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Ukucia
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.10.29 19:12:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: weat bix
I understand why people are upset with CVA disbanding/being hacked.
But as ccp wrangler posted it was done because the player went to an isk seller For this reason they should not have been restored "buy isk pay the price" for one of the oldest corps to be found buying isk should make all honest players leave that corp. Those who buy isk are worse than those selling it.

RMTers hack accounts to get ISK to sell to other people. It's a lot faster, easier and cheaper than macroing it or buying it. Being hacked by RMTers doesn't mean you used their services....in fact most RMTers would rather have your repeat business and thus don't target their customers.

Aquillar
Minmatar
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
The Chamber of Commerce
Posted - 2009.10.29 19:27:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: Ukucia
RMTers hack accounts to get ISK to sell to other people. It's a lot faster, easier and cheaper than macroing it or buying it. Being hacked by RMTers doesn't mean you used their services....in fact most RMTers would rather have your repeat business and thus don't target their customers.
This is the point CCP has been trying to drive home to everyone. By using ISK buying services in the first place, you are supporting them in their quest to get more ISK by any means necessary. At the same time, a victim that never did anything wrong is having 5 years of game time reduced to almost nothing.

When I got my account back all my ships were gone except some n00b ships and shuttles, and active was my Daredevil with my True Sansha Warp Disruptor in the cargobay...ready to go. All modules and ships were sold to the highest bidder (as we all know, that's usually not a lot of ISK) or else reprocessed. 5 years worth of assets.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2009.10.29 19:34:00 - [183]
 

Ukucia:
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Do you have any idea how much ISK they could get for disbanding CVA? When you've been around that long, you've got a lot of enemies.

Yes I do. But Isk sellers do not tend to make those kinds of contacts. They don't play the game to interact.
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Another possibility is that they hoped the chaos would help them get away with the loot.

Possibly, but drawing that much attention to yourself immediately is very much a case of shooting yourself in the foot.
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Another possibility is CCP is claiming it's RMTers, but it was someone with a grudge using a keylogger developed by RMTers.

Again, possible. But why would CCP care enough to lie about it?
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And so on and so on. We simply don't have enough info to make any judgments.

Agreed. That is why I made no judgements, merely made an observation. This is a "first time" situation, in that it seems to be the first time an isk seller/hacker has gone beyond taking assets in this manner. We'll have to see if more of this type of activity takes place. Hopefully its not the start of a trend.

Aquillar:
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I do security consulting for major banks because I know what I'm doing.

Statements like this tend to raise eyebrows around here. Very Happy You seem to be insinuating that it can't be your problem, it must be an internal problem at CCP. Frankly, there is no evidence what-so-ever to support this. I would also think that a security consultant would be aware that the IP address of those involved would not be released to anyone (outside of a law enforcement agency if they were involved).

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I don't understand where there's a lack of accuracy in that statement.

You state repeatedly that CCP has not done anything to help solve your problem. This is inaccurate. According to your posts your isk has been refunded, and you have been advised that your password has been comprimised and to take appropriate steps. CCP has taken all reasonable steps. That is far from doing nothing to help you. What do you expect them to do, help you stage an international man hunt so that you can track down the culprit and wring your internet spaceship assets out of the transgressors neck? Please.

So wipe your computer to be safe, change your password, and move on. Oh, and stop posting GM correspondence in the forum. For an infallible security consultant you sure break a lot of rules and make a lot of basic mistakes.

small chimp
Posted - 2009.10.29 19:39:00 - [184]
 

Hmm... According to some sources some ccp dev stated yesterday that they are happy with current alliance disband system and won't change it.

MisterBubbles
Posted - 2009.10.29 19:41:00 - [185]
 

Originally by: Winters Chill

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I refuse to believe that someone who would call themselves 50cent would have the savvy wit or will to pull off such a monumental act of cold revenge. NOT in my world anyway.


That's likely exactly how they pulled it off.

