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Phent Butcher
Posted - 2010.11.30 23:59:00 - [181]
 

Edited by: Phent Butcher on 01/12/2010 00:01:20
I finished the SOE Epic Arc. I thought the story was good, though the rewards were less than epic.

One thing you could do to make the epic arcs more epic, link them to each other. For instance the ending of the SOE epic arc provides a great jumping foundation for follow on missions (or even another epic arc with the sisters).

Also I was dissapointed to find out that there are no lvl 2 or 3 epic arc missions. I think they would be a good addition.

I would also like to see epic arc only rewards (yes the items could be sold) either medals, or items. Also more of a standing influence with your choices.

zarhime
Posted - 2010.12.02 09:11:00 - [182]
 

Where can you start these epic arcs at?

Minoru Kakahashi
Posted - 2010.12.06 04:17:00 - [183]
 

I attempted to resume the Sisters epic arc I started a while back, however when I go to talk to the epic arc agent in Arnon, I'm told that there's nothing for me at the moment. I was in Chapter 6, on the second-to-last mission.

Can anyone help?

Mr Dilkington
Posted - 2010.12.06 12:43:00 - [184]
 

You have to love carebears scared to go to low sec in an INTERCEPTOR lol

Terrance O'Conner
Posted - 2010.12.08 09:44:00 - [185]
 

PvE without risk or consequence (*spell-check)

If you dont wanna go into low-sec using your 5bill faction-uber-pimped-pve-pwnmobile then dont..
with that ship it should be reasonably easy to buy and fit an unprobable-covert-boubble-immune-strategic-cruiser-from-hell. spend a bill or so, and you can do all the low/null-sec missions easy and safe. What is the problem? Ceptors can do the combat missions!

Also to those that say, I can't do the epics because I've screwed over my faction-standings with xx-empire... well, you chose to do that - stop complaining, grind lvl 1-3 missions (you're probably experts at grinding missions anyhow)and get over it. Learn it already, it's a world-simulation-game, ofcourse your actions have an impact (both positive and negative). What is it you want? I can do it all without any worry? What great game that would make... Where's the "epic" feeling if its nothing more than regular mission-grinding.

Just a li'l flame (expects to get it right back in the face Laughing)

Jason1138
Posted - 2010.12.10 22:21:00 - [186]
 

"You have to love carebears scared to go to low sec in an INTERCEPTOR lol"


i lost a crow in low the other day to a loki, drake and geddon. its not like interceptors are t3's or anything, you do die in them sometimes, especially docking and undocking

Karn Velora
Posted - 2010.12.27 03:19:00 - [187]
 

As a returnee after a sabattical, this is my view on epic arcs:

If it wasn't for the tab in the journal, and this thread, I wouldn't even know epic arcs existed. Maybe at some point they were announced and talked about in patch notes, but the game sure doesn't lead you to them.

I -could- have gone to google or evewiki to search on epic arcs, but I just haven't bothered. This way it feels much like COSMOS - the big fancy thing that was added and then completely forgotten. Most people barely know it even exists.

I've just been grinding level 4s as usual until they make me sick, and now I moved into lowsec instead to make a living on PI and scanning.

So yea... I can't give my view on epic arcs; I've never seen one.

Edward Olmops
Posted - 2010.12.27 14:38:00 - [188]
 

I just completed the Caldari epic arc (the last one of all 7).
However, I was very surprised that although the agent in the debriefing of the final mission claimed that "my deeds will certainly not go unnoticed" and that he would talk to some high-ranking guys - I did not even get a small boost in faction standing...

Is that normal or is that a bug?

ALL other epic arcs got me some decent faction standing gain:
Minmatar Arc: got 5% (+Social IV mod 20% =6%)
Gallente: 10% (+20% Social IV = 12%)
Amarr: 10% (+20% Social IV)
Sisters of EVE: 10% (choice of 1 empire)
Angel Cartel: 30% (+20%)
Guristas: 30% (+20%)

munitqua
Caldari
BlackSite Prophecy
Posted - 2010.12.27 15:49:00 - [189]
 

Hi CCP, i just wanted to say that i HATE missions. Here are some tips that might give them more depth.

