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Alanea Winddancer
Posted - 2009.10.28 23:48:00 - [61]
 

Aaah, if it is two clicks then everything is just fine...nevermind my earlier post then Rolling Eyes

Shidhe
Minmatar
The Babylon5 Consortuim
Posted - 2009.10.28 23:49:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: J'mee Leggs
Is it two clicks? Laughing


Two clicks or not two clicks? That is the question....

(Sorry, there some cues which cannot be resisted.)

Bonny Lee
Caldari
Starkstrom
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2009.10.28 23:50:00 - [63]
 

Yeah cool espionage.... its like someone gets president of the USA and tells everybody USA is no more cause he pressed a big red button... this is nothing that could ever happen to a similar entity in the real world. Espionage is fine but disbanding an alliance is one thing that shouldnt allowed to be done this way.

J'mee Leggs
Red Federation
Posted - 2009.10.28 23:53:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: J''mee Leggs on 28/10/2009 23:52:56
Originally by: Bonny Lee
Yeah cool espionage.... its like someone gets president of the USA and tells everybody USA is no more cause he pressed a big red button... this is nothing that could ever happen to a similar entity in the real world. Espionage is fine but disbanding an alliance is one thing that shouldnt allowed to be done this way.


You don't understand, the President would have to push the big red button twice.

Oriens Pars
Posted - 2009.10.28 23:55:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Textret
Don't Change a Thing!

If someone can't be absolutely trusted, don't make them a director. You can setup roles, without Director access, to do just about anything you need. If you make someone a Director and they take out the alliance, you have failed as the alliance commander and have suffered the consequence of your lack of leadership.

Life in Eve is unforgiving of failure!


Noone can be absolutely trusted. In fact CCP even encourages being untrustworthy. Kinda sad really.

Ukucia
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.10.29 00:16:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Originally by: Alanea Winddancer
I am in fact surprised that no security measures have been added against these kind of things yet. As people have mentioned already, it makes no sense that so much destruction can be caused by a single click of a mouse button.


Sure it does, or did people forget about all the events between 1950 to 1989

"The button" didn't actually exist. In the US, launching the nukes required a secure radio link, pre-shared keys, and a 2nd authorization from someone else in the line of succession.

Ringo Jeicha
Posted - 2009.10.29 00:17:00 - [67]
 

And right for dominion, gg, now goons. Serves them for prepopulating 0.0 with outposts.

Hooded Weirdo
Posted - 2009.10.29 00:23:00 - [68]
 


Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.29 00:45:00 - [69]
 


small chimp
Posted - 2009.10.29 01:11:00 - [70]
 

according to some source GMs will restore cva but not lost assetss.. So that just provest that ccp supports hacking. All lost assetss should be reimbursed.

shame on you ccp for your incompetency!

Sahriah BloodStone
Caldari
Black Skull Squadron
Posted - 2009.10.29 01:38:00 - [71]
 

To all those biased people who just want CVA dead i say this

We have a 24hr cooldown for leaving corp with roles, yet you can press a button and disband an entire alliance which costs 1bil to create in the first place, with no cooldown, no chance at changing your mind.
Logically there should be AT LEAST a 24hr period where any director/CEO can cancel the alliance disbanding. Or maybe a voting system. The current system is flawed if you look at this all logically and until now it hasnt been addressed because there has been no issues.

Analysing the way CCP have done things in the past, i beleive they will change this feature eventually, not dramatically but to bring it inline with other mechanics.

I nor like or hate CVA for the record, they do not effect me.

small chimp
Posted - 2009.10.29 02:02:00 - [72]
 

according to some source GMs will restore cva but not lost assetss.. So that just provest that ccp supports hacking. All lost assetss should be reimbursed.

shame on you ccp for your incompetency!

AvaAlt
Posted - 2009.10.29 02:07:00 - [73]
 

****ty feature. One click to screw over several hundred players, not good.

Criztian Gaeta
Posted - 2009.10.29 02:26:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Criztian Gaeta on 29/10/2009 02:28:16
*signed*

I understand that people get ****ed off, and I accept that. I don't care if someone empties out a corp hanger and runs off. That's fine...

But disbanding an entire Alliance with the simple click... I dunno... it seems a bit much.

Like if an employee of a company get's ****ed off they may steal stuff from the company or spread lies, but they can't very well fire everyone and shut down the company...

