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Shoukei
Caldari
Boobs Ahoy
Posted - 2009.10.23 01:31:00 - [31]
 

XP users on average know more about the OS's than the win7 user. Because they actually know what they are paying for, they are able to make factual judgment on the product they are buying. This is a stark contrast to fan boys and other less knowledgeable people who buy into DX10 and other marketing ploys ugh

Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
Posted - 2009.10.23 01:42:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Shoukei
XP users on average know more about the OS's than the win7 user.
Shocked

Interesting.

And the source of this wild assumption? Wink

D3F4ULT
Gallente
Pegasus Mining Korp
Posted - 2009.10.23 02:06:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Shoukei
XP users on average know more about the OS's than the win7 user.
Shocked

Interesting.

And the source of this wild assumption? Wink


lol
Personal experience counts on the interwebz. I = everyone. I have many alts on the interwebz

DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
Posted - 2009.10.23 02:11:00 - [34]
 

CCP does not have the resources to support their current engine properly, even after dropping the baggage of Classic. Two years after Trinity's release, perhaps two thirds of all art content will have been "upgraded" post-Dominion to a level that was competitive with PC games released 4 years ago. Sad

The reason half-assed efforts work today is because many new games are cross-platform and thus, also DX9.0c based. And the majority of new triple-A PC exclusives seem to be MMOs. MMOs usually target low specs (for max. subscribers) then dump high res textures and models over it to make it look somewhat better on high end machines. Even that isn't a priority for those companies, because the hardcore subscribers keep settings low for extra performance advantage and multi-boxing.

DX9.0c is a goddamn vampire in my opinion, and EVE/CCP could get away with a clean break that other companies can't even dare to dream of attempting. Whether they'd want to prioritize regaining that graphics lead is something I can't answer.

Eliza Farcaster
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2009.10.23 02:13:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Eliza Farcaster on 23/10/2009 02:13:11
Originally by: Shoukei
XP users on average know more about the OS's than the win7 user.


DOS users own XP users.

Noobs.

Selous
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.10.23 02:37:00 - [36]
 

concurrent dos 4tw

the big debate was, is a 5" floppy better then a 3.5" stiffy?

or pdp with a 64 mb hard drive , with removable platters about 2 foot across

Saju Somtaaw
Kagan-Kincaid Enterprises
Posted - 2009.10.23 02:41:00 - [37]
 

I've used DOS,95,98,XP,Vista, and 7. Out of all of them 7 is my favorite. Like someone said earlier going to a pre-vista machine is a pain because I don't have that easy search box where I can type the name of the program I want without digging through menus to find it. And don't say shortcuts 'cause I do have my common ones shortcut'd-its the rarely used ones that it's helpful for.

Washell Olivaw
Posted - 2009.10.23 03:39:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Shoukei
XP users on average know more about the OS's than the win7 user. Because they actually know what they are paying for, they are able to make factual judgment on the product they are buying. This is a stark contrast to fan boys and other less knowledgeable people who buy into DX10 and other marketing ploys ugh


Given that a large section, me included, of win7 users work in IT and are testing it for a possible roll-out to the general workfloor I'd say that at present the average IT knowledge on win7 is lightyears ahead of XP. Even if you throw in a bunch of noobs buying into DX11 (not DX10, that was vista) and marketing ploys. And you can't pay for XP anymore. What you can do is buy Vista which comes with a license that includes the right to downgrade to XP. That's one of those marketing ploys, if they have vista in house, they may try it.

Oh yeah, you know what you're paying for...

rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Posted - 2009.10.23 07:50:00 - [39]
 

ITT A bunch of people that don't know anything and are very opinionated (and wrong)

Windows 7 is a good OS. Depending on what you do on your PC it is worth the upgrade. Windows Vista is crap. Some people get lucky with it, but overall it is garbage. It has a habit of eating drives as well. Windows xp is a good OS, but shows it's age in modern operations. Like it or not, it will be phased out sooner rather than later.

Direct X 10 is a bit better than Direct X 9 in terms of shadowing (shader model 4.0) and lighting etc. Direct X 11 is BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE with Direct X 9/10/10.1 Hardware. This means that some of Direct X 11's features work with older hardware. Primarily when coupled with Windows 7, you will notice large frame rate increases with your games. Direct X 11 also introduced true hardware tesselation, multithreading, for DX 11 graphics cards. Textures will now be done using patches instead of a triangle.

