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Commander Crayton
Posted - 2009.10.21 23:52:00 - [1]
 

Hello

I have a legion and my purpose is to warp around belts cloaked to find easy targets. The problem is that i would like to have a good setup for it and i have no experience in this ship. I don't want it to be clumsy, i would like a fast and agile ship, that can take down unsuspecting people. I would also like it to be versitile as possible. What are your suggestions?

Please list subsystems and modules.

Thank you very much

Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2009.10.22 00:11:00 - [2]
 

A better start would be to link a fit you'd bothered to put together and ask people to critique it.

ps. Cloaky Legion sucks total balls.

Kalso
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2009.10.22 00:17:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Durzel
A better start would be to link a fit you'd bothered to put together and ask people to critique it.

ps. Cloaky Legion sucks total balls.


Durz, that last comment made me lol IRL so loud, people outside my office think im nuts now...i mean, Total Balls....

Commander Crayton
Posted - 2009.10.22 00:19:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Durzel
A better start would be to link a fit you'd bothered to put together and ask people to critique it.

ps. Cloaky Legion sucks total balls.


I suck total balls, thats why i want to be selective about who i touch. So i want to be cloaked at the expense of fire power.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2009.10.22 00:36:00 - [5]
 

please tell me your purpose was to find easy targets and attack them in belts, and not to warp around belts cloaked to find easy targets

Commander Crayton
Posted - 2009.10.22 00:47:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
please tell me your purpose was to find easy targets and attack them in belts, and not to warp around belts cloaked to find easy targets


I haz this feeling im not going to see a fitting. So i ante up:

Anyone with a good fitting post here first gets 100m


Lance Fighter
Amarr
Posted - 2009.10.22 01:25:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Lance Fighter on 22/10/2009 01:27:44
[Legion, cloak active]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
ECCM - Radar II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Energy Burst Aerator I
Energy Collision Accelerator I
[empty rig slot]

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Legion Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization



Perhaps? missing dps though

edit.
if you switch to locus sub, and drop the eccm, you can fit a expanded probe.. but you lose a ****ton of sensor strength.

Thingymawotzit
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2009.10.22 01:26:00 - [8]
 


[neuty]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I,Cap Booster 800

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Light Neutron Blaster II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S


Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Energy Parasitic Complex
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

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So basically You'll never do any DPS with a cloaky legion so dont bother trying.

This thing has -

ArrowGood Neuting power

ArrowGreat tackle (assuming your decloaking right next to them)

Arrow70k armor and 434,000 EHP

Marcus Druallis
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2009.10.22 01:38:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Lance Fighter
Edited by: Lance Fighter on 22/10/2009 01:27:44
[Legion, cloak active]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
ECCM - Radar II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Energy Burst Aerator I
Energy Collision Accelerator I
[empty rig slot]

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Legion Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization



Perhaps? missing dps though

edit.
if you switch to locus sub, and drop the eccm, you can fit a expanded probe.. but you lose a ****ton of sensor strength.


God CCP made the Legion fail before it even had a chance. Why does its covops subsystem need to be unbonused...

Lance Fighter
Amarr
Posted - 2009.10.22 01:50:00 - [10]
 

*shrug* its the best i got.

Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2009.10.22 02:07:00 - [11]
 

Legion suffers badly from not having enough lowslots for tank & gank, whereas the Proteus manages the holy 7/3/6 config pushing out circa 500dps with a 100m3 drone bay, all whilst fielding both a covops cloak and expanded probe launcher.

Frankly if you're doing the whole cloaky belt thing you might as well use a Pilgrim, at least you'll be able to field ECM drones for when (not if) you get baited. Probably does about the same amount of DPS too with the added benefit of shutting down the victims tank.

Thingymawotzit
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2009.10.22 02:07:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Lance Fighter
*shrug* its the best i got.


mines better

Lance Fighter
Amarr
Posted - 2009.10.22 02:27:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Lance Fighter on 22/10/2009 02:28:03
Originally by: Commander Crayton
I don't want it to be clumsy, i would like a fast and agile ship,

Originally by: Thingymawotzit

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II


King Dave
Raven Dynamics
Posted - 2009.10.22 07:48:00 - [14]
 

[Legion, New Setup 2]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Heat Sink II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Energy Parasitic Complex
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Legion Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization


This is the best I could come up with...

Even though it only has a low 200 dps (without max skills, probably utpo 215 with maxx woo!) It has 2 bonused neutralizers, which for any single ship in a belt will really screw them up.


Each repper does over 600 rep each. With 70% resistances all round, you will rarely find an npcer which beats that.

6.2s warp time and around 1.5k max speed.

Cap injector incase anyone starts neuting you back and also to help run everything of your own.

Personally, i don't think you will get a decent fit out of a legion for solo. It is probably better to use a pilgrim. That is my best shot!Shocked




Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2009.10.22 08:29:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Durzel on 22/10/2009 08:30:54
An interesting fit but quite honestly the neut subsystem is the worst one of all. You get half the neuting power of the Pilgrim at the same unbonused range, so those 2 medium neuts are doing the job of 1 on the Pilgrim.

Added to which you end up with laughably low sensor strength, you'd have 50% chance to be jammed per cycle by medium ECM drones. If a Falcon turned up you'd never be able to lock anything again.

Also, as with all setups even remotely viable there's no dronebay at all which at the range you engage (i.e. med neut range) is pretty perilous.

The plus side I guess is that it has a much better tank than the Pilgrim, while it lasts.

EDIT: Not being critical of your fit, the Legion is just pretty terribad imo.

Dukeslet
Posted - 2009.10.22 08:55:00 - [16]
 

[Legion, randomsolo]
Amarr Navy Heat Sink
Amarr Navy Heat Sink
Damage Control II
Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Medium Armor Repairer II

10MN Afterburner II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I
Medium Targeting System Subcontroller I
Medium Targeting System Subcontroller I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Energy Parasitic Complex
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Legion Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

or

[Legion, randomsolo copy 1]
Amarr Navy Heat Sink
Amarr Navy Heat Sink
Damage Control II
Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Medium Armor Repairer II

Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II
10MN Afterburner II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I
Medium Targeting System Subcontroller I
Medium Targeting System Subcontroller I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Legion Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Both have ~350 DPS with 5% med laser/3% all turret damage implants (all level 5 skills), with ~30k EHP and about 200 dps tank. If you drop the heat sinks for more tank its dps drops pretty significantly. The option is for either having a bonused neut (as the poster above pointed out, it's pretty terrible compared to a pilgrim) or taking the +sensor strength module instead and getting a mid for some type of ewar (stuck a TD in there for now).

Does about 1k m/s with overheat on while keeping a cruiser sig radius. You could use halos to make it less easily probable and harder to hit too (140m -> ~115m).


 

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