It's harder to leave a corporation then it is to disband an alliance.

It just doesn't make sense to me that a single player has this much power. It's just silly.

And in cases like these with hacking it's just not right. Most people that think people who want the system changed are "cry babies" only say this because it hasn't happened to them, I'm willing to bet they'd be singing a different tune if it was their Alliance who got disbanded because someone had their account hacked.

Azrael Acid
Gallente
Pwn 'N Play
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.29 02:44:00 - [75]
 

*SIGNED, DOUBLE SIGNED.*

30,000 people on Tranquility ( approximately ). At $14.95 a month each. $450,000 ( approximately )a month CCP earns from this game. And they can't figure out a way to make it harder to hack accounts or disband an alliance...hmmmm something's wrong here. This is the 4th time this MONTH that a person's account that I know has been hacked. 1 of them from my own corp. Dude STILL doesn't have his assets back. This is becoming a severe, and serious problem, an infestation that will only grow greater if nothing is done to counter it. It's as bad as identity theft imo. CCP FIX IT. Hackers, I just want to say to you, you are spineless cowards, who don't have enough character, or dignity to work for your gains. I guess cheating is the only way you can feel powerful, or acquire any ego. Very pathetic.Rolling Eyes To those of you in support of a fix, both in game friends and enemies alike, thank you for your respect.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.10.29 02:48:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Azrael Acid
*SIGNED, DOUBLE SIGNED.*

30,000 people on Tranquility ( approximately ). At $14.95 a month each. $450,000 ( approximately )a month CCP earns from this game. And they can't figure out a way to make it harder to hack accounts or disband an alliance...hmmmm something's wrong here. This is the 4th time this MONTH that a person's account that I know has been hacked. 1 of them from my own corp. Dude STILL doesn't have his assets back. This is becoming a severe, and serious problem, an infestation that will only grow greater if nothing is done to counter it. It's as bad as identity theft imo. CCP FIX IT. Hackers, I just want to say to you, you are spineless cowards, who don't have enough character, or dignity to work for your gains. I guess cheating is the only way you can feel powerful, or acquire any ego. Very pathetic.Rolling Eyes To those of you in support of a fix, both in game friends and enemies alike, thank you for your respect.
Uhh. There are around 300,000 subs, so its nearer 4,500,000. Lets say 4,000,000 to be safe.

Azrael Acid
Gallente
Pwn 'N Play
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.29 03:07:00 - [77]
 

Quote:
Uhh. There are around 300,000 subs, so its nearer 4,500,000. Lets say 4,000,000 to be safe.


Hence why I said "approximate", I was not counting the subs... but now that you mention it. Yeah.Shocked

Captain Mastiff
Posted - 2009.10.29 03:54:00 - [78]
 

signed.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.10.29 04:00:00 - [79]
 

/signed

When one emo bastage can nullify all the hard work and time spent of thousands of players in less than a minute with a few clicks of the mouse then something is not right with the mechanic. At the very least make it were you need two directors to verify the disband or as others have said make it a vote with a 24 hour timer.

Rotnac
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.10.29 04:21:00 - [80]
 

I enjoy reading about these espionage activities. One more example of why corps and alliances need to be careful.

Although I'll possibly go along with a 24 hr timer for the executor corp to leave an alliance. Although I'm assuming that if there's no other corps in the alliance, the executor corp can't stop being the executor corp.

Let other corps leave/get kicked instantly though, as now. Its needed for alliance security reasons.

StealthNet
Gallente
Posted - 2009.10.29 05:00:00 - [81]
 

Assuming that someone "hacked" an account to accomplish this:

Most forms of "hacking" are considered illegal. This is issue #1.

If people conspired in real life, to get the RL resources (and managed to successfully accomplish it) to intentionally hack an EVE account, well, it really doesn´t matter what they did ingame, imho, that itself is a bannable offense - not only a bad case o metagaming, but metagaming through illegal activity. This is issue #2.

Now, issue #3 - that´s about the game mechanics and UI design, regarding the alliance controls.

Tbh, if hacking was the way used to get in, I hope that CCP find the ppl that did it and permaban all of them.

Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2009.10.29 05:08:00 - [82]
 

Such a realistic and well balanced game mechanic. Bravo CCP for your foresight

/golfclap
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CCP Applebabe

Posted - 2009.10.29 05:12:00 - [83]
 

Please keep the discussion here .


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