This reduced the load on an art department as only a single mega texture needs to be created, and then dynamically scaled based on the individual machines hardware capabilities. This also means greater detail can be rendered and require less power. Direct X 11 has the capability once supported to revolutionize the industry. Word is that Geforce will have their GTX 350 out with DX11 support by Christmas or soon after.

Hope this clears some things up.

Br41n
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.10.23 07:56:00 - [40]
 

Lets hope never, i play EVE because its awsome gameplay, if i want fancy graphics i'll go buy FPS 239847128347198273 of this year.

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2009.10.23 08:12:00 - [41]
 

I would prefer EVE going for openGL instead of next iteration of DirectX.

I also do not like Vista/7 bcos it treats it's users like criminals and violates their privacy (all the DRM'ish crap that comes with it). So when the time comes to pull the plug on XP I see myself having 2 options (1) Ubuntu has evolved far enough to be actually usable (2) Have to switch to mac. Unless Microsoft manages to come up with op system by that time that does not rub me wrong way and I think this propability is low unfortunately.

Atm ubuntu is not really usable (as it is not really plug and play - ie needs heavy knowledge of system to get stuff working) and Mac has a bit too heavy part of it's price taken up by 'brand fee' for my tastes. We will see ofc. XP support will last at least next 3 more years probably.

thisisnotright
Posted - 2009.10.23 08:48:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Neamus
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 22/10/2009 16:08:20
Originally by: Shoukei
Preferably never, because i am keeping win xp no matter what microsoft does to force me into buying some new crappy os.


I agree, and im not happy with Win 7 either, even if it runs nicely. I simply loathe the new toolbar and Start menu. Progress. Bah. Stupidity I call it! Might end up going back to Win XP really. insane isnt it..




In summary:

We fear change, who stole my packet of Werther's Original and why doesn't EvE come on 1.44Mb floppy disks?




Dont forget the bottle of old spice.

Davin Forsosa
Caldari
Posted - 2009.10.23 08:56:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Shoukei
XP users on average know more about the OS's than the win7 user. Because they actually know what they are paying for, they are able to make factual judgment on the product they are buying. This is a stark contrast to fan boys and other less knowledgeable people who buy into DX10 and other marketing ploys ugh



Or 3D Vision users such as myself who are forced to upgrade because some pretty cool gaming technology isn't supported by XP.


BurnHard
Posted - 2009.10.23 08:57:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: BurnHard on 23/10/2009 08:56:53
Originally by: Carniflex

I also do not like Vista/7 bcos it treats it's users like criminals and violates their privacy (all the DRM'ish crap that comes with it). So when the time comes to pull the plug on XP I see myself having 2 options (1) Ubuntu has evolved far enough to be actually usable (2) Have to switch to mac. Unless Microsoft manages to come up with op system by that time that does not rub me wrong way and I think this propability is low unfortunately.



The DRM only kicks in if you're using protected media, also I have no idea what you mean by "violating their privacy". Either you've used it and can speak thereof, or you haven't and so can't really express an opinion based on evidence. It seems to me that you're just passing on gossip, rumour and legend than actual reality. Having said that, Windows 7 is better than both Vista and XP, and as I haven't used Ubuntu or Mac OS, I can't say whether either of those is better than 7, although I can say most of the stuff you run on 7 won't work on the latter.


LordSwift
Caldari
The Riot Act
Sacra Cupola
Posted - 2009.10.23 09:34:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: shady trader
I think I still have some 10 inch floppy somewhere*. Those were the days when a floppy disk was floppy and had a paper sleeve to store it in.

*from back in the days built in green screens were the height of tech.


I remember that. I am 25 and i remember the one of the first games i tried to play on my dads hunk of junk. All green text and no graphics to speak ofd. Huge floppy discs. I think the game was Dambusters. Man that was hard

Vishere Rykane
Minmatar
Midnight Sentinels
Midnight Space Syndicate
Posted - 2009.10.23 11:25:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 22/10/2009 16:08:20
Originally by: Shoukei
Preferably never, because i am keeping win xp no matter what microsoft does to force me into buying some new crappy os.


I agree, and im not happy with Win 7 either, even if it runs nicely. I simply loathe the new toolbar and Start menu. Progress. Bah. Stupidity I call it! Might end up going back to Win XP really. insane isnt it..





Actually, I just recently upgraded to a new computer and went from Windows XP ==> Windows 7 after 5 years using WinXP every day, I gotta say I barely noticed the jump to windows 7. The layout and everything is almost exactly the same as windows XP.

Shoukei
Caldari
Boobs Ahoy
Posted - 2009.10.23 11:36:00 - [47]
 

I see some people have been whitewashed so thoroughly that they even defend DRM. Bottom line is, right now the only reason most people need to buy "new" windows is because someone decided to force them into doing it. They are milking the cow.