Aquillar
Minmatar
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
The Chamber of Commerce
Posted - 2009.10.29 19:57:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Aquillar:
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I do security consulting for major banks because I know what I'm doing.

Statements like this tend to raise eyebrows around here. Very Happy You seem to be insinuating that it can't be your problem, it must be an internal problem at CCP. Frankly, there is no evidence what-so-ever to support this. I would also think that a security consultant would be aware that the IP address of those involved would not be released to anyone (outside of a law enforcement agency if they were involved).
I'm trying to say that I'm not a script kiddie, I know what I'm doing with real world experience. Like I also said earlier, under Canadian law my request was not outlandish.

Originally by: Ranger 1
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I don't understand where there's a lack of accuracy in that statement.

You state repeatedly that CCP has not done anything to help solve your problem. This is inaccurate. According to your posts your isk has been refunded, and you have been advised that your password has been comprimised and to take appropriate steps. CCP has taken all reasonable steps. That is far from doing nothing to help you. What do you expect them to do, help you stage an international man hunt so that you can track down the culprit and wring your internet spaceship assets out of the transgressors neck? Please.

ISK that was transferred to other ISK buyers was refunded only, that hardily reflects the value of the ships and modules that the ISK came from.

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So wipe your computer to be safe, change your password, and move on. Oh, and stop posting GM correspondence in the forum. For an infallible security consultant you sure break a lot of rules and make a lot of basic mistakes.

Move on? I hate to say it but I really hope you get hacked too. Or better yet, sell ALL your assets to the highest immediate buy order on market, reprocess whatever is left and sell the minerals, then we can both move on together!

I didn't do anything wrong by posting those excerpts either. Hate to inform you this but CCP isn't going to give you ISK for opposing people that say negative things towards them ;) Please stop posting.

So it looks like the lesson learned is this: If you notice EVEmon says your wallet is empty, ignore it for a few days until a corp member calls you and yells at you for cleaning out the corp wallets. Then raise the issue with CCP, and watch them restore you and your corp back? I really feel like my active response and due diligence is causing me most of my headaches here. I promise it will never happen again (on EVE)! Can I have my stuff back now?

small chimp
Posted - 2009.10.29 20:13:00 - [187]
 


Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2009.10.29 20:16:00 - [188]
 

Edited by: Bumblefck on 29/10/2009 20:18:32
Originally by: Aquillar
Like I also said earlier, under Canadian law my request was not outlandish.





Is it possible you could go for one moment without mentioning the mythical and wonderous

Canadian law


as a sort of all-encompassing basis for making an argument about internet spaceships theft? Please? Surprised



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I didn't do anything wrong by posting those excerpts either



I think you did actually.

Rhak Amharr
Minmatar
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.10.29 20:17:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Night Epoch
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
After receiving a petition from CVA regarding their alliance being disbanded we launched an investigation as per our policy. Our experience in similar situations has often been that accounts were not hacked but, rather, the alliances were disbanded due to failed payment or enemy infiltration. In this case, however, we discovered that the account of the alliance executor was hacked by ISK sellers.



Endless thanks to CCP for their timely actions to restore CVA from this travesty.

If we needed any more demonstration that ISK sellers are a bane to all of EVE, let this be it.

Are you seriously this dumb or did I miss a troll? I'm not saying restoring CVA is a bad thing btw. Jesus ****ing christ, people like you make the real world a worse place to be than it has to be. I'm seriously raging right now.

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.29 20:24:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: weat bix

I understand why people are upset with CVA disbanding/being hacked.
But as ccp wrangler posted it was done because the player went to an isk seller



No - he did not say that. He said the account was hacked by an ISK seller. You don't have to be buying ISK to be hacked.

As I have already stated in this thread the CVA Director whose account was hacked has been a member for over three years. We have a pretty damn good idea about how he makes its ISK and it involves a lot of hard work.

