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U Mad
Caldari
Helljumpers
Posted - 2009.10.29 08:42:00 - [211]
 

Originally by: Shad0wsFury
may CVA rot in hell.

Lexii Lane
Gallente
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.29 08:46:00 - [212]
 

I have seen many responses, some with good will, some with bad will, some in poor taste.

Its funny though, that the groups I have never heard of or even seen are the ones saying they are Happy CVA got disbanded. They are the ones talking smack, and delivering shallow punchlines and derogatory remarks about CVA and its members. These are the ones saying they will pirate Providence...

I find it most amusing that the true opponents, the ones we see often engaging us in our homelands are the ones who are lending support. These people who we constantly struggle with, who constantly challenge us to defend our borders, are the ones lending a sympathetic ear to the situation. In trying times, you find out what you are made of, and you find out who has honor, strength and integrity. And I am proud to say that some of our most challenging rivals have shown themselves today to be honorable pilots, and worthy opponents. I don't hold any official capacity in CVA to say anything of consequence, however I salute those groups who challenge us to better ourselves, but have the capacity within them to let go of the game for a moment and lend a hand when the enemy needs it.

It is an honor to have such worthy enemies. o7

-Lexii Lane
CVA Rookie

DeadDuck
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.29 08:52:00 - [213]
 

Just seen this tread.

I really hope you guys get in shape really fast.Neutral

Boppi
Amarr
Blue Republic
Posted - 2009.10.29 08:54:00 - [214]
 

CCP has reacted to CVAs petition, the official answer is in their internal forums.

CVA will be restored before downtime.

Caellach Marellus
Gallente
Nephtys Ventures inc
Posted - 2009.10.29 08:56:00 - [215]
 

Originally by: Boppi
CCP has reacted to CVAs petition, the official answer is in their internal forums.

CVA will be restored before downtime.


Excellent news.

Let's hope there's a revision of game mechanics when it comes to Alliance disbandings.

Jeff Anderson
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2009.10.29 09:02:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Boppi
CCP has reacted to CVAs petition, the official answer is in their internal forums.

CVA will be restored before downtime.


So BoB got the "sorry dude live with it" message but CVA get to get their alliance back? CVA has friends in CCP?

DeadDuck
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.29 09:06:00 - [217]
 

Originally by: Jeff Anderson
Originally by: Boppi
CCP has reacted to CVAs petition, the official answer is in their internal forums.

CVA will be restored before downtime.


So BoB got the "sorry dude live with it" message but CVA get to get their alliance back? CVA has friends in CCP?


From what they have said the account was hacked and the hacker disbanded the alliance. In BOB the legal user just decided to disband the alliance. It's different you know...

Lexii Lane
Gallente
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.29 09:07:00 - [218]
 

Edited by: Lexii Lane on 29/10/2009 16:39:59
gag

Boppi
Amarr
Blue Republic
Posted - 2009.10.29 09:07:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Jeff Anderson
So BoB got the "sorry dude live with it" message but CVA get to get their alliance back? CVA has friends in CCP?


Protip: Theres a difference between claiming to be hacked and proving to be hacked.

Braxton Mazimus
Caldari
Tempest Legion
Test Friends Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.10.29 09:09:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: michael weels
Originally by: Braxton Mazimus
the funny thing is EVERYONE talks major BS about CVA... but yet 99% of everyone is saying "o man this sucks i hope it works out" i for one only like CVA for the easy kills... what i tryed to figure out today was... HOW MANY PETS DO YOU HAVE?!?!?!?! my god you got a 250 person gang for 50 of us today... lol!!! thats was NUTS! maybe a bad day to attack them for fun? either way i will say if it wasnt for FATAL ASCENSION and SERV3RENCE, you would of been stomped all over...

Oh wow, ME crying about being blobbed .. lol .. Last time Triumvirate was up in Vale we faced about 300 NC members rallying for our 50 man gang.. So yeah, might want to tread easy there mate.
Difference is we don't complain, we killed about 80 of you with only about 20 losses.


U MAD?

wasnt complaining for one... i thought it was funny as none other on how fast they got 250 together on one gate... for 2 you sat in our space long enough for an extra 100 people to show up... plus you sat 150+ away from station like a bunch of pu**ies... plus when you got targeted you warped away and warped back... your tactics were lame... lol 300 your a ******... and im not your mate.. we arent in a relationship... nor are we friends LaughingLaughingLaughing

Lexii Lane
Gallente
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.29 09:12:00 - [221]
 

Edited by: Lexii Lane on 29/10/2009 16:41:06
gag

Warrio
Caldari
DarkStar 1
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.10.29 09:15:00 - [222]
 

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of blokes.