- Voice Acting, let agents and epic characters have a voice!
- CGI - let epic missions have introductionary movies and PIP movies while doing a mission

Overall, the missions should be more involving, the epic missions should suck people into the story and not just let them read some introduction, warp, kill, go back agent, repeat.

really i can't do more than three missions at a time.

Seviere
Caldari
Teram Odator Rilfur Pegastur
Posted - 2011.01.05 12:36:00 - [190]
 

Edited by: Seviere on 07/01/2011 15:42:01
nvm

Llaw Arian
Caldari
Telsa inc
Waterboard
Posted - 2011.01.12 07:50:00 - [191]
 

They're ok

DR imagin
Posted - 2011.01.12 15:54:00 - [192]
 

Is there some epic arc mission that can upgrade my status against sansha faction? And if it is his name pleas.

leavcraft
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:38:00 - [193]
 

i started posting on these forums today for the first time although i have been playing for a couple of years. I was upset about losing access to lvl 5 missions in high sec space. someone suggested the epic arc for high sec fun. sadly its an epic fail for me. My arc agent is gallente, but my activities in caldari space have made me KOS in gallente space. However, while doing the missions before i moved into Caldari space I too, experienced the push into low sec for some missions. Sorry, but I have too much invested in my ships and implants to just become a gank target for someone's amusement.
I would like to see content that lets some of us just enjoy high sec and challenge the missions, not other players. Also, some of us dont have time to fleet up and take on big events, is there no room for the skilled solo or duo team in EVE anymore?
leavwiz

Drojder Beril
Posted - 2011.01.26 11:16:00 - [194]
 

Hello there.
I just finished the Angel Arc yesterday. nice rewards and all, but aside from the standings I got with Archangels and Dominations for completing missions to their agents, I didn't get any faction boost with Angel Cartel.All I could find on devblogs and forums was that you get rewarded a 30% faction boost when the Arc is finished.Nothing about the removal of this reward after those posts.
So if anyone can confirm if the reward was removed or if it's a bug, please do.

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.01.26 13:56:00 - [195]
 

The faction rewards have no been removed and you simply need to petition a GM to get it.

GyokZoli
Caldari
Sanctum of Citizens
Posted - 2011.01.26 15:47:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: DR imagin
Is there some epic arc mission that can upgrade my status against sansha faction? And if it is his name pleas.

Yes, the Amarr epic arc, where you need to choise between amarr and the sansha at one point. Afterward you'll be sent to lowsec for the last 4 missions.

Jonni Favorite
Sundown Logistics
Damned Nation
Posted - 2011.01.28 14:28:00 - [197]
 

I finished the Minmatar and Gallente epics, working on Expert Distribution standings for the Caldari one now. I found the storylines pretty engaging and overall the rewards were appropriate, although Gallente was much higher but it was a lot more challenging.

I think I finished Minmatar within 24hours for about 300mil, not bad I thought. Besides the isk though, the Matari epic didn't give me the same feeling of accomplishment as the rather tough Gallente story. Like others said, the 10+ jumps from mission to mission was a bit much especially if you expect to salvage since there were no bounties in Gallente.

Really my biggest gripe is, although I understand you can re-do these every 3 months (which I would like to do to, exploring the other options including lowsec), nothing in my journal tells me when I can go back and try again. Will the arc dissappear from my journal? Do I need to go check with the agent? Mark my calendar?

I look forward to the Caldari arc which I'm about to start pretty soon and then Amarr.

GyokZoli
Caldari
Sanctum of Citizens
Posted - 2011.01.28 14:38:00 - [198]
 

Originally by: Jonni Favorite

Really my biggest gripe is, although I understand you can re-do these every 3 months (which I would like to do to, exploring the other options including lowsec), nothing in my journal tells me when I can go back and try again. Will the arc dissappear from my journal? Do I need to go check with the agent? Mark my calendar?

I look forward to the Caldari arc which I'm about to start pretty soon and then Amarr.

Nothing will indicate that when you'll be able to do the Epic Arcs next time so you better make a note about it in your Calendar. Your journal stays the same as long as you don't contact the starting agents after the 3 months period ends.

Takseen
Posted - 2011.01.29 02:07:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: GyokZoli
Originally by: Jonni Favorite

Really my biggest gripe is, although I understand you can re-do these every 3 months (which I would like to do to, exploring the other options including lowsec), nothing in my journal tells me when I can go back and try again. Will the arc dissappear from my journal? Do I need to go check with the agent? Mark my calendar?

