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Dzil
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2009.10.15 13:32:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Charles Swann
you guys suck at conspiracy theories.




Was it not "720" whom claimed he would try to imbed an auditor into MD, in order to audit a bond?

Here's a conspiracy theory for you: Cosmo = VV = Yih. But if this were the case, this project might actually achieve its effect: get enough directors scared this thing is legit, and they start working less effectively as a team, perhaps one or two approaches Yih interested in joining? Cosmo and VV could potentially repay investers just by taking in enough in bribes to finally reveal Yih is nothing but a nutpunch to goonswarm, tricking them into paying billions to MD. The ultimate scam.

-Dzil

Roguehalo
Caldari
Roguehalo Ship Brokers
Posted - 2009.10.15 13:36:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Dzil
Originally by: Charles Swann
you guys suck at conspiracy theories.




Was it not "720" whom claimed he would try to imbed an auditor into MD, in order to audit a bond?

Here's a conspiracy theory for you: Cosmo = VV = Yih. But if this were the case, this project might actually achieve its effect: get enough directors scared this thing is legit, and they start working less effectively as a team, perhaps one or two approaches Yih interested in joining? Cosmo and VV could potentially repay investers just by taking in enough in bribes to finally reveal Yih is nothing but a nutpunch to goonswarm, tricking them into paying billions to MD. The ultimate scam.

-Dzil



Maybe we should get Elvis in on this as an adviser

Aurorae Andromedae
Posted - 2009.10.15 14:22:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Dzil
Originally by: Charles Swann
you guys suck at conspiracy theories.




Here's a conspiracy theory for you: Cosmo = VV = Yih.

LOL. Conspiracy theories are funny ~~

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2009.10.15 14:41:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Dzil
Originally by: Charles Swann
you guys suck at conspiracy theories.


Here's a conspiracy theory for you: Cosmo = VV = Yih.

-Dzil



Heh, no. Thankfully, that is not true.

Zarithas
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.10.15 14:53:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Tesal
The irony, the guy promising to destroy Goonswarm is the Goon truest to form of being a Goon. If he succeeds, you should make him CEO of your shattered alliance. That was not a compliment by the way.

u mad (that your corpse graveyard for destroyed)?

Andron Blaxcor
Posted - 2009.10.15 15:09:00 - [96]
 

Well, Yih, you seem to have tightened up your proposal a lot, which can only be a good thing. I still worry slightly that once you have isk from MD you will be left with a choice of what to do:

1) Pocket what you can and run back to GS laughing.
2) Attack GS and keep as much profit as you can for yourself.
3) Attack GS and pay back investors.

However, the plan is better and there are ways around some of these problems without ruining the core of your plan. If, as you say, you are investing more than the amount you are asking for in other entities (e.g. mercs) then this could be used to eliminate option 1. For instance, if you are asking for 120b from investors and a combination of merc corps or other investees can confirm you have given them above that amount then it means if you run you'll be at a loss. This means option 1 is no longer profitable to you as an option (unless you control the merc corp of course).

That leaves us with teh other two options. Unfortunately, option 2 cannot be made unprofitable for you. However, I perceive the risk of this is lower because, if you are indeed in a position to be able and to want to pull this off you'll make a shed-load of isk anyway and be in a position where the meta-game of intrigue and corp destruction is important to you as well. Whilst however rich someone is 200b is a temptation, I think the context of what you are doing and why reduces this risk. It is still a problem, but a reduced one. And, besides, many people may think that funding a heavy blow against GS is fine by them, even if they don't get their isk back.

So, if you can prove that you've paid out in the region of the amount you're asking for from your personal assets, then you eliminate the largest of my misgivings and close what appears to me to be the biggest hole in your plan. Personally, I won't be investing as my isk is tied up and I'm quite a conservative player anyway.

As a closing note, well done with your tenacity. You drew a lot of fire but took notice of the criticisms, flames and trolls (even flamers and trolls sometimes hide good points in their posts) and revised your business plan. I hope you are legitimate and successful. If so, it'll be a great saga. Good luck.

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2009.10.15 15:19:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Andron Blaxcor
If so, it'll be a great saga. Good luck.




At the speed this is going i don't see it being filled though.As said before i find it highly unlikely this will not end up in a scam but i am VERRY anxious to see the outcome if it is not , so i hope there are enough idiots like me who like to take a gamble.

