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VaL Iscariot
Caldari
The Concilium Enterprises
Spectrum Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:34:00 - [181]
 

this is weak. why is there not a voting system to stop this kind of thing? Even if it was legit, one person shouldn't have full control of an alliance of thousands of people.

I love how U'K and -a- members are like "what the F*** is this crap? I wanted a real fight!"

GF guys Cool
See you out in Prov YARRRR!!

Rbit Lsi
Caldari
Deadly Science
Eternal Defiance
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:34:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: Soldur
to kbp batman


i love u



Where is your god now, CVA?

Azran Zala
Caldari
Fleet of the Damned
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:35:00 - [183]
 

Edited by: Azran Zala on 28/10/2009 20:37:28
Originally by: Gnulpie
Strange.

For doing even a tiny fart you need a 24h voting in every corp. But disbanding alliances can be done within a second.

When will CCP finally fix the lack of tools for alliance management?


This.

Still think being able to disband an alliance in one click is bull****. Dont have any feelings for cva... but its pretty ****ty none the less.

Edit: forgot the compulsury Epic! CVA disbanded... WOWShocked

Snot Shot
Minmatar
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:36:00 - [184]
 


Will we get to see another “Birth Right” post from Darius and a couple hundred short yellow school buses heading out of Delve now? Very Happy

Graalum
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:36:00 - [185]
 

Edited by: Graalum on 28/10/2009 20:35:57
so you post this:

Originally by: Chaos Hellbreth


I'm sorry that logic skipped a generation in your family.




after posting this:
Quote:
Because they basically held space for no real reason at all. They openly invited others to come and exploit their own space. The whole purpose of holding space in EVE is to exploit it yourself... why hold it... for others to exploit? Just seemed like a poor use of space (albeit subpar space) to me.


pro-tip: some people don't play this game to be a carebear ***got, and CVA had themselves a prime situation to get tons of targets with minimal carebear ***gotry. I'm sure they got absolutely nothing out of the deal, and that's how they afforded to drop 20 outposts and pvp all day everyday.

Kara Mitsui
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:38:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Xious


No, I completely agree, my point was just that CCP surely can't sort this stuff out for people, simply because the user inadvertantly made an error on their end, completely unrelated to anything that CCP, as a company, owns.

It'd be akin to someone buying a MacDonalds, walking out and then getting run over, because he didn't look before crossing the road.


No, that's a terrible analogy. Let's say you followed a link from here to some screenshot related to a forum post. Without you knowing, the web server sent a trojan keylogger and your system became infected.

Within 12 hours it has captured everything you've typed through multiple eve sessions and sent it all to some anonymous email account on gmail.

The recipient combs the data and figures out your account name and password. They log in, sell all your stuff, transfer all the isk to some disposable alt, make some rude forum posts in your name and then log out.

You know that CCP can reverse all those actions reasonably easily. Do you think they should?

All you did was click on a link on the CCP forums to an external site. Sure you go through the 'external link' warning page but there was nothing in the URL that looked dodgy. You click on these links dozens of times a day. How could it be your fault that you got hacked like that?

I am sure you would be mightily ****ed if CCP refused to do anything and your account was left with zero ISK and zero assets. Then a week later CCP puts your account 10b isk in negative because you transferred all that money to a known isk-seller account.

How do you feel about that?

Chaos Hellbreth
Caldari
Drusus Mercenaries
Sylph Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:38:00 - [187]
 

Edited by: Chaos Hellbreth on 28/10/2009 20:46:41
Originally by: DrMaddog

to me this wannabe is something. He managed to complete what he set out to do.


Right... he did it illegally and outside of the bounds of the game of EVE. If there was a hacking mechanic implemented into the game itself, this would be all well and good, but its not. This is akin to breaking the laws of physics or whatever and exploiting a loophole in creation to make yourself a galactic dictator. Props to ya for figuring it out and all, but if we allow CVA to be disbanded this way... why not allow such players to hack the game and give themselves trillions of isk to do with as they please, or lets allow them to take over your account Maddog, and make all the real world money you have poured into the game all for nothing.

Originally by: graalum

pro-tip: some people don't play this game to be a carebear ***got, and CVA had themselves a prime situation to get tons of targets with minimal carebear ***gotry. I'm sure they got absolutely nothing out of the deal, and that's how they afforded to drop 20 outposts and pvp all day everyday.


and your point is....? That I should love CVA and get on my knees and grovel because you said so? because I am a member of an alliance that is closely associated with them? I might be an American, but do I have to adore and love Canada or Mexico because we share the same continent and they are our largest trading partners? No. No, I dont.