Aquillar
Minmatar
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
The Chamber of Commerce
Posted - 2009.10.29 20:29:00 - [191]
 

Originally by: Bumblefck
Edited by: Bumblefck on 29/10/2009 20:18:32
Originally by: Aquillar
Like I also said earlier, under Canadian law my request was not outlandish.





Is it possible you could go for one moment without mentioning the mythical and wonderous

Canadian law


as a sort of all-encompassing basis for making an argument about internet spaceships theft? Please? Surprised



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I didn't do anything wrong by posting those excerpts either



I think you did actually.
Hardily the basis of any argument, just an example. Chances are pretty good that whatever your country is, they have a similar privacy law. I didn't name any names or reveal any private/secret information in the excerpts. There's no confidentiality notice on the email anywhere, In fact, I could just as easily post the entire thread URL right here for you to view for yourself as there is no authentication required to view it. Please read more into the things you are posting about people!

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2009.10.29 20:33:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Aquillar
Hardily the basis of any argument, just an example. Chances are pretty good that whatever your country is, they have a similar privacy law.



You'd think wrong. There are no such laws pertaining to that particular field here yet, sadly.


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I didn't name any names or reveal any private/secret information in the excerpts. There's no confidentiality notice on the email anywhere, In fact, I could just as easily post the entire thread URL right here for you to view for yourself as there is no authentication required to view it. Please read more into the things you are posting about people!


If I may point you to the forum rules (which you've no doubt read and this is all an elaborate troll, in which case IBT)...

Originally by: Them's the Rules
9. Private communication between the Game Masters, Eve Team members, moderators and administrators of the forum and the forum users is not to be made public on these forums or by any other venue.
You are not permitted to publicize any private correspondence (including petitions) received from any of the aforementioned.



I assume those were your petitions that you quoted before?

Joe Skellington
Minmatar
Matari Legion Holding
Matari Legion
Posted - 2009.10.29 20:35:00 - [193]
 

Glad you guys got your stuff back.

Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: weat bix

I understand why people are upset with CVA disbanding/being hacked.
But as ccp wrangler posted it was done because the player went to an isk seller



No - he did not say that. He said the account was hacked by an ISK seller. You don't have to be buying ISK to be hacked.

As I have already stated in this thread the CVA Director whose account was hacked has been a member for over three years. We have a pretty damn good idea about how he makes its ISK and it involves a lot of hard work.

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2009.10.29 20:35:00 - [194]
 

I am sorry if my original post was unclear on this subject, the account was hacked by an ISK seller but I did not intend to insinuate that it was hacked because the account owner was purchasing ISK. There are many ways to get hacked, of course you may be using a weak password or you may use the login credentials for EVE on a third party website and so on. You can also be the victim of a keylogger.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.10.29 20:42:00 - [195]
 

Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/10/2009 20:43:00
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
I am sorry if my original post was unclear on this subject, the account was hacked by an ISK seller but I did not intend to insinuate that it was hacked because the account owner was purchasing ISK. There are many ways to get hacked, of course you may be using a weak password or you may use the login credentials for EVE on a third party website and so on. You can also be the victim of a keylogger.
Thanks for clearing this, Wrangler. But the CVA haters and the perma-tinfoil-hat wearers will not be satisfied until you turn over a witch for their witch hunt.

For what it's worth thanks for clearing up any doubts there might have been against the CEO.


Azrael Acid
Gallente
Pwn 'N Play
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.29 20:56:00 - [196]
 

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I understand why people are upset with CVA disbanding/being hacked. But as ccp wrangler posted it was done because the player went to an isk seller For this reason they should not have been restored "buy isk pay the price" for one of the oldest corps to be found buying isk should make all honest players leave that corp. Those who buy isk are worse than those selling it. Yet i see everyone ignoring the wrongs of CVA and instead praising them for cheating So i have come to understand that if your corp gets big enough you can do as you like however if you are a small corp or solo player there is no help to be found from anywhere.


Sigh... Show of hands: How many people posting in this forum are children? Do you have the wherewithal to actually READ and/or RESEARCH what you are posting about? Do you even have an idea of what's going on? Or are you randomly posting just to post? Seriously, no sarcasm intended. I just want to know.