I look forward to the Caldari arc which I'm about to start pretty soon and then Amarr.

Nothing will indicate that when you'll be able to do the Epic Arcs next time so you better make a note about it in your Calendar. Your journal stays the same as long as you don't contact the starting agents after the 3 months period ends.


One trick you can use in case you forget the exact date is to check your standing gains log with the relevant faction and corporation, since they give a pretty big increase on the date you complete it.

Jonni Favorite
Sundown Logistics
Damned Nation
Posted - 2011.01.29 06:29:00 - [200]
 

Originally by: Takseen
Originally by: GyokZoli
Originally by: Jonni Favorite

Really my biggest gripe is, although I understand you can re-do these every 3 months (which I would like to do to, exploring the other options including lowsec), nothing in my journal tells me when I can go back and try again. Will the arc dissappear from my journal? Do I need to go check with the agent? Mark my calendar?

I look forward to the Caldari arc which I'm about to start pretty soon and then Amarr.

Nothing will indicate that when you'll be able to do the Epic Arcs next time so you better make a note about it in your Calendar. Your journal stays the same as long as you don't contact the starting agents after the 3 months period ends.


One trick you can use in case you forget the exact date is to check your standing gains log with the relevant faction and corporation, since they give a pretty big increase on the date you complete it.


Good advice both of you, pretty obvious too Embarassed but thanks!

Ohuisgonna Gtsofuktup
Posted - 2011.02.03 12:58:00 - [201]
 

Edited by: Ohuisgonna Gtsofuktup on 03/02/2011 13:04:16
Just thought I'd throw my thoughts in on the matter. I love the idea of epic arcs... BUT unfortunately it's the low sec side that puts me off. I'm with the first guy who posted, low sec for pvp, high sec for missions.

I'd love to do the epic arcs if they were all high sec based (I actually think there's a massive disparity for newer players who can't fly marauders/strategic cruisers and are unable to 'safely' fly in low sec). Unfortunately they have little choice but to grind lvl 4's over and over while the older players get to clear up and earn billions buy scanning/running missions in low sec, setting up POS's etc. I think if there were epic arcs with decent ISK rewards purely based in high sec I'd be loving them. Unfortunately to me they are a wasted feature the way they are atm. There's no point in me starting an epic arc that's going to send me to low sec because I'll just have to stop at that point.
I think the rewards should be in the 100's of millions, you can easily make this in low sec and it;s always the high sec guys that lose out (with the exception of CEO's and traders).

I know some will say that this will upset the balance but the fact is the balance is skewed in the favour of those active in low/nul sec anyway. Plus, the potential to make say 500 mil every three months is nothing compared to what you can do in low/nul sec anyway.


Sooooo to summarise, make epic arcs high sec only with a total reward for say a 30 mission arc of 250-500mil (net misison reward, not inlcuding salvaging etc)


GyokZoli
Caldari
Sanctum of Citizens
Posted - 2011.02.03 15:13:00 - [202]
 

Edited by: GyokZoli on 03/02/2011 15:14:55
Originally by: Ohuisgonna Gtsofuktup
Edited by: Ohuisgonna Gtsofuktup on 03/02/2011 13:04:16
Just thought I'd throw my thoughts in on the matter. I love the idea of epic arcs... BUT unfortunately it's the low sec side that puts me off. I'm with the first guy who posted, low sec for pvp, high sec for missions.

I'd love to do the epic arcs if they were all high sec based (I actually think there's a massive disparity for newer players who can't fly marauders/strategic cruisers and are unable to 'safely' fly in low sec). Unfortunately they have little choice but to grind lvl 4's over and over while the older players get to clear up and earn billions buy scanning/running missions in low sec, setting up POS's etc. I think if there were epic arcs with decent ISK rewards purely based in high sec I'd be loving them. Unfortunately to me they are a wasted feature the way they are atm. There's no point in me starting an epic arc that's going to send me to low sec because I'll just have to stop at that point.
I think the rewards should be in the 100's of millions, you can easily make this in low sec and it;s always the high sec guys that lose out (with the exception of CEO's and traders).

