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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2009.10.09 22:28:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Jin Nib on 09/10/2009 22:29:35
Originally by: llhloiug
So, while browsing the youtube content of Fanfest 2009, I checked out HTFU, and was surprised to find, and maybe I was hearing things wrong, that the f-bomb was used in the song. That's artistic license, so I didn't think too much about it. Then I watched the footage of the keynote.... with my family. Needless to say, I was pretty surprised by the casual use of "****" during the presentation, albeit a very cool presentation. I don't know if the culture has changed at ccp, but I seem to remember their being rules as to the type of language that could be used on the forum. Does that not extend to the productions that become the face of CCP and EVE? I might be alone in this, but I think it sounded very unprofessional to hear expletives of that sort during the keynote of all things. Those are my two cents.
I'm not sure why everyone's hating on you, but it's pretty funny.

The use of "****" has become fairly common in speeches which would otherwise be considered occupying a certain level of professionalism. In University a couple of years ago I heard a few visting speakers use it, either to try and connect, or be cool, or for impact. It always fell a little flat I think. Very few people find it shocking anymore, and it's use is not exactly risque. I find it is more disappointing then anything. It seems to herald an unnecessary simplification used in place of another more interesting phrase or explanation. In other words it is a stand in for when you want to express something with impact or meaning, but can't think of the words.

All the same it's natural to use the parlance we are used to, and the use of the word "****" in public talks and such is simply a progression thats bound to happen because of that.

Edit: Oh yeah I find it infinitely amusing that they censor the word on their forums if they feel its alright for fanfest.

Grarr Bexx
Posted - 2009.10.09 22:31:00 - [32]
 

Only three people quoted me? Come on, that was pretty iconic.

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2009.10.09 22:49:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 09/10/2009 22:50:02
Originally by: Grarr Bexx
Only three people quoted me? Come on, that was pretty iconic.


I was about to be the first, but then I decided I wanted to be somewhat serious. So there I quoted you Wink

EDIT:

Originally by: Jin Nib


Edit: Oh yeah I find it infinitely amusing that they censor the word on their forums if they feel its alright for fanfest.


But is there not an age requirement for Fan Fest?


Slade

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.10.09 22:52:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: llhloiug
the f-bomb/quote]
Are you american by any chance?

Tbear
Cave Bear Mining
Posted - 2009.10.09 22:56:00 - [35]
 

llhloiug,

I agree. CCP - Clean up your act and yes, have fun while you do it....ugh

Comrade Commizzar
Posted - 2009.10.09 22:59:00 - [36]
 

Only one thing to say in response to you mate.....

HTFU !!!

Very HappyVery HappyVery HappyVery Happy

Ghoest
Posted - 2009.10.09 23:02:00 - [37]
 

crai more noob

Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2009.10.09 23:03:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Slade Trillgon

Originally by: Jin Nib


Edit: Oh yeah I find it infinitely amusing that they censor the word on their forums if they feel its alright for fanfest.


But is there not an age requirement for Fan Fest?


Slade

I figure there was. It's more a question of presentation though. Given that the average age for players in this game is 28 (or there abouts) I say they dispense with "age appropriate" nonsense in any case.

At the same time, recruiting out of younger circles helps pay for ****. Fanfest is a public presentation of EVE and CCP though, and if you are aiming for a certain level of acceptance it makes sense to be consistent.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2009.10.09 23:04:00 - [39]
 

Ok, op does have a point. Casual use of profanity during a presentation is not acceptable. I have done several presentations myself and when being watched by peers I have to make sure I am being professional in language and presentation.

As the op pointed out, families who could not go to fan fest do watch this on the internet, and the tone and presentation should be made for all audiences.


Oh well though, we are human and we mess up on occasion.

<3 you ccp!

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.10.09 23:07:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Ok, op does have a point. Casual use of profanity during a presentation is not acceptable. I have done several presentations myself and when being watched by peers I have to make sure I am being professional in language and presentation.

As the op pointed out, families who could not go to fan fest do watch this on the internet, and the tone and presentation should be made for all audiences.


Oh well though, we are human and we mess up on occasion.

<3 you ccp!



This is where you messed up.

This is a fan festival, by adults for adults. The median age was what? 30yrs old?

Was the alcohol unacceptable as well?

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2009.10.09 23:24:00 - [41]
 

1) Harden the **** Up

2) Fanfest is 18+, why are you showing footage of it to your family which includes under-18s?

3) Forums are general access, so nasty words like the F-bomb (does anyone actually call it that?) and the C-bomb are redacted.

Marko Riva
Posted - 2009.10.09 23:30:00 - [42]
 

Luckily we don't all live in a country where something as nipplegate creates nationwide outrage.