[insert sarcasm] Take off the tinfoil hats, so this can actually be etched into your cornea and further absorbed into your brain for processing and understanding:

FOR THE LAST TIME: IT WAS NOT A CVA CEO WHO GOT HACKED. IT WAS A DIRECTOR. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE AN ISK BUYER TO BE HACKED BY AN ISK SELLER. CCP DID NOT SAY THE DIRECTOR BOUGHT ISK.
When you are a victim, how is it any fault of yours? Do **** victims get grief because they were victims and got ****d? Cause that's what happened here.
PEOPLE GET HACKED EVERYWHERE ON THE INTERNET, NOT JUST IN EVE.

Thank god you aren't a news reporter, you would have been sued 10 times over and fired for misquoting.
Jeez, be informed on what you re posting about before you post and embarrass yourself.Rolling EyesRolling Eyes

OMGWHATISHEDOING
Posted - 2009.10.29 20:56:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
After receiving a petition from CVA regarding their alliance being disbanded we launched an investigation as per our policy. Our experience in similar situations has often been that accounts were not hacked but, rather, the alliances were disbanded due to failed payment or enemy infiltration. In this case, however, we discovered that the account of the alliance executor was hacked by ISK sellers.

CCP needs you to help us fight RMT by not buying ISK! It may seem like a minor thing to do, all things considered, but keep in mind that these people steal credit cards and hack accounts to get ISK to sell. By choosing to purchase their ISK you are creating a demand for their services and the illegal activities that support them.


So CCP why help them? I resub and find my 40 million sp character jacked and told tuff ****. I'm pretty sure I know how it happened but whatever. The sad thing is the guy just sits there.

This still doesn't add up. How could have been hacked without more damage to more players accounts? I find it hard to belieavr these vile isk sellers are breaking into you db. So much more damage would have been done.

So this falls under the following possibilites.

He bought isk from the sellers and setup an account with them for future discounts using the same username and password.

He gave them CC info and they filed a petition and of couse checked cc info and passed details. I find this hard to believe because you would have sent the Password to the register mailbox.

He used a powerlevel service hence account shared.

He downloaded some random exe off the boards and had a logger installed.

This is a complete lie and the idiot either accidently disbaned the alliance or did it on purpose and felt guilty and you covered for them.

Mostly this boils down to why are most people told tough luck they are responsable for thier accounts but you show favratism and restore most of the damage.

If it was a hack. Why did such a clever person not run around jacking silo supplies and unanchor towers and empty the wallet leaving the damage in place and the account holder looking guilty and nit hacked.

Azrael Acid
Gallente
Pwn 'N Play
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.29 21:01:00 - [198]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/10/2009 20:43:00
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
I am sorry if my original post was unclear on this subject, the account was hacked by an ISK seller but I did not intend to insinuate that it was hacked because the account owner was purchasing ISK. There are many ways to get hacked, of course you may be using a weak password or you may use the login credentials for EVE on a third party website and so on. You can also be the victim of a keylogger.
Thanks for clearing this, Wrangler. But the CVA haters and the perma-tinfoil-hat wearers will not be satisfied until you turn over a witch for their witch hunt.

For what it's worth thanks for clearing up any doubts there might have been against the CEO.





And of course, this was posted while I was writing my previous rant. Thanks for clearing it up Wrangler.Very Happy Finally that argument is settled. And I agree with you completely Matrix Skye. With all your posts actually. Refreshing for someone to make sense. I'll shut up now.

Dani Leone
Gallente
Positively Idle
Posted - 2009.10.29 21:06:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
I am sorry if my original post was unclear on this subject, the account was hacked by an ISK seller but I did not intend to insinuate that it was hacked because the account owner was purchasing ISK. There are many ways to get hacked, of course you may be using a weak password or you may use the login credentials for EVE on a third party website and so on. You can also be the victim of a keylogger.