I know some will say that this will upset the balance but the fact is the balance is skewed in the favour of those active in low/nul sec anyway. Plus, the potential to make say 500 mil every three months is nothing compared to what you can do in low/nul sec anyway.


Sooooo to summarise, make epic arcs high sec only with a total reward for say a 30 mission arc of 250-500mil (net misison reward, not inlcuding salvaging etc)



In case of the Amarr Epic Arc you don't have to leave hisec at all. The Caldari one does require you at some points, but that's easily doable in a shuttle (no fighting, just courier missions). With maxed out agility (Evasive Maneuvering) no one will catch you (not even try) at the gates. I don't know about the others (Gallente and Matar), sorry.

Ohuisgonna Gtsofuktup
Posted - 2011.02.03 16:09:00 - [203]
 



In case of the Amarr Epic Arc you don't have to leave hisec at all. The Caldari one does require you at some points, but that's easily doable in a shuttle (no fighting, just courier missions). With maxed out agility (Evasive Maneuvering) no one will catch you (not even try) at the gates. I don't know about the others (Gallente and Matar), sorry.


Well that's useful to know, thank you. Although to be honest I still won't be trying it, I get the impression the rewards just aren't worth the time or hassle. Especially if there's a lot of jumping between systems involved. As boring as it is I'd rather just keep grinding the lvl 4's, at least that way I know I don't have to fly 15 jumps for the next mission.




Shadowed Blackhole
Gallente
Les Loyalistes
Posted - 2011.02.04 15:32:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: Ohuisgonna Gtsofuktup


In case of the Amarr Epic Arc you don't have to leave hisec at all. The Caldari one does require you at some points, but that's easily doable in a shuttle (no fighting, just courier missions). With maxed out agility (Evasive Maneuvering) no one will catch you (not even try) at the gates. I don't know about the others (Gallente and Matar), sorry.


Well that's useful to know, thank you. Although to be honest I still won't be trying it, I get the impression the rewards just aren't worth the time or hassle. Especially if there's a lot of jumping between systems involved. As boring as it is I'd rather just keep grinding the lvl 4's, at least that way I know I don't have to fly 15 jumps for the next mission.



Unfortunately, this ain't true. I have just completed The Right To Rule epic arc and mission #16 (Making an Arrest) sent me 11 jumps away in a 0.4 system. Even though this was a low sec system, I had absolutely no problem completing the mission after a careful analysis of the system's history through the ingame map tools and dotlan evemaps. I used my Incursus fitted for align speed, jumped into the system which had an empty local channel. Proceeded to mission coordinates and since there is no NPC ship killing involved in this mission (simply warp in, close in on the manor which blows up and flags mission as completed), I quickly warped back to gate and jumped back to highsec unscathed. Even though this is 11 jumps away, with an align speed fitted frigate, transit time is almost irrelevant.

On the other hand, I was VERY dissapointed to see ABSOLUTELY 0 faction standing boost record in my Amarr standing transactions after completing the arc. This was the whole point of running the arc in the first place. I sure hope CCP fixes this in the future, otherwise I will not run the arcs at all. I can make as much ISK running regular lvl 4s.

GyokZoli
Caldari
Sanctum of Citizens
Posted - 2011.02.04 15:40:00 - [205]
 

Edited by: GyokZoli on 04/02/2011 15:40:53
Originally by: Shadowed Blackhole
Unfortunately, this ain't true. I have just completed The Right To Rule epic arc and mission #16 (Making an Arrest) sent me 11 jumps away in a 0.4 system. Even though this was a low sec system, I had absolutely no problem completing the mission after a careful analysis of the system's history through the ingame map tools and dotlan evemaps. I used my Incursus fitted for align speed, jumped into the system which had an empty local channel. Proceeded to mission coordinates and since there is no NPC ship killing involved in this mission (simply warp in, close in on the manor which blows up and flags mission as completed), I quickly warped back to gate and jumped back to highsec unscathed. Even though this is 11 jumps away, with an align speed fitted frigate, transit time is almost irrelevant.

On the other hand, I was VERY dissapointed to see ABSOLUTELY 0 faction standing boost record in my Amarr standing transactions after completing the arc. This was the whole point of running the arc in the first place. I sure hope CCP fixes this in the future, otherwise I will not run the arcs at all. I can make as much ISK running regular lvl 4s.

