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Aaronm100
Caldari
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2009.10.23 06:45:00 - [1]
 

Simple question really. Are they worth it?

After i sell my alt soon i was thinking about investing in a slave set for flying my abaddon however i wasn't quite sure. It adds 50k EHP to my abaddon however then it only adds about 20k to my other BS's so it doesn't really seem worth it.
Also are they viable without the omega implant?

Suas
Perkone
Posted - 2009.10.23 06:53:00 - [2]
 

Of course they're worth if you're PvP'ing in an area where you will never lose your pod (low/hi-sec). They add a ton of EHP to anything armor-tanked.

Allen Ramses
Caldari
Zombicidal Mania
Posted - 2009.10.23 06:59:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Suas
Of course they're worth if you're PvP'ing in an area where you will never lose your pod (low/hi-sec). They add a ton of EHP to anything armor-tanked.
This. Even LG slaves w/o Omega are worth it. Anything that can help your survival is useful. Though they are less useful for active armor tanks, they can still give you that extra edge.

Adacia Calla
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.10.23 07:05:00 - [4]
 

Do you ever fly in RR BS gangs?

If yes, then they are worth it.

Reatu Krentor
Minmatar
Void Spiders
Fate Weavers
Posted - 2009.10.23 07:16:00 - [5]
 

they are very worth it at the moment, but I wouldn't be surprised if slaves and crystals are next on the chopping block for a nerf.

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2009.10.23 09:42:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Cpt Branko on 23/10/2009 09:45:29
Worth it? Yes.

It will take some time to repay the investment, particularly with a HG set though, and accidents (disconnects while you have aggro or such) might happen.

Without Omega, well... they're not very good. Then again, a LG set without omega is preety cheap, and is worth getting as long as it doesn't break the bank. HG set without omega seems like a waste of ISK though.

I really like them (LG slaves) on my plated BCs, it gives them a non-horrible amount of EHP. Still not a Drake, but with ~62K EHP it's not total junk either.


Firh
Posted - 2009.10.23 11:03:00 - [7]
 

For PvE? Absolutely, even if they won't pherhaps return your investment quickly, a set of crystals will make your mission running much easier.

For PvP? Depends, to be honest I don't believe that LG sets and such are profitable even in lowsec for the vast majority of PvP pilots. You do get podded, even in lowsec (smartbombs, interceptors, lag etc) and for most people (myself included) I don't think that they'll make or break enough fights inbetween these poddings for them to really pay off. It's a bit like faction and T2 ships, some people can fly the same Vagabond for ages, most can't.

It's worth noting though that if it's not about the isk but just e-peen and killboard stats, then yea, use them.




Kaileen Starsong
Amarr
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.10.23 11:11:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Firh
For PvE? Absolutely, even if they won't pherhaps return your investment quickly, a set of crystals will make your mission running much easier.

For PvP? Depends, to be honest I don't believe that LG sets and such are profitable even in lowsec for the vast majority of PvP pilots. You do get podded, even in lowsec (smartbombs, interceptors, lag etc) and for most people (myself included) I don't think that they'll make or break enough fights inbetween these poddings for them to really pay off. It's a bit like faction and T2 ships, some people can fly the same Vagabond for ages, most can't.



Why would anyone use Crystals for PvE? Tank is not an issue if you can afford those, anyway, and learning time you just can't buy like that...

For PvP such implant sets allow engaging and winning againt the odds, kind of sums it up, tbh. That said, you end up with very specialized jumpclones for certain shiptypes, which is somewhat limiting. Oh, and they're +3, so you give up SP aswell. But overall... very-very nice to have if you can afford it.

Dr Fighter
Posted - 2009.10.23 11:28:00 - [9]
 

simple really.

you plate up a BS, you use t1 rigs, t2 will give you 15% more armor and cost you (3x) 500m+

buy implants for 500m and you get more armor, also when the ship pops oyu have that same boost 'for free' on your next bs.

worth it?

as long as you dotn get podded on your first use in your first ship, your in for a good investment.

Firh
Posted - 2009.10.23 11:49:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Kaileen Starsong

Why would anyone use Crystals for PvE? Tank is not an issue if you can afford those, anyway, and learning time you just can't buy like that...

For PvP such implant sets allow engaging and winning againt the odds, kind of sums it up, tbh. That said, you end up with very specialized jumpclones for certain shiptypes, which is somewhat limiting. Oh, and they're +3, so you give up SP aswell. But overall... very-very nice to have if you can afford it.


Why use crystals for PvE? Well, I don't wish to be rude but it's fairly obvious don't you think? A set of crystals can help free up a midslot that otherwise would have been used for additional tank. Then there's ofcourse always people who enjoy having overtanked setups just for peace of mind.

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2009.10.23 12:00:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Cpt Branko on 23/10/2009 12:01:09
Originally by: Firh

For PvP? Depends, to be honest I don't believe that LG sets and such are profitable even in lowsec for the vast majority of PvP pilots. You do get podded, even in lowsec (smartbombs, interceptors, lag etc) and for most people (myself included) I don't think that they'll make or break enough fights inbetween these poddings for them to really pay off. It's a bit like faction and T2 ships, some people can fly the same Vagabond for ages, most can't.



Well, the chance of getting podded once you start doing things properly, and presuming you do not fly excessively drunk, are very remote. Interceptors and such should absolutely not get you, although disconnecting with aggro just might.

Smartbombs could, but generally the only place you'll see smartbomb usage is certain gatecamps, where being in a frigate hull (except some AFs, I guess) generally means you lose your clone. Such camps are, of course, very rare and still do nothing to a larger ship.

As for how many fights they break or make, speaking of LG slaves (which I use) I could say they paid themselves off, ISK wise, easily.

They don't only reduce expenses; they also boost profits. The difference between a typical won fight and a typical loss fight is loss_cost - expenses_per_fight(things such as ammo, lost drones, heat expenses) + profit. When you look at it that way, if you like the riskier sort of engagement (where the payoff from winning is also better), they're going to be worth the ISK.

Also, they are very very good in RRBS fleets; not only they can save your ship (saved at least one if not two of my RRBS) but they also help keep the other guys alive even if you die. Ofc, the risk in large fights is greater, more lag and everything just might screw you. I've DC-ed at least once after warping my pod off, fortunately nobody was waiting at the planet.

fivetide humidyear
Gallente
Fool Mental Junket
Posted - 2009.10.23 12:02:00 - [12]
 

crystals can be worth it for pve i guess as they don't appear on a ship scan unlike a deadspace booster, but really if your struggling that much on missions you are doing it wrong. people over tank pve for no good reason which slows them down.

for pvp, absolutely worth it.

the investment in crystals is pretty good alothough the rest of your clones hardwires can be a problem as the ships crystals boost are quite disparate.

slaves, however, are totally worth it for active or passive tanks and are a godsend for all amarr. anything BC and up will have a large difference, for HAC's as well they can be very nice, armour HIC's, adds to buffer on guardians etc etc.

you need the omega. best isk v effect is hg 1-5 and low grade omega?

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Posted - 2009.10.23 12:04:00 - [13]
 

YES!!!

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Izzybella
Posted - 2009.10.23 12:21:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Dr Fighter
simple really.

you plate up a BS, you use t1 rigs, t2 will give you 15% more armor and cost you (3x) 500m+

buy implants for 500m and you get more armor, also when the ship pops oyu have that same boost 'for free' on your next bs.

worth it?

as long as you dotn get podded on your first use in your first ship, your in for a good investment.


I never really thought about it that way before. That makes A LOT of sense.


 

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