Again, it is MY OPINION of them, which I am entitled to. If you don't like it, thats fine, but you don't have to go enforcing YOUR OPINION on me. Yeah, they had a good thing going for themselves, but it doesn't mean I have to like the way it was done. Just like how certain other major alliances presently have similarly good situations for themselves. Doesn't mean I have to like the way that came about...

Zarak1 Kenpach1
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:41:00 - [188]
 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hobo

Boomershoot
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:41:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Kara Mitsui
Originally by: Xious


No, I completely agree, my point was just that CCP surely can't sort this stuff out for people, simply because the user inadvertantly made an error on their end, completely unrelated to anything that CCP, as a company, owns.

It'd be akin to someone buying a MacDonalds, walking out and then getting run over, because he didn't look before crossing the road.


No, that's a terrible analogy. Let's say you followed a link from here to some screenshot related to a forum post. Without you knowing, the web server sent a trojan keylogger and your system became infected.

Within 12 hours it has captured everything you've typed through multiple eve sessions and sent it all to some anonymous email account on gmail.

The recipient combs the data and figures out your account name and password. They log in, sell all your stuff, transfer all the isk to some disposable alt, make some rude forum posts in your name and then log out.

You know that CCP can reverse all those actions reasonably easily. Do you think they should?

All you did was click on a link on the CCP forums to an external site. Sure you go through the 'external link' warning page but there was nothing in the URL that looked dodgy. You click on these links dozens of times a day. How could it be your fault that you got hacked like that?

I am sure you would be mightily ****ed if CCP refused to do anything and your account was left with zero ISK and zero assets. Then a week later CCP puts your account 10b isk in negative because you transferred all that money to a known isk-seller account.

How do you feel about that?


I don't know, i don't use IE

Azran Zala
Caldari
Fleet of the Damned
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:41:00 - [190]
 

Edited by: Azran Zala on 28/10/2009 21:53:19
Originally by: Graalum

pro-tip: some people don't play this game to be a carebear ***got, and CVA had themselves a prime situation to get tons of targets with minimal carebear ***gotry. I'm sure they got absolutely nothing out of the deal, and that's how they afforded to drop 20 outposts and pvp all day everyday.


Exactly... CVA is like a shining example of success. Whether u love them or hate them. Not Cool to seem them taken out in such a lame way.

arbalesttom
Caldari
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:42:00 - [191]
 

Edited by: arbalesttom on 28/10/2009 20:44:21
Originally by: Lykouleon
Originally by: Chirinako
I really, really DARE someone to attack providence right now. Go for it Cool


Already hacking


Rolling EyesWink

On a sidenote...sorry to hear this CVA.

Kattalist
Amarr
Scorpus Legion
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:42:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Kara Mitsui
Originally by: Xious


No, I completely agree, my point was just that CCP surely can't sort this stuff out for people, simply because the user inadvertantly made an error on their end, completely unrelated to anything that CCP, as a company, owns.

It'd be akin to someone buying a MacDonalds, walking out and then getting run over, because he didn't look before crossing the road.


No, that's a terrible analogy. Let's say you followed a link from here to some screenshot related to a forum post. Without you knowing, the web server sent a trojan keylogger and your system became infected.

Within 12 hours it has captured everything you've typed through multiple eve sessions and sent it all to some anonymous email account on gmail.

The recipient combs the data and figures out your account name and password. They log in, sell all your stuff, transfer all the isk to some disposable alt, make some rude forum posts in your name and then log out.

You know that CCP can reverse all those actions reasonably easily. Do you think they should?

All you did was click on a link on the CCP forums to an external site. Sure you go through the 'external link' warning page but there was nothing in the URL that looked dodgy. You click on these links dozens of times a day. How could it be your fault that you got hacked like that?

I am sure you would be mightily ****ed if CCP refused to do anything and your account was left with zero ISK and zero assets. Then a week later CCP puts your account 10b isk in negative because you transferred all that money to a known isk-seller account.

How do you feel about that?


Well, the good thing with my account hack was that the idiot that did it transferred the ISK directly to his main in the big alliance. CCP gave me what I lost and took action against the fool that did it. It just sucks that hacking is getting easier and easier for any fool with a PC, an e-mail account, and a few DOS tools.