So in short be part of that saga or faillure Wink

Tokclik
GoonWaffe
Posted - 2009.10.15 16:33:00 - [98]
 



get enough directors scared this thing is legit, and they start working less effectively as a team,


You are insinuating that our directors are effective and work as a team.

Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.10.15 17:28:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Tokclik


get enough directors scared this thing is legit, and they start working less effectively as a team,


You are insinuating that our directors are effective and work as a team.


How dare he!

Tirestun
Intaki Armaments
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2009.10.15 17:33:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Tokclik


get enough directors scared this thing is legit, and they start working less effectively as a team,


You are insinuating that our directors are effective and work as a team.


How dare he!


Heh. I love MD.

Jack Gates
Gallente
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.10.15 18:22:00 - [101]
 

I can vouch for this guy. Whatever he says is true. Goonswarm is being brought down from the inside right now. I've already sent him 5b isk, and am awaiting confirmation.

Hoo Is
Posted - 2009.10.15 20:11:00 - [102]
 

Posting in a hopefully one day thread of epic historic consequences.

Here's good luck to you OP...

I can't believe the goons can actually find MD



I was saving that bacon

Vivinc Laloo
Posted - 2009.10.15 21:21:00 - [103]
 

There is some credibility to this. To anyone doubting goon internal overall ****fest have a peek in a certain forum of a certain Persona non grata (by ccp)

The Slagh
Posted - 2009.10.15 21:28:00 - [104]
 

Hey GS, MD called. They want their forum back Laughing

ingenting
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2009.10.15 22:18:00 - [105]
 

poasting in epic goon scam Cool

Kieselguhr Kid
Posted - 2009.10.15 23:20:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Vivinc Laloo
There is some credibility to this. To anyone doubting goon internal overall ****fest have a peek in a certain forum of a certain Persona non grata (by ccp)


or just ask us and we'll quote it for you ITT

if we didnt have forum drama we'd have to play Eve so I don't think that'd work out

mistress maat
Advanced pRHOductions
Posted - 2009.10.16 01:08:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: The Slagh
Hey GS, MD called. They want their forum back Laughing


I read MD, please keep your insults to yourself. I am an accomplished industrialist/trader within the goonswarm federation RPing a midget. You can't tell me where to post.

BigBank Hank
Posted - 2009.10.16 10:38:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: mistress maat
Originally by: The Slagh
Hey GS, MD called. They want their forum back Laughing


I read MD, please keep your insults to yourself. I am an accomplished industrialist/trader within the goonswarm federation RPing a midget. You can't tell me where to post.


You can poast wherever you like, just remember to poast as a midget.

LarcatOfRens
Posted - 2009.10.16 13:54:00 - [109]
 

ITT: The calm before the storm.
Shocked

Katiana Swan
Posted - 2009.10.16 14:55:00 - [110]
 

To the people who audited Yih,

Was there a clause in the audit acceptance stating you could release Yih's main characters names in the event he scams market discussions investors?

TeddyBr FTW
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.10.16 14:58:00 - [111]
 

Even though chances of getting isk from this is small....
I can't pass up the chance to stick it to the Gasbags. Razz

600m donated.

And if I do get anything from Yih I pledge to put it right back into R.E.P.O. to wardec what ever is left of the Goons. Twisted Evil

Goonie Gasbags: Death Came

cosmoray
Perkone
Posted - 2009.10.16 17:52:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Katiana Swan
To the people who audited Yih,

Was there a clause in the audit acceptance stating you could release Yih's main characters names in the event he scams market discussions investors?


Yes, if he SCAMS (which will include my investment) I will release the main's info and if people don't believe that the chat logs.

If the IPO isn't successful and the money is returned the main's identity remains a secret.
Any end result in which investors ARE NOT scammed the identity of Yih's main character will remain secret unless he chooses to announce it.




note: Most audits have a clause that if character information is kept secret the auditer will release all the information to the public in the case of a SCAM. Names of all character ALTS, etc....

Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.10.16 17:56:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: cosmoray
Originally by: Katiana Swan
To the people who audited Yih,

Was there a clause in the audit acceptance stating you could release Yih's main characters names in the event he scams market discussions investors?


