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robz0r
Trojan Trolls
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2009.10.22 01:27:00 - [1]
 

Hello all, so I have become interested in flying a tandem of these 2 ships in the near future, I want to use the CovOps for some PvE as well so please keep that in mind but mostly which faction is the best for PvP? If you could lay your reasoning as well it would be much appreciated!

Adacia Calla
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.10.22 02:46:00 - [2]
 

You want to do what with a CovOps?

robz0r
Trojan Trolls
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2009.10.22 03:06:00 - [3]
 

Some exploration, is there a better ship for that?

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2009.10.22 03:20:00 - [4]
 

I liked the Helios because of all the mids, but I think it looks like a turd now. Wouldn't fly one for anything. Also, the lack of a third high really hurts (covops cloak, probe launcher, salvager/covert cyno).

I fly the Anathema these days. Great ship.

-Liang

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2009.10.22 04:04:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
I liked the Helios because of all the mids, but I think it looks like a turd now. Wouldn't fly one for anything.


Poor Helios. It used to look like pure awesome. Now it's the worst looking ship in the game. Anyone who complains about the Domi clearly skipped Frig 5 on the way.

More serious response to OP: they're pretty equal in most respects. Fly what you'd like. Picking a Frig 5 based on bombers/covops probably isn't the right idea. And after all, the skill sets of the two classes have more in common across races than just about any other ship types. Might as well just pick one and run with it.

Jarik Utoni
Minmatar
Valhalla Industries
Posted - 2009.10.22 04:29:00 - [6]
 

i'm going minmatar for the t2 rifter Class hulls The SB and CovOps are decent but good for the tradoff of excellent Attack frigs

Halunoto Vankaalen
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2009.10.22 04:29:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Zhilia Mann
Originally by: Liang Nuren
I liked the Helios because of all the mids, but I think it looks like a turd now. Wouldn't fly one for anything.


Poor Helios.


+1 to return original Helios design

Jarik Utoni
Minmatar
Valhalla Industries
Posted - 2009.10.22 04:43:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
Originally by: Zhilia Mann
Originally by: Liang Nuren
I liked the Helios because of all the mids, but I think it looks like a turd now. Wouldn't fly one for anything.


Poor Helios.


+1 to return original Helios design

what was the origional design?

robz0r
Trojan Trolls
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2009.10.22 04:51:00 - [9]
 

Any body got a link to good:

Anathema PvP
Anathema PvE(Exploration)
Purifier

Thanks~ Rob

Jesslyn Daggererux
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.10.22 05:19:00 - [10]
 

the buzzards 3 highs are awesome. the manti as well is a solid SB. you need to keep in mind their damage bonus is only for 1 damage type, the races damage. while the hounds torps would wreck armor tankers, a passive drake may chuckle a little. nay, he may even giggle! but kinetic, though for gallente t2 its our highest resist, is overall still an okay resist. purifiers and hounds, vs a battleship, are either great or crap. just need to ask yourself who your fighting. the nemesis is midroad, to me. the buzzard still enjoys plenty of mids.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2009.10.22 05:21:00 - [11]
 

I really want to fly this (but can't!). My current fit is along this line, but not as nice. I've been really wanting to get a viable fit with a covert cyno on it, but haven't really come up with one that's anything more than a cyno launch platform.

[Anathema, Goal Anathema]
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Internal Force Field Array I

Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Salvager I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I

-Liang

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2009.10.22 05:31:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Jarik Utoni
i'm going minmatar for the t2 rifter Class hulls The SB and CovOps are decent but good for the tradoff of excellent Attack frigs


hmm seen a few people say the hound was the best sb out there.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2009.10.22 09:43:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Jarik Utoni
Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
Originally by: Zhilia Mann
Originally by: Liang Nuren
I liked the Helios because of all the mids, but I think it looks like a turd now. Wouldn't fly one for anything.


Poor Helios.


+1 to return original Helios design

what was the origional design?


I name mine Bugsy. Actually, it's still named Bugsy, it just hasn't undocked much since The Change. Seriously, what the hell is this?

(It went from a Maulus hull to an Imicus hull. The latter looks like a ******ed hockey player with only a left arm to work with. The former looked like the most awesome space beetle you could imagine.)

Dacryphile
Posted - 2009.10.22 13:45:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Dacryphile on 22/10/2009 13:47:17
Originally by: robz0r
Any body got a link to good:

Anathema PvP

Thanks~ Rob
I giggled a little.

Anathema exploration is simple
[Anathema, explorer]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Cap Recharger II
Analyzer II
Codebreaker II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I
Salvager II

Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I

Originally by: Zhilia Mann


I name mine Bugsy. Actually, it's still named Bugsy, it just hasn't undocked much since The Change. Seriously, what the hell is this?

(It went from a Maulus hull to an Imicus hull. The latter looks like a ******ed hockey player with only a left arm to work with. The former looked like the most awesome space beetle you could imagine.)
OMG wtf! Someone at CCP was way to drunk to make that change.

Marko Riva
Posted - 2009.10.22 13:53:00 - [15]
 

Best allround (0.0) covert is the Anathema because it can fit everything you might need (cyno is offline) while not needing 17 fitting mods or running into cap issues when warping around a lot. The Cheetah is "just" fast.


