11.02 14:13:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Leilong Chan
Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: Leilong Chan
this mechanic is totally ****ed, CCP needs to change it so that whenever someone salvages my loot they become criminally flagged. at least then I can fight back. ugh

Well, if you really did fight back then I would be in favour of this change.

But you know and I know the real reason you want the ninja salvagers flagged is cause there would be less of them.



because we could fight back, and these cowards would have to go do something else for a livingugh



Then you would complain that attacking them resulted in them brining a pvp battleship in, killing you and making a lot more cah out of the faction goodies that dropped or ransoming you.

Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
Posted - 2009.11.02 14:15:00 - [47]
 

CCP Mitnal: “Our policy on this is extremely clear… Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing.”

GM Faolchu: “This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit.”

Senior GM Ytterbium: “Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will … and doing so is not considered as an exploit.”

Software Engineer CCP Prism X: “Before the salvage enters those containers [your cargo-hold / hangar] it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it’s not stealing.”

Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
Posted - 2009.11.02 14:36:00 - [48]
 

It should be possible to steal mission-runners' ships as well as their loot.

Hacking V, activate mod, wait 5 seconds, board CNR and eject carebear pod.

Isilwen Nightfall
Caldari
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.02 14:40:00 - [49]
 

Stop feeding the troll.

Ringo Jeicha
Posted - 2009.11.02 14:46:00 - [50]
 

1/10 for effort

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C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.02 14:47:00 - [51]
 

Moved from General Discusssion.


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