Yes, if he SCAMS (which will include my investment) I will release the main's info and if people don't believe that the chat logs.

If the IPO isn't successful and the money is returned the main's identity remains a secret.
Any end result in which investors ARE NOT scammed the identity of Yih's main character will remain secret unless he chooses to announce it.




note: Most audits have a clause that if character information is kept secret the auditer will release all the information to the public in the case of a SCAM. Names of all character ALTS, etc....



You know, if you really thing this will work, get Ray to invest whatever's left in Ebank into this.

That might be the only way to get that back to solvency.

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2009.10.16 18:06:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: cosmoray
Originally by: Katiana Swan
To the people who audited Yih,

Was there a clause in the audit acceptance stating you could release Yih's main characters names in the event he scams market discussions investors?


Yes, if he SCAMS (which will include my investment) I will release the main's info and if people don't believe that the chat logs.

If the IPO isn't successful and the money is returned the main's identity remains a secret.
Any end result in which investors ARE NOT scammed the identity of Yih's main character will remain secret unless he chooses to announce it.




note: Most audits have a clause that if character information is kept secret the auditer will release all the information to the public in the case of a SCAM. Names of all character ALTS, etc....



You know, if you really thing this will work, get Ray to invest whatever's left in Ebank into this.

That might be the only way to get that back to solvency.


Now there's an interesting gamble.

Scurvy Pestilential
Posted - 2009.10.16 20:52:00 - [115]
 

SOunds like a great plan to me. However I am short on funds. Can you send me 10 Billion, and I should be able to raise the rest of the capital I need with that and pay you back. Thank you.

Arcika Toalen
GoonFleet
Posted - 2009.10.17 00:27:00 - [116]
 

I like the cut of your jib, would you be interested in a face to face presentation with a number of my business partners and I at the country club? Say Thursday? 2pm? Round of Golf after? Marvelous.

rubico1337
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Posted - 2009.10.17 02:28:00 - [117]
 

i would like to reserve one share for 300 mill, isk will be sent by tomorrow

if im going to get scammed this is the most entertaining way and there will be drama nevertheless, if it goes though the fallout will be amazing

its a win/win

Rotnac
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.10.17 04:39:00 - [118]
 

I for one welcome our new lord and master.

Aeon Storm
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2009.10.17 05:13:00 - [119]
 

Edited by: Aeon Storm on 17/10/2009 05:15:19
Yih, as a tired very old player I know you would prefer some money. I offer you my support instead. For money I lack.

Given the way the Goons are structured a plan like this is certainly possible. In my view their fall would improve the game, for there is little love for them amongst the general player base. The ensuing free for all would certainly improve the market, and free up large chunks of 0.0. The fact that such a thing is possible, is what makes EVE a great game.

To those of you who question; I'm in no position to say. I only know that game mechanics make it possible, and somewhere out there are people who would want to pull it off. To pull off one of the most challanging things that EVE could offer. Of this I have no doubt.

If Yih is such a player, then the relatively small investment is certainly worth it. If he is not, then in my view it was still worth it. Just for the simple fact that a chance to dismantle the Goons is a rare thing indeed.

Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
Posted - 2009.10.17 05:39:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Aeon Storm
The ensuing free for all would certainly improve the market, and free up large chunks of 0.0.


Disregarding the rest of your post, which was bloated and meaningless garbage, I'm going to focus on this. I'll pretend that stealing from GS would cause them to spontaneously combust and disappear.

Destroying the Goons would not improve the markets. Consider: Goons = hated = lots of pewpew involving them and their haters = lots of demand for ships, modules, rigs, ammo, etc. Some of that demand can be handled internally but if you think all of it is, you're crazy. Even assuming that it WAS all handled internally, the Goons do fun things like Jihadswarm, which ganks miners and forces them to buy new ships and modules. Plus the gankers buy ships and modules. Seeing a pattern here?

Destroying the Goons would not free up chunks of 0.0. If you think this is the case, you are C-R-A-Z-Y. The Goon empire would be taken over by another major 0.0 alliance within a week or two of Goon destruction. Or we'd see another one of those wierd incestuous alliances made up of the dregs of several failed alliances move in. Whatever. The point is that several regions wouldn't suddenly become accessible to random alliances in empire or lowsec.


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