If there was actually some new feature which would justify the upgrade, it would make sense to do so. They know there is no such reason for 90% of the user base, so they created artificial ones to rake in some money from the suckers YARRRR!!

fuze
Gallente
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2009.10.23 13:11:00 - [48]
 

Yamaha DX11?

Does Eve have midi?ugh

Commander Criton
Posted - 2009.10.23 13:29:00 - [49]
 

I used Xp(64bit version) for years and i found the 64bit version of Vista to be more stable and user friendly than xp the performance hit was a drag on lower end computers yes, but windows 7 gives you the performance and reliability of Xp. So in short for the newer end computers and the users who have used 64bit operating systems for many years they will notice an improvement, i cant comment on the 32bit versions or older computers as I dont use them for long enough to make any remarks. Also the price and the fact you no longer have to buy the 64bit version of windows seperate is a nice change as you get both version in the box, I pre-ordered it from amazon and got windows 7 home premuim (full version) for 65 cant complain.

BurnHard
Posted - 2009.10.23 13:37:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Shoukei
I see some people have been whitewashed so thoroughly that they even defend DRM.


You mean Brainwashed, surely? The truth about DRM is that I've got an operating system designed to use it when I try to play DRM'd media on it, only I don't own any DRM'd media, so I've never encountered the DRM system and neither will you. I've got lots of media and it all plays fine on 7. The truth about DRM is: if you don't buy any media with DRM on it, they will stop selling it and the OS DRM code will never run!

Reasons to use 7: more secure, better UI, better looking, better performance (particularly various bits of the UI, I don't mean you'll get better FPS in a game), supports DX 10, is backwards compatible with XP, runs on "light" hardware. starts up quicker, shuts down quicker (than vista). There's a guy at work here who still uses his green screen, by the way.

Dharh
Gallente
Ace Adventure Corp
Posted - 2009.10.23 13:49:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Neamus
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 22/10/2009 16:08:20
Originally by: Shoukei
Preferably never, because i am keeping win xp no matter what microsoft does to force me into buying some new crappy os.


I agree, and im not happy with Win 7 either, even if it runs nicely. I simply loathe the new toolbar and Start menu. Progress. Bah. Stupidity I call it! Might end up going back to Win XP really. insane isnt it..






In summary:

We fear change, who stole my packet of Werther's Original and why doesn't EvE come on 1.44Mb floppy disks?



Why change anything for the change itself? many dont like it. And it is I who pays their salaries by bying their OSes. Not to mention theres no real alternative for us who dont like it. heck, they could at least make the old one optional, but nooo. So its a step back for my part. And many others I know.

its also stupid comparing an increase in number of megabytes with a software change. While the first one icnreases storage nothing else, the OS change changes the way you work. Thats a difference! For me, its like changing from working with a computer with a harddrive to working with a computer with CD storage and booting only. Stupid




Windows XP was not perfect. True Vista was worse in alot of ways, and should never have been _worse_ performance wise. But W7 fixes that. It's not really change, its updating for a price. Would it make you feel better if these changes came in the form of a download update like service packs? I know we all love how CCP gives us expansions for free (though not really free, MS would give out W7 on the sidewalks of every street if people payed monthly subs for it).

Tiny Tove
Posted - 2009.10.23 13:49:00 - [52]
 

Computers understand 1's and 0's.

They can add them, they can subract them, they can compare them, and they can move them from one place to another.
That's pretty much it.

If like me you have to buy XP just to get a game installed that won't run on Windows 2000, or you need DX11 because DX9 cannot do graphics anymore apparently, you are victim to marketting. You are not stupid, you are not a loser, you are not "10 yrs bhnd evryfink grandad lol wanna run it on spctrum 48k next lol", you're just paying through the nose so that somebody somewhere can get a bigger yacht or mansion.

It's just 1s, 0s, marketing and a load of idiots who need to speed money every year to have a version number get higher so they can mock your lower version number. In response I find the best thing is to go to some pleasant place and enjoy a delightful coffee sitting in the afternoon sun smiling at the ladies who happen by.

Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
Posted - 2009.10.23 13:50:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Shoukei
If there was actually some new feature which would justify the upgrade, it would make sense to do so. They know there is no such reason for 90% of the user base, so they created artificial ones to rake in some money from the suckers YARRRR!!
Ah you've figured out the secret to marketing. Well done.