Feyona
Caldari
Time Bandits.
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:42:00 - [193]
 

Sorry to see you guys go out like this, I hope you're able to put it back together. Provi was my first introduction to 0.0 when I was a newbie and now one of the best places to go for pewpew... Confused

Enkiii
Minmatar
Fervens Incendia
INQUISITION.
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:42:00 - [194]
 

If CVA is really gone that would be a loss for New Eden.
I lived in Providence for 4 months in a CVA holder alliance; it was a rich, engaging and fun environment. I learned a lot.
U'K would lose out on Targets, as well as their opportunity for righteous indignation at the Slavers.
New players would lose out on the best opportunity to get their feet wet in 0.0.
The adjacent power blocks might gain some systems out of the whole deal, but they'd lose out on the opportunity to legitimately defeat their long-standing enemy.

Taram Caldar
Caldari
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:42:00 - [195]
 

Originally by: Chaos Hellbreth
Originally by: DrMaddog

to me this wannabe is something. He managed to complete what he set out to do.


Right... he did it illegally and outside of the bounds of the game of EVE. If there was a hacking mechanic implemented into the game itself, this would be all well and good, but its not. This is akin to breaking the laws of physics or whatever and exploiting a loophole in creation to make yourself a galactic dictator. Props to ya for figuring it out and all, but if we allow CVA to be disbanded this way... why not allow such players to hack the game and give themselves trillions of isk to do with as they please, or lets allow them to take over your account Maddog, and make all the real world money you have poured into the game all for nothing.


TBH I suspect he infiltrated CVA, I doubt he hacked them. If they were hacked this is much ado about nothing because CCP will reverse it. Seems to me to be a silly idea to hack in the first place.

1) It's illegal and could land him in jail
2) It'll get reversed

If it's an infiltration
CCP will let it stand (BoB precedent)

Uriah Khan
Minmatar
IronPig
Sev3rance
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:43:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: Rbit Lsi
Originally by: Soldur
to kbp batman


i love u



Where is your god now, CVA?



You do realise KBP isn't old CVA space right?, seems your god's forgot brains.

Ze Killer
Minmatar
Department of Defence
Prismatic Refraction
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:43:00 - [197]
 

and...

DrMaddog
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:44:00 - [198]
 

Originally by: Chaos Hellbreth
Originally by: DrMaddog

to me this wannabe is something. He managed to complete what he set out to do.


Right... he did it illegally and outside of the bounds of the game of EVE. If there was a hacking mechanic implemented into the game itself, this would be all well and good, but its not. This is akin to breaking the laws of physics or whatever and exploiting a loophole in creation to make yourself a galactic dictator. Props to ya for figuring it out and all, but if we allow CVA to be disbanded this way... why not allow such players to hack the game and give themselves trillions of isk to do with as they please, or lets allow them to take over your account Maddog, and make all the real world money you have poured into the game all for nothing.


There is a hacking mechanic in the game just not what your thinking of. And you missed the whole point of my internet forum post. I wasnt talking about eve (yes out side the bubble). The guy called him a wannabe, and based on Urbandictionary.com a wannabe is

"Poser, follower, a charlatan of sorts. One who copies or immitates all or most of the aspects dealing with their idol. They may wish to have certain clothing, skills, vocabulary, etc., of their idols instead of their own. Most likely a wannabe is lacking in self confidence and is looking for guidance."

But imo he managed to get the skill set and do what he set out to do.

Sorry if i had to break this down, im even more sorry if people need to break down real life and understanding of simple english to you

Jmarr Hyrgund
Amarr
The Bastards
The Bastards.
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:44:00 - [199]
 

We don't know the full story yet as to how CVA was disbanded. it may be that they ahd infiltrated the alliance at a variety of levels (he did mention many alts and many accounts) Until we get a statment in this forum from a high ranking member of CVA, or anything from the GMs about what's going on (unlikely) we should try and keep speculation to a minimum (alot to ask I know, I am talking to EVE players after all :P)

As things stand we know these things:

CVA has been disbanded

A CVA director has had his account locked down (see twitter for this info its all over the place) while GMs investigate hacking claims.

Someone has claimed responsibilty for infiltrating and disbanding CVA.

This is all we know. anything else is pure speculation and tinfoil hattery.

It could be that the CVA director has cried "HAX" in order to claim a rollback when no hacking or other eula breaking activity was involved.

It could be that those claiming responsibilty are pulling our leg, Where was that announcement posted?

The fact is that we simply don't know and its pointless to speculate.

I know one other thing for sure; I'm glad I'm nowhere near Prov this evening. To those that are: have fun :)

Tagami Wasp
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:45:00 - [200]
 

If this is a hack, I would like to see CVA reset. They are opponents worth killing one at a time and not having them backstabbed by a goonlike hooded nobody.

Hope this is resolved for CVA, and they come back so we can kill them more, in-game.

