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Rexy
DarkStar 1
Posted - 2010.07.09 21:35:00 - [151]
 

Edited by: Rexy on 10/07/2010 23:36:36
gurista arc still seems broken, talking to the starting agent with the required standings still doesnt work

EDIT, the epic arcs appear just to be mutually exclusive where you cant have both active at the same time.

Hardreign
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
Posted - 2010.07.17 07:45:00 - [152]
 

So these EPIC arcs were released in November of 2009 and they are still reported as buggy and not worthwhile?

Can anyone tell me if I should wave off from starting any of these?

Lugalzagezi666
Posted - 2010.07.17 19:06:00 - [153]
 

Amarr, caldari and angel epic arcs are definitely working, so you can try one of these.

Hardreign
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
Posted - 2010.07.17 19:42:00 - [154]
 

Thanks. What a bummer situation.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.07.22 14:44:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: Rexy
Edited by: Rexy on 10/07/2010 23:36:36
gurista arc still seems broken, talking to the starting agent with the required standings still doesnt work

EDIT, the epic arcs appear just to be mutually exclusive where you cant have both active at the same time.



?????Is this true?????

I completed the starting (First) mission of the Minmatar lv 4 Epic Arc when they were first introduced and have left the rest of the arc in my journal to be completed at a later time.

I'm currently grinding missions for Expert Distribution Corporation to access the Caldari lv 4 Epic Arc starting Agent. I was planning to complete the first mission and then let that arc also sit in my journal to be completed later.

Next was going to be Gallente and then Amarr.

If a player can only access one Epic Arc at a time then why was I able to accept and complete the SoE lv 1 Epic Arc a 2nd time while having the Minmatar lv 4 Epic Arc active?

Is it because the SoE arc is a lv 1 and the Minmatar arc is lv 4?

If only one lv 4 Epic Arc can be accessed at a time, then why wasn't this information made public?

I like the whole idea of the Epic Arcs and I should be able to start each one and leave them all in my journal until I decide it's time to continue them. I was planning on making a full report about all the Arcs after completing them.

GyokZoli
Caldari
Sanctum of Citizens
Posted - 2010.07.28 13:28:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
Originally by: Rexy
EDIT, the epic arcs appear just to be mutually exclusive where you cant have both active at the same time.

?????Is this true?????


I don't think since I completed the Amarr epic arc while I had the Caldari arc uncompleted in my journal.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.08.01 12:06:00 - [157]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 01/08/2010 12:10:16
You can have more than one Epic Arc active at the same time.

I now have completed the first mission for both Minmatar and Caldari and am currently working on Gallente and Amarr.

As soon as I gain access to all the major Factions Epic Arcs, I'll complete them back to back and then file a full report after all are completed.

ShatteredStone
Posted - 2010.08.05 21:26:00 - [158]
 

Unfortunately, the standings rewards mechanics are pretty much busted to all hell. I got 12% faction increase on the Gallente Arc -- but no change on the Minmatar Arc (RSS Probe choice) or Amarr Arc (Hisec, non-Sansha choice). About to turn in the Caldari arc, but I am not hopeful. The Minmatar arc increase got reimbursed, but apparently they are all pretty buggy in that regard.

On the upside, I was able to play through all 4 of the hisec lvl 4 arcs in recent weeks, so they are completable.

Shawn Farscape
Posted - 2010.08.11 14:57:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: SillyWaif
Originally by: Sinistro
Thought of doing one until I found out that you will be sent into low sec as well and for me missions and low sec is a no go, pve in high sec and pvp in low sec and any mission that send me into low I reject.




1) This ^^

2) Besides they aren't given out by random agents (yet) so I don't get them offered either. And for some reason I am not curious/motivated enough to 'go and get them'.


Especially ^^1.

Darkness consumes
Amarr
Isk Contractors Inc.
Posted - 2010.08.25 16:07:00 - [160]
 

Edited by: Darkness consumes on 25/08/2010 16:07:37
i love the epic arcs the way they are you have to send the whiny carebears to lowsec... not just that the same lowsec... through the same gate cause they start from the same point... TIME TO GO GATE CAMPING

Moar Pew Pew less Q.Q

(note this is semi sarcastic to prove whats wrong tho i am a pvper i see the point... CNR 2bil+ killmails will be nice tho)

DjDangle
The Fraternal Association of Killer Squibs
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2010.08.31 08:53:00 - [161]
 

Edited by: DjDangle on 31/08/2010 22:48:54
Am I right in saying once you have completed an epic arc, you can not do that arc again with different choices?

