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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2009.10.30 13:49:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Babyface Thirteen
1. Mission runners. Theese guys are per definition not intelligent so if you really have a business going your stuff will come from theese guys. Some salvage here and there, som modules, a little ammo. But the amount of mission runners that would be needed to make your business effective would result in way to much work on you side. Accepting contracts from hundreds of mission runners would for obvious reasons be way to much hazzle. Or do you really accept contracts with 50+ different items? Who do the math? you or the mission runner?


Ouch. That hurts. Wink

I see some of Jidsale's clients have spoken up and given their reasons, but I just want to touch on this comment.

I haven't seen the definition where mission runners = not intelligent. Did you use dictionary.com for that?

I'm a mission runner and a trader. You can see my thread here where I had an audit done confirming that I make profit on my trading (8 - 12% on average, per item, and that's straight station trading), so I hope that means I'm not stupid.

Unless you mean because missioners will sell loot for below "mineral value". Except that I reprocess most of my small/medium loot because I see that I can't sell it to a buy order for above mineral value, and the amounts are too low for me to set up sell orders. A lot of the larger guns are actually worth selling. Even so, I think you fail to realize that not all mission runners have great refining skills, so selling to traders below what the trader can reprocess for might actually be greater than what the mission runner can reprocess for.

So, fail on you for prejudicing an entire class of players (and PvPers who mission for ISK) based on your faulty assumptions. Are there lots of stupid people in the world/Eve? Sure. Are all mission runners stupid? No! Sad

Just because you can't wrap your brain around the idea, doesn't mean it won't work.

Babyface Thirteen
Posted - 2009.10.30 15:25:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: Babyface Thirteen on 30/10/2009 15:26:03
Quote:

Ouch. That hurts. Wink

I see some of Jidsale's clients have spoken up and given their reasons, but I just want to touch on this comment.

I haven't seen the definition where mission runners = not intelligent. Did you use dictionary.com for that?

I'm a mission runner and a trader. You can see my thread here where I had an audit done confirming that I make profit on my trading (8 - 12% on average, per item, and that's straight station trading), so I hope that means I'm not stupid.

Unless you mean because missioners will sell loot for below "mineral value". Except that I reprocess most of my small/medium loot because I see that I can't sell it to a buy order for above mineral value, and the amounts are too low for me to set up sell orders. A lot of the larger guns are actually worth selling. Even so, I think you fail to realize that not all mission runners have great refining skills, so selling to traders below what the trader can reprocess for might actually be greater than what the mission runner can reprocess for.

So, fail on you for prejudicing an entire class of players (and PvPers who mission for ISK) based on your faulty assumptions. Are there lots of stupid people in the world/Eve? Sure. Are all mission runners stupid? No! Sad

Just because you can't wrap your brain around the idea, doesn't mean it won't work.


Exactly what is the point of your nonsense?

I guess the great internet has once again striked us with strange definitions of common expressions.

1. Mission runner: Guy who do level 4 missions and will in theory try to maximize isk/hour doing what he does.

2. Trader: Guy who trade stuff and will in theory try to maximize isk/hour doing what he does.

Why choose 1 if 2 earn you more?

PvPer: Guys who shoot at each other, usually located in 0.0. If he sux will need ways to accumulate isk, this goal reached by either 1, 2 by the help of an alt or the third option 0.0 ratting.

So my big question to you is. Do you earn less in trading then you do in missions? If so, why would you want to do missions? Do you think they are fun or something? If the latter is the case, then you might per definition also be stupid. Have you done many levels 4s the last week?

Unless the majority of your gaming time is spent running missions, I dont see why you would label yourself as a mission runner.

Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
Posted - 2009.10.30 15:37:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Babyface Thirteen
If so, why would you want to do missions? Do you think they are fun or something? If the latter is the case, then you might per definition also be stupid.
As my attempted no. 1 stalker you are getting quite embarassing.
I want Roguehalo back.

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2009.10.30 15:42:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 30/10/2009 15:46:56
Originally by: Babyface Thirteen
Exactly what is the point of your nonsense?


To point out some of your own stupidity.

Originally by: Babyface Thirteen

I guess the great internet has once again striked us with strange definitions of common expressions.

1. Mission runner: Guy who do level 4 missions and will in theory try to maximize isk/hour doing what he does.

2. Trader: Guy who trade stuff and will in theory try to maximize isk/hour doing what he does.

Why choose 1 if 2 earn you more?



1. Yes, they can be fun.
2. They also earn standings.
3. Did you read my post? I'm a mission runner AND a trader. I can station trade in Jita from several jumps away WHILE I earn money missioning. How's that for maximizing ISK/hour? Perhaps I could make more moving stuff around, but we come to...
4. Trading is boring. At least, moving stuff around to trade is/can be. Even more boring than mining.
5. I try to maximize my ISK/hour and my fun/hour. I prefer to do something a little less ISK/hour if it gives me more fun/hour (hence, not moving stuff around in my trading).

Originally by: Babyface Thirteen
PvPer: Guys who shoot at each other, usually located in 0.0. If he sux will need ways to accumulate isk, this goal reached by either 1, 2 by the help of an alt or the third option 0.0 ratting.

So my big question to you is. Do you earn less in trading then you do in missions? If so, why would you want to do missions? Do you think they are fun or something? If the latter is the case, then you might per definition also be stupid. Have you done many levels 4s the last week?