Casiella Truza
Minmatar
Ecliptic Rift
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:45:00 - [201]
 

Originally by: Chaos Hellbreth
Right... he did it illegally and outside of the bounds of the game of EVE. If there was a hacking mechanic implemented into the game itself, this would be all well and good, but its not. This is akin to breaking the laws of physics or whatever and exploiting a loophole in creation to make yourself a galactic dictator. Props to ya for figuring it out and all, but if we allow CVA to be disbanded this way... why not allow such players to hack the game and give themselves trillions of isk to do with as they please, or lets allow them to take over your account Maddog, and make all the real world money you have poured into the game all for nothing.


CCP disagrees with your assessment of infiltration and defection.

Jack Gilligan
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:46:00 - [202]
 

Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 28/10/2009 20:46:43
I hate seeing stuff like this happen. If this was done by illegal means, CCP is obligated to fix it.

If it wasn't, well, I, too think it's really stupid and **** poor design to require votes and delays to do things like declare war in a corp/alliance, or to create shares, etc, and it also requires a delay to even LEAVE a corp if you had roles, but you can click a "disband my alliance NOW!" button and it instantly happened. Seriously, CCP, stuff like that needs to be fixed. Not even SOE is that incompetent.



Graalum
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:48:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: Chaos Hellbreth

Again, it is MY OPINION of them, which I am entitled to. If you don't like it, thats fine, but you don't have to go enforcing YOUR OPINION on me. Yeah, they had a good thing going for themselves, but it doesn't mean I have to like the way it was done. Just like how certain other major alliances presently have similarly good situations for themselves. Doesn't mean I have to like the way that came about...


i'm just saying that you are a hypocrite and a moron. If you hate their gamestyle so much, then why do you take part in their game style?

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:48:00 - [204]
 

The first time this happened should have been the last time this happened.

Like I said when it happened to BoB, it is a terrible mechanic that I never wanted to see used against another alliance, no matter who.

CVA may not have played Eve the way some of you *think* it should be played, but I honestly think they had the right idea. Their vision of 0.0 was very appealing, and well realised.

Also, and possibly more importantly, the CVA guys I have met are fantastic to get drunk with.

Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Eve Industrial Corp
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:50:00 - [205]
 

I'd just like to as why anyone would now go to the bother of creating an alliance and holding on to space if it can all be lost with one click of a button (either a dodgy link or the infiltrator gaining roles/access).

Of course empires rise and fall and that's good for the game in the long run, but the individuals who made it all happen and where there busting their gut to enjoy a game must be feeling like pig droppings.

I guess what they say aabout nothing lasts for ever is true after all.

I wonder who'll give me even money on the next alliance to fall in this way?

Ellatan Deruimte
Gallente
Surreal corp
Stain Empire
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:51:00 - [206]
 

Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 28/10/2009 20:53:43
Just want to express my personal support for CVA and the rest of Provi holders. You guys are great neighbors and classy people, who continually make EVE fun for everyone who visits you. Wish you guys best of luck in overcoming this small obstacle.

I also want to state although I do not speak for AAA leadership, but the general membership of our alliance has overwhelmingly condemned this act and also expressed support for you guys.

Darriele
Minmatar
THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:52:00 - [207]
 

I'm in a corp that was getting CVA and the rest of Provi inhabitants ****ed off each and every day for some time and allow me to say this, I freaking hate what happened with this alliance.
I suggest CCP taking a very careful look into this special matter and do the right thing.


Rbit Lsi
Caldari
Deadly Science
Eternal Defiance
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:52:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: Uriah Khan
Originally by: Rbit Lsi
Originally by: Soldur
to kbp batman


i love u



Where is your god now, CVA?



You do realise KBP isn't old CVA space right?, seems your god's forgot brains.


I'm pretty sure that would require me to have a god in the first place.

Also, you do realize that be it old CVA space or not is not the point, it's bound to be fun either way, innit?

Kage Toshimado
Gallente
The Logistical Nightmare
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:56:00 - [209]
 

I don't have any positive or negative things to say about CVA, I don't really know any of them. But judging by what most of the posts in this thread have been... this really needs to be looked into and fixed once and for all (only after someone hacks and disbands Goonswarm though) Wink

Derek Chu
Caldari
VLADIVOSTOK
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2009.10.28 20:57:00 - [210]
 

It was us who took down CVA. Well not really my corp but with the help of Ev0ke also. Sir Pip, Giselee and TSS1 orchestrated everything from the beginning I was just a puppet.

German Pride,
Derek Chu


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