EDIT: Once every 3 months, found the answer.

Liralynn
Posted - 2010.09.02 05:52:00 - [162]
 

Just finished the newbie epic mission with my husband.

My biggest complaint is that they are solo missions, and the only thing "team" about them is that we could help each other complete the solo mission, despite the fact that we both had the same mission. We either soloed, or had to do everything twice *snore*.

By the time we get to Dagan, we're both pretty much asleep. He's way out of line harder than anything else we've run into so far. We're both still in frigates, following the advice of people here and elsewhere, and not using shiny ships that might attract attention. He can't hurt us, but neither can we hurt him. We can afford shiny ships, but elect to put the money in better weapons instead, even though it was more expensive.

Plan B was to use frigates and weapons from another faction - we're Amarr and Dagan was flying an Angel ship, which is the worst possible luck of the draw.

Plan C - use a destroyer for dps and a frigate to tank (he can't hit anything flying fast and close, and so far, the game AI doesn't seem smart enough to switch targets to the one doing lots of damage but is easiest to kill).

It takes about 20 minutes with our Amarr frigates and weapons (which we have to do twice), but he goes down. I went afk a couple of times to fix myself a drink or work on defrosting the little refrigerator in our gaming room.

Suggested solution: ramp up the difficulty before you get to Dagan. Or tone down Dagan to match the other parts of the quest.





Liralynn
Posted - 2010.09.02 06:12:00 - [163]
 

Edited by: Liralynn on 02/09/2010 06:37:16
Edited by: Liralynn on 02/09/2010 06:35:21

Forgot to say what I liked about it.

It's good for newbs who are too new to know what to do in a sandbox game (which really just means that the players provide the content, which is so much easier for the devs! But really hard on newbs still struggling with the fact that WASD isn't functional here).

It allowed us to visit places far from our starting locations and so taught us how to travel and provided incentive to learn how to set up the Overview, which proved useful for combat too.

The rewards were good, although not as good as could have obtained if we had a clue (I did a bit of "gun running" on the side, which was immensely more profitable).

Most importantly, it took time for us to learn skills, while at the same time, kept us out of harms way. Although judging from previous comments, the milk and cookies stage doesn't last long. Although arguably, it can last as long as a player wants.

Takseen
Posted - 2010.09.04 08:55:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Liralynn

Plan B was to use frigates and weapons from another faction - we're Amarr and Dagan was flying an Angel ship, which is the worst possible luck of the draw.




The eve survival website suggests Dagan will actually pick his ship based on which empire you sided with in the previous mission, so luck wasn't the issue. I think thats correct since I remember him flying something with absurd kinetic/thermal resists(an Amarr ship?) when I picked Gallente, and a Minmatar ship when I picked Amarr.

I agree that there's very little support for doing mission chains in a group which is a pity. And the difficulty curve is a bit strange, there's only 3 challenging missions out of the 50 you do.

captain kikaz
Debitum Naturae
Drop the Hammer
Posted - 2010.09.09 01:57:00 - [165]
 

i just completed the angels epic arc missions easiest money i ever made for very little effort.

will be back in 3 months to do it again

Daan Sai
Polytrope
Posted - 2010.09.10 01:33:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Have you enjoyed the arcs in general and did they live up to your expectations for immersion? Did you find the variety of missions to be good? What about the rewards?#



I am disappointed in the Epic Arcs.

We were presented the possibility of *multiple* branching points - giving the possibility of a wide range of variety. The lvl4 arcs ( only ones I've run) end up with only three chapters and only one branch towards the end! It feels like the whole thing was descoped right before shipping. Basicly no real advance on a COSMOS mission like 'King of the Hill'.

Make some branches into deadends and give the ability to back up to the previous branch points and go on. Then your tree structure can be more than a twig with one fork.

Generally the difficulty was not much more than a high end lvl 4, at least some sub-missions should be harder, like the JeremyTacs mission.

If the arcs get expanded and get much more branching, then they should be replayable more frequently.

The rewards were relatively unbalanced between the four empires, although the initial ones were improved. A wider range of rewards were the player can choose, like a mini lp store at the end would be better.