Strange. I completed the Amarr Epic Arc 6 times to date (with 2 chars) and never sent me into lowsec except once when I chose the way of the sansha.
Btw make a petition about the faction boost.

Shadowed Blackhole
Gallente
Les Loyalistes
Posted - 2011.02.04 16:25:00 - [206]
 

Quote:
Strange. I completed the Amarr Epic Arc 6 times to date (with 2 chars) and never sent me into lowsec except once when I chose the way of the sansha. Btw make a petition about the faction boost.


Yeah, quite possible i've hit that odd one like those we get sometimes doing lvl 4s.

I will file a petition for the faction boost, thanks for the tip.
Since you seem to be a seasoned epic arc runner, my question to you is : Is the faction standing payout actually implemented? Do you always have to file a petition to get your faction boost, or is it just a glitch where sometimes the system just won't give the standing payouts?

The Right To Rule was my first level 4 epic arc and since I didn't really provide any feedback to CCP, I will do it in this post.

Overall, my experience with the arc was a pleasant one. Coming from a strong RPG background, I've always enjoyed story development in a game and these arcs provides just that. Not a big plot, but still interesting to follow.

As for the rewards, they are effectively higher than normal level 4s, but due to some transit time involved, I think ISK/hour sums up to be roughly the same as chaining regular level 4s. I haven't ran intense calculations, this is just an impression. Also, since it was my first run and I was not exactly sure what to expect, my fittings were probably not 100% optimized for the missions. Some improvements may still be required for maximum efficiency.

As for standing boost... If it does indeed work after i've petitioned then I will be very glad. This is a great opportunity to improve standings with factions besides grinding storylines, data-centre agents and COSMOS missions.

GyokZoli
Caldari
Sanctum of Citizens
Posted - 2011.02.04 20:21:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Shadowed Blackhole

Since you seem to be a seasoned epic arc runner, my question to you is : Is the faction standing payout actually implemented? Do you always have to file a petition to get your faction boost, or is it just a glitch where sometimes the system just won't give the standing payouts?


I think it got broken recently. Honestly I did not even check the Amarr faction standing payout last time since I have around 9 standing towards Amarr and don't need a higher one but I did check when I finished with the Sansha missions and I got a big boost. And I think the more people file a petition about it the faster it will get fixed.

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.02.08 12:24:00 - [208]
 

Hi again people.

Pilot Jaton is trying his luck with the senior GM management to get a clear statement that all epic arc endings provide a faction gain. This gain might not be of equal size and will be connected to which faction you decide to support during the arc, but a gain should be achieved.

The clue we have is this statement from the Dominion patch notes
Originally by: Dominion patch notes
  • All existent Epic Arcs, Blood Stained Stars, Penumbra, Right to Rule, Syndication, and Wilfire, will now provide faction standing bonuses associated with the chosen ending upon completion.


And even that is still up for interpretation.

It is my hope that one day either a senior GM or the developers responsible for the epic arcs will come out with a clear statement that we can refer to every time we have to petition for missing faction standing gains in relation to the epic arc missions.

Shadowed Blackhole
Gallente
Les Loyalistes
Posted - 2011.02.11 17:36:00 - [209]
 

Just a quick note to let you guys know that my petition was answered and I received a GM Intervention standings boost of 36.7324% towards Amarr. Very Happy

Life is good Cool

Terghon Tu
Amarr
DarkNet Node Fanaticus
Posted - 2011.02.12 07:09:00 - [210]
 

I've done the Amarr epic arc, the SoE "newbie" epic arc and attempted the Caldari epic arc (4 times). PVE content should not put you in the middle of PVP. I have no problem with these epic arcs as is. For any new epic arcs, please limit them to PVE content only (so, high-sec). I would, however, like to see some pvp-heavy pve epic arcs, for instance... faction warfare epic arcs.

Aside from those points, I enjoyed the epic arc greatly. The immersion was there, especially as I kept myself from checking the spoiler sites to see what was coming up. The stories made sense in the context of the EVE universe and seemed exactly like what those poor mortals would go to a capsuleer to accomplish.

I'd like to see more of the "boss fight" style missions in an epic arc. One or two key missions that are really tough, possibly even requiring help from other players. Using Sleeper or Incursion AI for these missions might be appropriate.


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