Shade Millith
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.10.29 09:26:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Boppi
CCP has reacted to CVAs petition, the official answer is in their internal forums.

CVA will be restored before downtime.


Best piece of news I've heard all day Very Happy

A'rdan Vulpayne
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Posted - 2009.10.29 09:27:00 - [224]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

This mechanic is just plain wrong. It should not be possible for any single character to disband an alliance with a couple of mouse clicks and no warning for the other alliance officers. If this was a hack - its wrong and people need banning. If it was in fact an infilitrator working long years to worm into a position of trust - I'm sorry, but its still wrong, its a flawed game mechanic that allows a single player to ruin the efforts of thousands in such a single uncounterable way.



First time i have to agree with Jade Constantine.
CCP should not ignore again this kind of kinkiness, done by mentally deranged and egohurted humans!

Khe Darkcinder
Gallente
Rising Ashes Inc.
SATRAPY
Posted - 2009.10.29 09:34:00 - [225]
 

Glad to see that everything will be back in order after DT i look forward to hunting reds with cva and libertas in the near future:)

Colonel Xaven
Caldari
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.29 09:36:00 - [226]
 

I hope CVA can fix that to provide more future pewpew.

Hacking is bad hmmkay?



PS. If the issue is going to be fixed, an official update would be much appreciated.

Jeff Anderson
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2009.10.29 09:37:00 - [227]
 

The rumor mill on another forum says CVA gets sov back but none of the stolen assets ... sounds like a workable compromise, now which is the CVA market hub, I sense some isk to be made.

Rico Minali
Gallente
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.10.29 09:38:00 - [228]
 

I have fought CVA many times, sometimes winning, sometimes not... Though they are enemies, I would not see them fall due to a hacking incident or some such thing. It shouldnt be able to happen.

How about the CSM sort this out, maybe there should be alliance executives (picked ceo's?) who have to go through a vote to do things like disband. A single click to kill an alliance is ridiculous.

Talerco
Caldari
Nictus Astartes
Talos Coalition
Posted - 2009.10.29 09:50:00 - [229]
 

Originally by: Braxton Mazimus

U MAD?

wasnt complaining for one... i thought it was funny as none other on how fast they got 250 together on one gate... for 2 you sat in our space long enough for an extra 100 people to show up... plus you sat 150+ away from station like a bunch of pu**ies... plus when you got targeted you warped away and warped back... your tactics were lame... lol 300 your a ******... and im not your mate.. we arent in a relationship... nor are we friends LaughingLaughingLaughing


U MAD?

SirMolle
Amarr
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.10.29 09:59:00 - [230]
 

Originally by: Boppi
Originally by: Jeff Anderson
So BoB got the "sorry dude live with it" message but CVA get to get their alliance back? CVA has friends in CCP?


Protip: Theres a difference between claiming to be hacked and proving to be hacked.


The exact difference in these 2 cases are the following;

1) CVA could get a hold of the person who owned the account in RL, we could not, since he was in the Canadian army.

2) CCP could apparantly pinpoint where the connection to the account was made from, in our case, CCP could not, since the offender used a proxy.

The difference is slim, but clear.

Good to see CCP taking action, and ffs, FIX this broken mechanic already.

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.29 10:09:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: Boppi
CCP has reacted to CVAs petition, the official answer is in their internal forums.

CVA will be restored before downtime.


While this is what we have been led to believe it would be unwise of us (or anyone) to count any chickens at this stage.

Whether the 'restore' happens or not I would from a personal perspective like to thank everyone who has expressed their support either in these forums, other forums or in game. It is sometimes hard to be enthused about RPing 'Amarrian space police' particularly when confronted with a never ending stream of diplomatic headaches and whinage, so it is really cool to see that some people actually appreciate what CVA has tried to build in Provi (even if from our perspective some of it is for the wrong reasons - 'you are good target practice' Wink

Anyway, while I know this is CAOD (and as such this is kind of a stupid request), I would suggest people dial down the speculation for a bit. We will make another statement when we are 100% sure on what has happened and what CCP is (or isnt) doing to correct things.

Thanks.

Boppi
Amarr
Blue Republic
Posted - 2009.10.29 10:13:00 - [232]
 

Originally by: SirMolle

The exact difference in these 2 cases are the following;

1) CVA could get a hold of the person who owned the account in RL, we could not, since he was in the Canadian army.