Some kind of faction decoration/medal only from epic arcs would be a nice touch as well.

A more robust system of eligibilty is needed so the arcs don't become broken and unavailable again.

Mix in some variety, eg not giving the mission location normally and having to scandown items/encounters. Scanning is pretty easy to do now.

In summary - make them really EPIC, much longer, many more branches etc. I'd like to be in an epic for several weeks even.

Daan

PS some epic music tracks only heard during epic arcs would be cool!


Hari Markkus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.09.10 12:05:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Darkness consumes
(note this is semi sarcastic to prove whats wrong tho i am a pvper i see the point... CNR 2bil+ killmails will be nice tho)

Do you really think that the low sec missions require a battleship?

I did the one in the Caldari epic arc that sends you to Syndicate in an interceptor.

The noobs in their 'canes didn't even manage to target me before I was gone.

Tehbuyerz
Posted - 2010.09.12 06:04:00 - [168]
 

Never got so depressed in EVE as when I found out I had taken the wrong path for the Mobile Lab reward.

Almost quit EVE...

Brutie Bill
Posted - 2010.09.12 07:25:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Tehbuyerz
Never got so depressed in EVE as when I found out I had taken the wrong path for the Mobile Lab reward.

Almost quit EVE...


The booster pills aren't that bad either!

Aelana Anais
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.09.13 00:23:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Hari Markkus
Originally by: Darkness consumes
(note this is semi sarcastic to prove whats wrong tho i am a pvper i see the point... CNR 2bil+ killmails will be nice tho)

Do you really think that the low sec missions require a battleship?

I did the one in the Caldari epic arc that sends you to Syndicate in an interceptor.

The noobs in their 'canes didn't even manage to target me before I was gone.



All the low/null sec combat missions in the arcs are designed to be able to be completed in an interceptor with appropriate skill level.

So if someone is bringing their faction fit battleships, they are failing anyway.

Not to mention on some of them I don't think they will even let the battleship /in/.

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.09.14 15:12:00 - [171]
 

I finished the Minmatar epic arc last night, and while it was quite enjoyable as far as the PvE Experience goes (Challenging difficulty, decent storyline) I felt let down by the lack of 'epic'. The only choice you make in the entire arc is the final mission, which are essentially just the same 0.1m3 couriers to a different destination. It felt very much like I was choosing between Prize Curtain #1 or Prize Curtain #2, rather than based on how I wanted to advance the story.

I thought epic arcs were about repeatability and making storyline changing choices and yet, if I were to redo the minmatar arc, it would be exactly the same except for the final mission which is simply a 0.1m3 courier to a different destination. Would be nice if you could add in more meaningful branches which change the shape of the storyline completely, and change the type/difficulty of the missions I think it would make it a much better experience.

Another pet peeve I have in this arc is the Second mission in the second chapter makes you go 11 jumps for a fairly easy mission, only for you to have to come back to the agent to drop off the item, 2 more missions in, and you're going 2 jumps further from the exact same place you went 11 jumps for the next agent. Seems like it would help the flow a bit if you changed the second mission to the final mission, and allow it to be completed remotely, as this would cut down on the travel time of the missions.

But overall, I thought the difficulty, reward, storyline and the flow was pretty decent.

Chuckie Chuck
Posted - 2010.09.30 18:24:00 - [172]
 

Lowsec missions = no thanks on my part. I like PVE but i reject all missions that send me into lowsec.

Kizarvexius Redeemer
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2010.10.10 12:41:00 - [173]
 

Edited by: Kizarvexius Redeemer on 10/10/2010 12:41:57

Tamahra
Gallente
Apina.
United Pod Service
Posted - 2010.10.16 00:12:00 - [174]
 

i havent done any of the arcs. why? dunno.

but my general attitude towards epic arcs is around this:

a) i heard the rewards are pathetic, so i didnt bother (only hearsay, but i find that i canīt be arsed to investigate any further)

b) i canīt be arsed to search for the agents that start the arcs, or ask others where they are located

c) i canīt be arsed to make 138924537845 jumps to start an arc (even if i dont know if thatīs true, but i find that i canīt be arsed to look it up either)


Planetarian
Gallente
Covert Operations Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.22 08:44:00 - [175]
 

Just finished my first non-pirate epic arc yesterday. The Syndication arc. I used a mixture of HACs and SB's along the way, mixed in with some Logistics support, an Orca and a CS, so I really got to use my hangar a lot. Sadly I had to jump back and forth a lot to get the right ship for the situation. That was kinda borring, but the missions were challenging and fun. Lost a ship to the Pator 6, those guys put out a lot of hurt. Rewards were small and would not have been worth the risk, but I needed something new to do in the game. And now that I am done, I really wish there was another one like it. I am a casual gamer and it took me a few evenings to complete so the "epic" part is kinda lame. Make them harder or longer and the rewards much bigger.