Next apply those standards to stuff you buy everyday and stop feeling so superior to everyone else. Laughing

The #1 reason for people to buy things is because "they want it". Nearly everything you buy is sold for artificial reasons to rake in some money from suckers.

DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
Posted - 2009.10.23 17:41:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Tiny Tove
Computers understand 1's and 0's.

They can add them, they can subract them, they can compare them, and they can move them from one place to another.
That's pretty much it.


I guess to you, hardware architecture means nothing since transistors are either on or off.

New DirectX version levels standardize new hardware features so that developers actually use them. ATI has had a hardware tessellator on their cards for something like five years, now that DX11 spec includes it, Nvidia will have to support it as well. Hell, Xbox360 has one and nearly every game uses it, but no PC games use it despite having the computing horsepower and hardware to do it better for years.

In any case, you sound bitter.

Zahidra
Caldari
Ancient Silence
Posted - 2009.10.23 17:59:00 - [55]
 

I always find XP vs Vista arguments interesting.
Sure, vista was buggy and not all that great until SP1.
Since then Vista > XP in most aspects (yes, even benchmark performance in many regards).
Win 7 is bascially a repacked and optimized Vista so i quite frankly find it hilarious when the vista haters praise win 7.

And for win 7 only being fancy UI, well that only proves the extent of the users knowledge of IT in general...
/flame on

Shoukei
Caldari
Boobs Ahoy
Posted - 2009.10.23 20:20:00 - [56]
 

It appears that the best arguments fan boys managed to come up with so far is... "Well, its as fast as XP and not as bad as Vista!" Then they ran off to buy a "new" version because some piece of software was intentionally prevented from working on the "old" one Rolling Eyes

Schayol Sunkeeper
Imperial Crusade Syndicate
Posted - 2009.10.23 20:28:00 - [57]
 

i was there when floppy discs were still "floppy" you know, bendy and stuff

Dharh
Gallente
Ace Adventure Corp
Posted - 2009.10.23 20:35:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Shoukei
It appears that the best arguments fan boys managed to come up with so far is... "Well, its as fast as XP and not as bad as Vista!" Then they ran off to buy a "new" version because some piece of software was intentionally prevented from working on the "old" one Rolling Eyes


More like the software maker doesn't want to waste their time supporting an outdated OS such as XP. I know I don't waste my time with outdated OSes when I make my programs or outdated browsers when I make web apps.

Fact is W7 is an actual upgrade from XP, whereas Vista was only halfway. People who claim W7 is just an optimized version of Vista do not understand what was really changed in Vista and W7. People just don't want to pay for new OS. Which is valid, but they shouldn't be angry when some piece of software doesn't run on their antiquated XP box.

Go install Linux or something.

Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
Posted - 2009.10.23 20:41:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Khemul Zula on 23/10/2009 20:50:20
Originally by: Shoukei
It appears that the best arguments fan boys managed to come up with so far is... "Well, its as fast as XP and not as bad as Vista!" Then they ran off to buy a "new" version because some piece of software was intentionally prevented from working on the "old" one Rolling Eyes
If you don't bother to read anything that has been posted then yes, that is all they've managed to come up with. Laughing

But seriously. Why does it bother you so much that people are buying something that you don't feel that you need? I mean you keep throwing around the "fan boy" label, yet you just keep repeating the same contempt for anything not XP without any real arguement for why.


(Plus using "fan boy" and Microsoft or Vista in the same sentence is just plain wrong. Seems the Tobacco industry is the only other thing with so much irrational hatred thrown at it.
Especially when much of the Vista hatred was created by Apple's advertising campaign which continues to push the same ideas even today.)

brutoid
Caldari
Posted - 2009.10.23 20:43:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: brutoid on 23/10/2009 20:44:16
wahh waaah, i lub my xp ands cant do wivout its.........

Here you go.

'XP Mode consists of the Virtual PC-based virtual environment and a fully licensed copy of Windows XP with Service Pack 3 (SP3). It will be made available, for free, to users of Windows 7 Professional, Enterprise, and Ultimate editions via a download from the Microsoft web site. (That is, it will not be included in the box with Windows 7, but is considered an out-of-band update, like Windows Live Essentials.) XPM works much like today's Virtual PC products, but with one important exception: As with the enterprise-based MED-V (Microsoft Enterprise Desktop Virtualization) product, XPM does not require you to run the virtual environment as a separate Windows desktop. Instead, as you install applications inside the virtual XP environment, they are published to the host (Windows 7) OS as well. (With shortcuts placed in the Start Menu.) That way, users can run Windows XP-based applications (like IE 6) alongside Windows 7 applications under a single desktop.'


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