2) CCP could apparantly pinpoint where the connection to the account was made from, in our case, CCP could not, since the offender used a proxy.

The difference is slim, but clear.

Good to see CCP taking action, and ffs, FIX this broken mechanic already.



FYI, i thought the disbanding of BoB was just as lame as CVAs. But looks like the old BoB is down with the Clown now, interresting to see what you guys will do.

Also, you sig needs fixing ^^

MullahMogwai
Minmatar
Dromedaworks inc
The Crimson Federation
Posted - 2009.10.29 10:18:00 - [233]
 

im not crying.. im dancing :)

Stratio
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Damu'Khonde
Posted - 2009.10.29 10:22:00 - [234]
 

Glad to hear I don't need to change Poreuomai's "CVA UN-FRIENDLY" bio entry. \o/

Originally by: Colonel Xaven
PS. If the issue is going to be fixed, an official update would be much appreciated.

Agreed.

Shade Millith
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.10.29 10:29:00 - [235]
 

Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: Boppi
Originally by: Jeff Anderson
So BoB got the "sorry dude live with it" message but CVA get to get their alliance back? CVA has friends in CCP?


Protip: Theres a difference between claiming to be hacked and proving to be hacked.


The exact difference in these 2 cases are the following;

1) CVA could get a hold of the person who owned the account in RL, we could not, since he was in the Canadian army.

2) CCP could apparantly pinpoint where the connection to the account was made from, in our case, CCP could not, since the offender used a proxy.

The difference is slim, but clear.

Good to see CCP taking action, and ffs, FIX this broken mechanic already.



I agree, the whole, disband an alliance thing is just plain stupid.

But I thought it was the owner of the account that disbanded BOB? Or if it wasn't, then the guy who hacked the account still has control over it, and it wasn't as clear cut as the IP being in another country

Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari
Original Sin.
Posted - 2009.10.29 10:29:00 - [236]
 

Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: Boppi
Originally by: Jeff Anderson
So BoB got the "sorry dude live with it" message but CVA get to get their alliance back? CVA has friends in CCP?


Protip: Theres a difference between claiming to be hacked and proving to be hacked.


The exact difference in these 2 cases are the following;

1) CVA could get a hold of the person who owned the account in RL, we could not, since he was in the Canadian army.

2) CCP could apparantly pinpoint where the connection to the account was made from, in our case, CCP could not, since the offender used a proxy.

The difference is slim, but clear.

Good to see CCP taking action, and ffs, FIX this broken mechanic already.



Out of curiosity, is it still the belief of BoB that Haargoth's account was hacked?

RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Black Viper Nomads
Posted - 2009.10.29 10:30:00 - [237]
 

Crap game mechanic.

Good to hear it will be somewhat sorted out.

SirMolle
Amarr
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.10.29 10:41:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku
Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: Boppi
Originally by: Jeff Anderson
So BoB got the "sorry dude live with it" message but CVA get to get their alliance back? CVA has friends in CCP?


Protip: Theres a difference between claiming to be hacked and proving to be hacked.


The exact difference in these 2 cases are the following;

1) CVA could get a hold of the person who owned the account in RL, we could not, since he was in the Canadian army.

2) CCP could apparantly pinpoint where the connection to the account was made from, in our case, CCP could not, since the offender used a proxy.

The difference is slim, but clear.

Good to see CCP taking action, and ffs, FIX this broken mechanic already.



Out of curiosity, is it still the belief of BoB that Haargoth's account was hacked?


No. We can speculate all day and night, but to put an end to this right here and now, no, we do not belive it was hacked, we believe, since a proxy was used, that the account was handed over to a third party. And all this is water under the bridge, and over and done with. This thread is about CVA, BoB doesnt exist anymore.

General Rivera
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.10.29 10:45:00 - [239]
 

Hail CVA,

This **** really does suck, like everyone else i wouldn't like CVA to go down like this. Im apart of CVA and they are a great alliance just like any other in game, and im surprised of the support we are getting from our opponents. Its crazy how people stoop to this level instead of gaining a win, the right way.

Dhonner
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2009.10.29 10:53:00 - [240]
 

Discussion about metagaming/spying/hacking beeing a way to disband an alliance shouldnt even be a discussion. Problem here is that its way to easy and fast to disband an alliance.

Even deleting a character i dont want to keep is harder.

Really need to be a timer on this aswell, or other measures to ensure that situations like this wont happen.

On the other hand.... if there is a player out there pounding his chest and actually is proud of what he have done now i just feel real sorry for him. This isnt a big achievement or a jobb well done imo.


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