You define my stupidity by what I find to be fun? Because I think missioning can be more fun than trading I am stupid? You fail at your blanket-wide definitions of people, which was a large point of my post.

Originally by: Babyface Thirteen
Unless the majority of your gaming time is spent running missions, I dont see why you would label yourself as a mission runner.


Finally, I have different levels of time that I can be online. I can get online for about 15 minutes every morning. I check and update orders. Other times, at random times, I can get online for hours, sometimes often interrupted by real life tasks. I get some market orders updated, then go do missions during that time. Yes, I spend a lot of time doing this. I get the added bonus with remote skills to be able to update market orders or put things on sale while in the middle of my mission. Finally, other times I can plan time where I can be online and dedicated to Eve; I can do some dedicated PvP at these times.

I pointed out that PvPers also mission because they do, and they don't have to be bad PvPers necessarily to do so. First, not all PvPers PvP for ISK, some do it for fun. PvPers, in 0.0 or in Empire, will have an alt or main to mission for ISK (heard of jump clones, mains can do it, too). They'll get the added bonus of running in +5s for a while when doing so. These kind of people might only spend a day or a weekend missioning to supply the ISK they need for a longer time in 0.0. Trading isn't exactly a worthwhile enterprise for them, since they don't have the time in Empire to manage orders every day.

Finally, your mention of missioners being stupid was in relation to Jidsale and buying stuff from them. I could only assume that your belief in their stupidity is due to the price that they will sell items at, as per the topic of this thread. I pointed out that I, as an example, am not stupid that way, so your blanket definition of mission runners as stupid is fail. Your further definition in this previous post as people who find different things fun than you do as stupid is also fail.

So, what is the point of your nonsense?

Mephistocles
Red Frog Investments
Blue Sky Consortium
Posted - 2009.10.30 15:42:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Babyface Thirteen
Exactly what is the point of your nonsense?

I guess the great internet has once again striked us with strange definitions of common expressions.

1. Mission runner: Guy who do level 4 missions and will in theory try to maximize isk/hour doing what he does.

2. Trader: Guy who trade stuff and will in theory try to maximize isk/hour doing what he does.

Why choose 1 if 2 earn you more?

PvPer: Guys who shoot at each other, usually located in 0.0. If he sux will need ways to accumulate isk, this goal reached by either 1, 2 by the help of an alt or the third option 0.0 ratting.

So my big question to you is. Do you earn less in trading then you do in missions? If so, why would you want to do missions? Do you think they are fun or something? If the latter is the case, then you might per definition also be stupid. Have you done many levels 4s the last week?

Unless the majority of your gaming time is spent running missions, I dont see why you would label yourself as a mission runner.


Wow, you can only do one thing at a time? I must have missed that in the tutorial. I've been doing it wrong!

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2009.10.30 15:52:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Mephistocles
Originally by: Babyface Thirteen
Exactly what is the point of your nonsense?

I guess the great internet has once again striked us with strange definitions of common expressions.

1. Mission runner: Guy who do level 4 missions and will in theory try to maximize isk/hour doing what he does.

2. Trader: Guy who trade stuff and will in theory try to maximize isk/hour doing what he does.

Why choose 1 if 2 earn you more?

PvPer: Guys who shoot at each other, usually located in 0.0. If he sux will need ways to accumulate isk, this goal reached by either 1, 2 by the help of an alt or the third option 0.0 ratting.

So my big question to you is. Do you earn less in trading then you do in missions? If so, why would you want to do missions? Do you think they are fun or something? If the latter is the case, then you might per definition also be stupid. Have you done many levels 4s the last week?

Unless the majority of your gaming time is spent running missions, I dont see why you would label yourself as a mission runner.


Wow, you can only do one thing at a time? I must have missed that in the tutorial. I've been doing it wrong!


By Babyface Thirteen's definition, you must be stupid....

Babyface Thirteen
Posted - 2009.10.31 11:46:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: Babyface Thirteen on 31/10/2009 11:46:23
Originally by: Dretzle Omega
Originally by: Mephistocles


Wow, you can only do one thing at a time? I must have missed that in the tutorial. I've been doing it wrong!


By Babyface Thirteen's definition, you must be stupid....


By drawing that conclusion, he must be stupid yes. It clearly say that the PvPer can trade and do missions, but that dont make him a mission runner.

/me stops replying to stupid peoples post in stupid scam threads.

Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
Posted - 2009.11.08 13:56:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Cista2 on 08/11/2009 14:17:26
Maturation.
I have returned the 3rd bond in full today, a few days early. Once again thanks to the investors for your confidence in me.

There will be no more bonds, as I have now begun selling Jidsale shares. The first auction is still running in this thread. It will finish on November 10th, after which I will facilitate trade of shares among investors.

Aggelos Theristes
Posted - 2009.11.08 14:11:00 - [69]
 

Isk received. Thanks!

ginlaan
Posted - 2009.11.08 14:46:00 - [70]
 

Isk recieved thank you

Coleostro
Posted - 2009.11.08 16:22:00 - [71]
 

Isk received, thank you.

Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
Posted - 2009.11.09 10:07:00 - [72]
 

Recieved, thankyou.

Quaz0r
Posted - 2009.11.10 10:55:00 - [73]
 

isk received, thx


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