I'm wondering if it may be time for you guys to introduce something extra in the security department here, such as giving us the opportunity to use a challenge response device such as my bank recently sent me, or smart card reader, or even something similar to this evil link to WoW store containing such a device.

Nebulous
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.10.29 21:07:00 - [200]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
I am sorry if my original post was unclear on this subject, the account was hacked by an ISK seller but I did not intend to insinuate that it was hacked because the account owner was purchasing ISK. There are many ways to get hacked, of course you may be using a weak password or you may use the login credentials for EVE on a third party website and so on. You can also be the victim of a keylogger.



So lets get this straight, you are telling me that an isk seller has just so happened to hack the account of a CVA director? And went on to disband the alliance? (why would they disband the alliance by the way?)

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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
Posted - 2009.10.29 21:07:00 - [201]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/10/2009 20:43:00
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
I am sorry if my original post was unclear on this subject, the account was hacked by an ISK seller but I did not intend to insinuate that it was hacked because the account owner was purchasing ISK. There are many ways to get hacked, of course you may be using a weak password or you may use the login credentials for EVE on a third party website and so on. You can also be the victim of a keylogger.
Thanks for clearing this, Wrangler. But the CVA haters and the perma-tinfoil-hat wearers will not be satisfied until you turn over a witch for their witch hunt.

For what it's worth thanks for clearing up any doubts there might have been against the CEO.




I missed the part where CCP Wrangler said the "victim" was NOT trading isk with RMTers. He states that he didn't mean to insinuate that, but he doesn't state that members of CVA accounts have been checked and there is no evidence of such activity.

This most recent statement by CCP is most craftily written. CCP Wrangler should run for political office. I believe it's called 'plausible deniability.'

Bravo.

ISHKUR MASTER
Gallente
Posted - 2009.10.29 21:12:00 - [202]
 

Besides the recent keyloggers from linking in the forums.

For all the recent hacks - didn't hotmail/live users get their passwords database compromised recently?

Possibly this sort of action has a rl market for the hackers of such, selling those login details etc to associated other corrupt organisations.

And recently, when Dominion details were released, with the first video that everyone watched (almost) on the german gaming site, anyone notice that the pop ups/flash adds were isk seller banners. I wonder almost whether there is a compromise within flash - being that it was just patched in the last couple of weeks for whatever reason.

Nebulous
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.10.29 21:12:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Thanks for clearing this, Wrangler. But the CVA haters and the perma-tinfoil-hat wearers will not be satisfied until you turn over a witch for their witch hunt.

For what it's worth thanks for clearing up any doubts there might have been against the CEO.




Yes because the community should take the word of CCP as bond, because their has never been any previous incidents of Developer misconduct now has there?

Mud sticks.


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Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2009.10.29 21:18:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Thanks for clearing this, Wrangler. But the CVA haters and the perma-tinfoil-hat wearers will not be satisfied until you turn over a witch for their witch hunt.

For what it's worth thanks for clearing up any doubts there might have been against the CEO.




Yes because the community should take the word of CCP as bond, because their has never been any previous incidents of Developer misconduct now has there?

Mud sticks.

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So what you are saying is that since CCP said that there is no reason to assume the hacked account bought ISK, you dont belief it, but when CCP says he is hacked by ISK seller you do belief it and you make up for yourself that he bought isk.

And now we got your tinfoil hat theory that dev alt bought isk from isk sellers and uses dev account for cover up. Wouldnt iut have been way easier if that dev would have just given the isk directly? In other words, get over yourself, isk hackers hacked someone, stuff is rolled back.


And hotmail/gmail databases werent hacked (then damage would have been huge), just from some accounts they got passwords. Since this was probably done via the: look who blocked you on msn sites there was a high number of hotmail accounts involved.

Trellish
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.10.29 21:21:00 - [205]
 

Edited by: Trellish on 29/10/2009 21:22:37
CVA... I'm glad it looks like your getting your alliance back.


