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Mei Khlolov
The Bastards
The Tusker Bastards
Posted - 2009.10.23 06:03:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Mei Khlolov on 23/10/2009 06:04:15
It's really hard to decide, I do wormhole PvP mostly so the Pilgrim may be better for that, but I've heard the Curse is less dependent on the Recon V skill to succeed.

And yes, I know I should get Recon V asap

edited for clarity

Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2009.10.23 06:12:00 - [2]
 

The Pilgrim is almost unfitable without Recon V, horrid CPU problems.

Curse all the way, the Pilgrim has a pretty narrow target selection and doesn't play well into gangs.

Mei Khlolov
The Bastards
The Tusker Bastards
Posted - 2009.10.23 06:30:00 - [3]
 

Well it's workable with Recon 4, I came up with this for what I'd use it for.

[Pilgrim, 0.0/WH hunter]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I


Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5

Precisionist
Posted - 2009.10.23 07:10:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Artemis Rose
The Pilgrim is almost unfitable without Recon V, horrid CPU problems.

Curse all the way, the Pilgrim has a pretty narrow target selection and doesn't play well into gangs.


No it is not the best mid-large gang, but it is a good for a scout in small, and probably the best solo.

I usually like to pirate in my pilgrim, with a ab/800/1-2td/scramb and/or web/cap booster/MAR/2neuts/cloak/1reconprobe you need recon V and a cpu %3

Brannigans Law
Posted - 2009.10.23 09:18:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Brannigans Law on 23/10/2009 09:26:54
As an EFT-pilot aiming at the pilgrim (finishing supports atm) -

My plans have always been lowsec piracy, where AB is beneficial (no bubble camps, and you open up inside scram range anyway).

wh-local is more attractive for the pilgrim - but
how mandatory a MWD is for wh gatecamps? MWD fits seem to be more logical on the curse?
You also get the side benefit of being able to tailor your highslots to carry enough neuting power, and potentially drop a neut for dps when you get recon V?

My advice, fly both and give me your experience :D

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2009.10.23 09:27:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Brannigans Law
Edited by: Brannigans Law on 23/10/2009 09:19:29
As an EFT-pilot only (finishing supports atm) -

My plans have always been lowsec piracy, where AB is beneficial (no bubble camps, and you open up inside scram range anyway).

wh-local is more attractive for the pilgrim - but
how mandatory a MWD is for wh gatecamps? MWD fits seem to be more logical on the curse?
You also get the side benefit of being able to tailor your highslots to carry enough neuting power, and potentially drop a neut for dps when you get recon V?

My advice, fly both and give me your experience :D


There is not that many WH camps, and you start in range of jumping back thorugh the WH anyways.

MWD is essential most of teh tiomes tho imo, closing range is very importent. And a persived 1v1 with your AB will usually turn out to not be a 1v1 when his frind warps in and kites your slow ass AB speed ;)

Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2009.10.23 09:33:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Artemis Rose
The Pilgrim is almost unfitable without Recon V, horrid CPU problems.



Not really, nothing that a bit of cheap faction/deadspace gear won't fix. As you get to pick your fights it's not that insane to pour a bit of money in it.

Brannigans Law
Posted - 2009.10.23 09:36:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Sidus Isaacs

MWD is essential most of teh times tho imo, closing range is very importent. And a persived 1v1 with your AB will usually turn out to not be a 1v1 when his frind warps in and kites your slow ass AB speed ;)


The pilgrim doesn't gain range bonuses like the curse, so hoping to stay out of scram when you fly inside 12km neut range seems a bit optimistic, and once you are inside, you are staying there till the fight is decided, or the guy(s) with points on you are capped out, I would think?

The pilgrim engages from cloak, unless you decloak during warp to minimise warning while avoiding the targeting delay, so closing range on your initial target shouldn't be the problem, but I agree that the curses ability to engage at range so as to retain the mwd to escape is useful, as you don't get local warning you a friend has joined the system. Again, thats more a difference between the ships, rather than a fitting choice of either though.

Kingwood
Amarr
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.10.23 09:39:00 - [9]
 

Pilgrim for WHs and killing mission runners, Curse for everything else. Pilgrim needs faction or best-named mods to get a good fit on it with Recon 4, but it's doable. Forget a probe launcher though.

Leopold Caine
Amarr
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2009.10.23 10:37:00 - [10]
 

WH Raiding, Pilgrim. Folks start running when they see a Curse on scan.

And you can work out a stable Pilgrim fit with Recons IV. Recons V only allows you to squeeze in a Probe Launcher.

Also, fit two mediums and one small in the highs. No nosferatus, please, and a 1600mm in the lows. 800mm Pilgrims die to t1 cruisers.

The Tzar
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.10.23 11:29:00 - [11]
 

Go for the curse definately.

Dont' be tempted to fit anything but speed though. Quite often you will be a higher primary choice than ECM so you HAVE to be able to dictate range more than anything else.

Amazing ship.

Mei Khlolov
The Bastards
The Tusker Bastards
Posted - 2009.10.23 14:51:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Mei Khlolov on 23/10/2009 14:54:33
What I've gathered so far is that I should get...both! So I probably will, my wallet just needs a little boost first.

I reworked that pilgrim fit with some advice here, hows it look?

[Pilgrim, 0.0/WH hunter]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Ancillary Current Router I
Trimark Armor Pump I


Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5

edit: changed fit slightly

Brannigans Law
Posted - 2009.10.23 16:32:00 - [13]
 

What sort of gang will you be flying with? Or solo?

Both sounds like a smart idea in either case :)

Mei Khlolov
The Bastards
The Tusker Bastards
Posted - 2009.10.23 18:43:00 - [14]
 

Probably half the time I'll fly solo, and half I'll have bombers and other recons with me.


 

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