Lucas41
Gallente
SOMACOM
Growth Disorders
Posted - 2010.10.23 09:56:00 - [176]
 

Just finished my first epic arc tonight Amarr Arc lvl 4(Right to Rule). It was a lot of fun. It was challenging and the bounties were nice. The only issue I had was that even though I selected (Catch the scent) as the final path. It should have kept me in high sec. However, my next mission sent me 3 jumps into low sec. So once that mission was done, it was back on track. Remainder of the missions were in high sec. For my trouble I got an armor implant that I have to decide what I am going to do with it. I would love to see a better reward for the lvl 4 arc's. Other than those two issues it was pretty good. Will definitely consider running them again in 3 months.

Tarikla
Posted - 2010.10.24 11:36:00 - [177]
 

Well , i've just finished the Gallente Epic Arc . And i think i'll not do it another time before i get my Proteus .

If there's only one bad thing i can say (and there's more than one) , it would be :

DAMN REWARDS ARE SO LOWS SHAME !

In my sense , the reward are only worth it if you do them in T3 , with his incredible tank . If you do the Arc in any other ship , you have some mission with so much DPS on you than the risk of loosing your ship or the use of a logi is not worth the ISK you'll get .

Jason1138
Posted - 2010.10.27 14:09:00 - [178]
 

i agree that they lack consequence. whatever you do in the epic arc, it should make a big change. i've done the SOE one, the angels one, and the Caldari and Amarr ones and none of them changed my standings enough to notice. that's sort of silly, that you can betray one faction or another and no one cares. I kill a concord agent and it doesn't hurt my sec status at all? etc


also they are pretty hard to follow. often you don't really understand why you're going where you're going or what you're doing what you're doing for. i expected more of a story out of them, instead its just basically a string of missions that are vaguely related. EA 1-5 has as much story to it as any of the epic arcs do (ie not much) and that's sort of sad

i enjoyed running them and i'd run them again for the rewards but tbh i don't think they're any better put together than your average level 4's are

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.09 09:40:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Hardreign
So these EPIC arcs were released in November of 2009 and they are still reported as buggy and not worthwhile?

Can anyone tell me if I should wave off from starting any of these?


u have met ccps mantra of put it in as a PR exercise and leave it half bugged half completed and move onto the NEXT BIG THING

Lord Evangelian
Gallente
The White Mantle
Malum Exuro
Posted - 2010.11.09 22:07:00 - [180]
 

Im just finishing off syndication... was enjoyable for the most part. The story was okay, I felt good understanding the motives of pator six, and I like the ambush at the end where Black eagle help you fight them, that was cool. Though the Syndicate BS pop most of your help quite quick...

The reward needs to be bigger, to be worth my time. It took me a couple of days to complete, and with ship repairs and buying modules, I actually made very little from it apart from the drone aug link, which from the looks of things is hard to shift (but useful to me).

I dont think I would do another one, unless theres more incentive. ie, better rewards, standing, story, and more epicness... The name is misleading, as as it currently stands, the only thing epic about it is the distance and time it consumes. I think Some of the faction missions have more epic ness...like that level 3 gallente where you see the hug fleet at the end. My corp and I had lots of fun, 'taking it on' even though there was no reward.

I think you need to re evaluate what the mission format should be. You should have 1 missions perhaps with several parts that effect the final mission.


e.i

Room A has a ship that you could kill or let survive which affects the final room

You kill the ship,

You get a nice reward, but makes the final battle harder in the end, with a different mission to follow afterwards



You let the ship live,

You get help in the final room from the ship and friends, with an equal reward and a different follow on mission



even then we have more interaction with the mission itself, rathe rthan go here, klill that get reward next mission.


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