I'm red to you at the moment... but regardless of red or blue, I'd be bummed to see you go down this way. Seeing bob go down like this was bad... but at least that was a little more valid since it involved a real member turning traitor. Seeing it happen again, and due to hacks really makes it obvious that it's a little too easy to take down an alliance via these means. I really hope CCP makes closing an alliance a bit more safeguarded... I know that if I were CEO of a company/country/whatever, I'd make shutting down everything take a bit more....

quick edit in regards to the conversation above... I kinda doubt that a dev alt would be buying isk.... that's pretty far up there in my list of unlikely things in eve.

Ukucia
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.10.29 21:23:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1

Quote:
Another possibility is CCP is claiming it's RMTers, but it was someone with a grudge using a keylogger developed by RMTers.

Again, possible. But why would CCP care enough to lie about it?

CCP wouldn't know. To them, it would look just like a keylogger used by an RMTer. They have no way of knowing if the info was sent to an IP owned by a RMTer or owned by someone out to hurt CVA.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.10.29 21:23:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Thanks for clearing this, Wrangler. But the CVA haters and the perma-tinfoil-hat wearers will not be satisfied until you turn over a witch for their witch hunt.

For what it's worth thanks for clearing up any doubts there might have been against the CEO.




Yes because the community should take the word of CCP as bond, because their has never been any previous incidents of Developer misconduct now has there?

Mud sticks.


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LaughingI love it! No matter what CCP says they'll be wrong. When they say blue, it's because it's green. When they say green, it's because it's pink inside and they don't want to admit it. You peeps have been wearing those hats for too long, seriously.


Nebulous
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.10.29 21:24:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer

but when CCP says he is hacked by ISK seller you do belief it


Erm... No!


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Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2009.10.29 21:30:00 - [209]
 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 29/10/2009 21:39:03
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I know what I'm doing with real world experience. Like I also said earlier, under Canadian law my request was not outlandish.

Asking a company for the IP address of the person that hacked your account actually is an odd request, and one not likely to be granted anywhere. The point is relatively moot though, considering CCP is based in Iceland, not in Canada.

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ISK that was transferred to other ISK buyers was refunded only, that hardily reflects the value of the ships and modules that the ISK came from.


This was explained to you in comprehensive detail. I'm not going to go over it again.

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Move on? I hate to say it but I really hope you get hacked too. Or better yet, sell ALL your assets to the highest immediate buy order on market, reprocess whatever is left and sell the minerals, then we can both move on together!


Yes, move on. You have gotten as much reimbursement as you are going to get, and told (in general terms) who the culprit is, how it was likely done, and what steps you should take to ensure that it does not happen again. Insisting CCP did "nothing" for you is hardly accurate. It is time for you to take the steps necessary to ensure it doesn't happen again and get on with the game.

By the way, if it does happen to me I won't waste everyone time by claiming "It could never be my fault, I am a security GOD. It HAS to be an inside job I tell yas". Instead I will take the approprate steps, and then continue with enjoying the game. I'll leave the intense drama to you.

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I didn't do anything wrong by posting those excerpts either. Hate to inform you this but CCP isn't going to give you ISK for opposing people that say negative things towards them ;) Please stop posting.


I won't post the proof of your error, that was done within a couple of minutes of your post by someone else. My posts haven't exactly been completely positive towards CCP in this thread, but I have no compunction about pointing out when someone is venting their spleen unneccessarily. This thread is done, so I'll happily stop posting. Might I suggest you give some thought to yours from now on.

Nebulous
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.10.29 21:32:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
LaughingI love it! No matter what CCP says they'll be wrong. When they say blue, it's because it's green. When they say green, it's because it's pink inside and they don't want to admit it. You peeps have been wearing those hats for too long, seriously.





No it is because I have a brain, if you expect me to believe a director of one of the most succesful alliances in EVE got turned over by an isk seller then you are sadly mistaken.

My point is that if in the past CCP had kept their noses clean I would just accept their reasoning as fact, but as it stands it seems very dubious.


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