Greg DaimYo
Caldari
Biotronics Inc.
Posted - 2009.10.09 23:30:00 - [43]
 

Jesus Christ: Welcome to the 21st century.

Just shut the mother****ing **** up and grow some balls. Jesus christ mother****er.

P.S.: Pun intended.

Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2009.10.09 23:40:00 - [44]
 

OMG som1 is disagrees with Me on teh forums! He woulnt lcik me when I'm ANGRY, Ill shoe him he's the sucxxors. HEY OP you ar a suxx
And wrong Deal with it!

he re to proev my point is **** **** **** **** oh waiy is it censored!! ****

Rolling Eyes

robbyx
Posted - 2009.10.09 23:50:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: robbyx on 09/10/2009 23:50:11
Originally by: Jin Nib
OMG som1 is disagrees with Me on teh forums! He woulnt lcik me when I'm ANGRY, Ill shoe him he's the sucxxors. HEY OP you ar a suxx
And wrong Deal with it!

he re to proev my point is **** **** **** **** oh waiy is it censored!! ****

Rolling Eyes


See kids, dont swear, drink or do drugs...or you could end up like this ret*rd ^.

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2009.10.09 23:50:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Ok, op does have a point. Casual use of profanity during a presentation is not acceptable. I have done several presentations myself and when being watched by peers I have to make sure I am being professional in language and presentation.

As the op pointed out, families who could not go to fan fest do watch this on the internet, and the tone and presentation should be made for all audiences.


Oh well though, we are human and we mess up on occasion.

<3 you ccp!


True, but are the "fans" truely "peers"?

This is a non-professional convention with an age limit, that is for entertainment, that just so happens to involved a few presentations that may have more business-like aspects.

Why do they put the age limit on Fan Fest? My guess is that they want to be able to hang loose and have a good time shooting the **** with their fans. Not being all uptight and suitlike.

Would you expect them to hold their language at the drinking session afterwards? If not then why do they need to be uptight while presenting their boring ass power point slides?


Slade

General Meridus
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.10.09 23:55:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Jin Nib

....I find it is more disappointing then anything. It seems to herald an unnecessary simplification used in place of another more interesting phrase or explanation. In other words it is a stand in for when you want to express something with impact or meaning, but can't think of the words.


This ^

Daelorn
Posted - 2009.10.10 00:01:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: llhloiug
So, while browsing the youtube content of Fanfest 2009, I checked out HTFU, and was surprised to find, and maybe I was hearing things wrong, that the f-bomb was used in the song. That's artistic license, so I didn't think too much about it. Then I watched the footage of the keynote.... with my family. Needless to say, I was pretty surprised by the casual use of "****" during the presentation, albeit a very cool presentation. I don't know if the culture has changed at ccp, but I seem to remember their being rules as to the type of language that could be used on the forum. Does that not extend to the productions that become the face of CCP and EVE? I might be alone in this, but I think it sounded very unprofessional to hear expletives of that sort during the keynote of all things. Those are my two cents.


I think CCP is cool for being so laid back. CCP use to be more laid back and had more of a sense of humor the farther back in time you go and had more fun.

I remember when TomB nerfed something and Daakkon (old player, doesn't play anymore) made a paint sig of him shooting TomB IRL. The next day he woke up to have his sig changed to one of TomB beating him down with a nerf bat, irl of course. CCP wouldn't do things like that anymore, wish they did.

Honestly like someone else said, harden the **** up. If you don't want to then you can leave.

CCP for the ****ing win.

Quaristice
Posted - 2009.10.10 00:38:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Quaristice on 10/10/2009 00:39:16
Dude..., like others have said, this wasnt a "keynote" speech given to investors, people high up the corporate ladder, media, etc. It was a FANNNNN FESTTTTT....a FUN event that FANS go to and get all sorts of cool treats. You need to chill out man. This isnt Crapple owner Steve Jobs giving his once-a-year blah blah keynote. It was meant all in good fun. By the looks of the people at fanfest it seems everyone was at least 18....AT LEAST. I could even say 21. Some of the girls were cute as ****!

So yeah...chill man. Do you not watch R rated movies? You remind me of my ex who was like "Ow...cuss words sting my ears". STFU and GTF over it!

Tellenta
Gallente
versic LLC
Posted - 2009.10.10 00:58:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: llhloiug
Have you all ever been to a keynote presentation? I mean, look at the first 5-10 minutes of the presentation. One of it's purposes is to show to investors what CCP is all about. In general, profanity is not very professional, unless you're General Patton. : P


Alright, lets imagine that CCP was holding a keynote to win over investors and/or new talent. You got that picture? Great now burn that *****, this is fanfest a collection of people that love CCP's product enough to fly/swim/boat their way to Iceland for a few days of fun and boozing with CCP staff with the bonus part of being introduced to some of their upcoming new features. Not some quaint powerpoint presentation.