[Anathema, Scout/tackler]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Scan Resolution Dampening
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Scan Resolution Dampening

Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Cynosural Field Generator I /OFFLINE
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I


fivetide humidyear
Gallente
Fool Mental Junket
Posted - 2009.10.22 14:11:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
I really want to fly this (but can't!). My current fit is along this line, but not as nice. I've been really wanting to get a viable fit with a covert cyno on it, but haven't really come up with one that's anything more than a cyno launch platform.

[Anathema, Goal Anathema]
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Internal Force Field Array I

Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Salvager I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I

-Liang


have the covert cyno generator offline and online it when required. anathema recharges cap pretty quickly (around 2 mins i'd guess with a mwd on) for when you switch back.

otherwise salavger is great for those wrecks lazy people leave behind, my best yet a absolution wreck in a wormhole..... say hello to 150mil profit.

back on topic, amarr or matari are the best 2 cov ops ship classes, caldari and especially gallente are sub optimal.

BurnHard
Posted - 2009.10.22 14:12:00 - [17]
 

I've always flown the Helios and to be honest, although I noticed the other day it looked ****e, I hadn't noticed the change, possible due to being away from the game and not remembering what it looked like in the first place. Anyway, it doesn't really matter what it looks like, because it spends most of its time cloaked ;).


Qui Shon
Posted - 2009.10.22 14:32:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Marko Riva
Best allround (0.0) covert is the Anathema because it can fit everything you might need (cyno is offline) while not needing 17 fitting mods or running into cap issues when warping around a lot. The Cheetah is "just" fast.


[Anathema, Scout/tackler]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Scan Resolution Dampening
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Scan Resolution Dampening

Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Cynosural Field Generator I /OFFLINE
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I




For those of us in W-space, the Cyno is useless. So I prefer the Cheetah for superior speed, at the cost of using named mods mwd/Disrupter instead of T2.

Everything you have there, switched to Meta 4, fits on the Cheetah, apart from the cyno. That is, you'll have two Nanos and an RCU, but you'll still be a good deal faster and equally agile.

These days, if I do lock something with the Cheetah, support is already in warp, so I haven't bothered with RSD, preferring T2 Disrupter + web + scram. The latter just in case I need to slow the target down for a few seconds. May give rsd a shot though, would increase survivability somewhat.

Marko Riva
Posted - 2009.10.22 14:39:00 - [19]
 

I mostly did my covert stuff in 0.0 but yeah in WH's the cyno would be useless. The damps are great if you're in a roaming gang, jump into a system first and find a ratting BS in a belt; point+2 damps = enough time for the help to jump in and warp to me. But again, in WH this isn't an issue due to lack of local.

The cheetah is good but as said, in 0.0 at least, I like being able to "provide for the fleet" in whatever way possible.

Lili Lu
Posted - 2009.10.22 15:21:00 - [20]
 

Laughing The poor Helios. While I still prefer the old antenaed version, actually, the new version has grown on me. I see it now as a flying rubber ducky.Razz

The bigger problem with the Helios is of course the slot layout. 5 mids are not really needed, and 2 highs are quite limiting. The 3/4/3 layout is the best. Enough lows for fitting and speed/agiality mods, enough highs for a salvager or whatever else you want, enough mids. Cheetah and Anathema are better because of it. The Buzzard I have less experience with, but even there it is not stuck with just 2 high slots.

As to the OP's question. I don't think there is any "best" faction for what little you have stated about your desired task. Only thing might be what damage type you would prefer to deal with your bomber against your chosen targets.

Mevlana Rumi
Viziam
Posted - 2009.10.22 16:56:00 - [21]
 

As a bomber pilot it makes good sense to have all racial frigate skills at V. We're talking a rank 2 skill here, not like it takes very long.

That way if you're in a region where people shield tank Kenetic/Thermal you can hop into the Griefbanana and hit them with EM.

Robert's your fathers brother. Wink

robz0r
Trojan Trolls
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2009.10.22 16:56:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: robz0r on 22/10/2009 16:56:40
Thanks for the replies guys.
I heard a lot of good things about the Anathema here, and I really like the thought of opening the initial fire from the stealth bomber so the EM damage would be most beneficial.

Hana Lena
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.10.23 00:16:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
Originally by: Zhilia Mann
Originally by: Liang Nuren
I liked the Helios because of all the mids, but I think it looks like a turd now. Wouldn't fly one for anything.


Poor Helios.


+1 to return original Helios design


Another +1 on that.

It was one of the best looking ships in the game. Some one asked why The Change was done, it was becasue the TI hull (the Imicus) its useing now is the "astormetricks" version. If you look at the bonus its gets a bonus to scanning. Were as the one it was useing was the E-war one (the Maulus). And the Dev's changed it sadly.



Now days I use the Anathema for all my exploration keep in mind that all I do is high sek exploration Hence the "tank" the ROFLkits. This can do high-sek Radars and Mags. I just carry a Salvager In the hold and when I find a Mag site, dock unfit the probe and fit the Salvager.

[Anathema, New Setup 1]
Small Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Codebreaker I
Analyzer I

Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Gremlin Rocket
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Gremlin Rocket

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I



Also OP TIII Cruisers can do Exploration as well but they aren't necessarily "better" than the Covops.


Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2009.10.23 01:33:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Mevlana Rumi
That way if you're in a region where people shield tank Kenetic/Thermal you can hop into the Griefbanana and hit them with EM.
Originally by: Mevlana Rumi
you can hop into the Griefbanana and hit them with EM.
Originally by: Mevlana Rumi
hop into the Griefbanana
Originally by: Mevlana Rumi
Griefbanana

I just got a new name for my Purifier, thanks Laughing


 

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