The Slayer
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Posted - 2009.10.10 01:01:00 - [51]
 

Compare this to the speech that hilmar gave when he showed off dust for the first time at <enter name of crazy eu e3 here>. Where there were industry experts and people he would be interested in investing. Not a single swear, very professional. Fanfest is something different entirely :)

batloard
Amarr
Debitum Naturae
Drop the Hammer
Posted - 2009.10.10 01:29:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Grarr Bexx
Harden the **** up.


I laughed so hard just now...

It's fanfest...filled with you know...fans? (Go on a pvp op and listen to vent if this type of language surprises you)

Plim
Gallente
Everything Financial
Posted - 2009.10.10 01:43:00 - [53]
 

Doesn't the use of such casual language just highlight how close the CCP team has become with the game's fans?

Xenuchrist
STK Scientific
Rolling Thunder.
Posted - 2009.10.10 01:54:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: llhloiug
So, while browsing the youtube content of Fanfest 2009, I checked out HTFU, and was surprised to find, and maybe I was hearing things wrong, that the f-bomb was used in the song. That's artistic license, so I didn't think too much about it. Then I watched the footage of the keynote.... with my family. Needless to say, I was pretty surprised by the casual use of "****" during the presentation, albeit a very cool presentation. I don't know if the culture has changed at ccp, but I seem to remember their being rules as to the type of language that could be used on the forum. Does that not extend to the productions that become the face of CCP and EVE? I might be alone in this, but I think it sounded very unprofessional to hear expletives of that sort during the keynote of all things. Those are my two cents.


>.<

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2009.10.10 02:01:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Jin Nib
I find it is more disappointing then anything. It seems to herald an unnecessary simplification used in place of another more interesting phrase or explanation. In other words it is a stand in for when you want to express something with impact or meaning, but can't think of the words.


I agree, it's a fill-in word for people who have not developed a familiarity with all the words and idioms in their existing vocabulary which would serve to convey the message they wish to impart.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2009.10.10 02:10:00 - [56]
 

Imagine the scene at Ilhloiug's house:

Younger son: Daddy, why are those people on youtube swearing?
Daddy: I have no idea, but we better call the FCC!!!
Older sister: They're drunken vikings, that's why.


And while she might be secretly dreaming of being spirited away by drunken vikings and ravaged in so many ways, it won't happen cause she's a fat american teenager precluded from the international meat market.

Fortum Peccavi
Posted - 2009.10.10 02:39:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab

And while she might be secretly dreaming of being spirited away by drunken vikings and ravaged in so many ways, it won't happen cause she's a fat american teenager precluded from the international meat market.


I lol'd so ****ing hard.

MightyRhinox
Minmatar
Rhinox Heavy Industries
Twilight Military Industrial Complex Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.10 03:11:00 - [58]
 

The op is right, the video is downright offensive; not a single hot chick anywhere, not a bikini nor a stripper. Just the butt ugly CCP staff up on stage rabbiting on about some **** or other....

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.10.10 03:13:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: MightyRhinox
The op is right, the video is downright offensive; not a single hot chick anywhere, not a bikini nor a stripper. Just the butt ugly CCP staff up on stage rabbiting on about some **** or other....
Take that back. StevieSG is Hot Evil or Very Mad

Plim
Gallente
Everything Financial
Posted - 2009.10.10 03:18:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Jin Nib
I find it is more disappointing then anything. It seems to herald an unnecessary simplification used in place of another more interesting phrase or explanation. In other words it is a stand in for when you want to express something with impact or meaning, but can't think of the words.


I agree, it's a fill-in word for people who have not developed a familiarity with all the words and idioms in their existing vocabulary which would serve to convey the message they wish to impart.



Actually curse words can be very useful when one wishes to be emphatic, as their meaning inspires the use of a specific part of the brain which deals with the evocation of emotion, therefore they impart something which other words cannot.

This is the reason why people with tourette-syndrome swear involuntarily and those with tourette-syndrome who are deaf and sign even involuntarily sign curse words, as their condition affects that area of their neurology, but not the rest of the brain's language center.

And the prodigious use of the word **** doesn't preclude one from commanding a broad lexicon of other words does it?

I concede that some people are just ill educated and cannot articulate very well without swearing. But it seems to me that the obsession that some people have with swearing betrays a very middle class set of priorities. Surely there are more important things to get upset about.


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