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Vanzatoarea
Posted - 2009.10.09 05:49:00 - [361]
 

Originally by: Zartanic
Edited by: Zartanic on 08/10/2009 23:28:32
Originally by: Vanzatoarea
Originally by: Zartanic
Edited by: Zartanic on 08/10/2009 20:56:30

I can see your point and CCP does to I think. In that video they said they overbuffed Level 4's and failing to introduce motives to go to nul sec. Hopefully that will change in the next expansion. Low and Nul sec should be so attractive anyone staying in Hi Sec will be poor Cousins rather than rich Uncles. It should be done by encouraging rather than punishing though as a sub is a sub and CCP needs every penny it can get.

I'm in RvB now but before I joined I used to go to nul and low sec and failed to find anything to keep me there which was annoying.


well 0.0 proves that people allways gravitate twards achieving safety in order to achieve goals , thus the blobs everyone whines about. They are the natural substitute for concord, and they are a normal thing . People will defend there interests . People dont want to lose there assets , so they band up and do everything to win

0.0 alone...well...try looking at it from the other side. If someone would come in the system you do your stuff in (pve , isk , manufacture , whatever) and you wouldnt have any npc`s to watch your ass , wouldnt your first action be "is he friendly?" , followed by "find and kill him so he wont kill me while i tank 832 rats" if the answer to the first is no?

Set your expectations differently : See 0.0 like empire without concord , not like some weird arena wow-style.


Its nothing like empire without concord. If it was I'd be there right now. Either a space is empty and useless or its kos. It is good for mission running and some exploration but that's hardly PVP.

Nul sec needs a good reason to be there other than watching my back which has limited appeal. There needs to be a motive and there is none. I never feel worried there, I'm either caught or I'm not. Either way does not matter to me much. I do not want to be part of some political alliance with all the crap going on or just another cog in a big wheel being told what to do all day. I would refuse to join a blob as Id rather watch paint dry. Same for ganking or gate camping, its boring. No chance of an adrenaline rush from doing that. I would question whether those activities are PVP at all in the competitive sense which is what any game is supposed to provide.

There are many other aspects of EVE PVP I find a lot more fun. Its fine for others to enjoy it but I simply do not. A lot of nul sec PVP is a very small part of what PVP actually is or can be. Its not PVP in its pure form as it does not cover a lot of elements you would expect in a PVP game.

If nul sec were split into small, manageble corps then that would be fine but its not. Its why WH space is so popular as they are intentionally anti blob and anti gank. You do not get gate camps in WH space. So there is where you get a lot of PVP players, not nul sec. Its also why CCP seem to be trying to make changes, we will see if that works.


waaay yo miss the point .

dominion will ruin eve beyond repair , that`s a fact by now

PvP is a game of cat and mouse , fighting occurs only when both sides think they are the mouse

stop beeing such a simpleminded fool , this isnt an arena

Ban Doga
Posted - 2009.10.09 06:36:00 - [362]
 

Edited by: Ban Doga on 09/10/2009 06:36:26
Originally by: Vanzatoarea

dominion will ruin eve beyond repair , that`s a fact by now



I expect to have your letter of resignation on my desk by tomorrow morning.


Good luck to you.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.10.09 09:19:00 - [363]
 

Originally by: Vanzatoarea
dominion will ruin eve beyond repair , that`s a fact by now

Laughing Yes, yes. Eve will die once Dominion hits. You hardcore PVPers seem to be the whiniest emo kids when you don't get your way. You guys are the true carebears in Eve but you don't even realize it. You hate that which you are. How friggin' ironic.

My sig fits your persona so well it's scary Shocked.


sHERU
Posted - 2009.10.09 10:32:00 - [364]
 

Okay, here is an idea:

Remove Local, remove listed mining belts (so you have to find them with probes) and remove the almighty "who's in space?" blob overview on the map.

And everyone will be heading for lowsec/0.0

More exploration, more diversity, more surprises and more teamwork.

Only those that smacktalk in local will complain about this.

What ya think?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.10.09 10:57:00 - [365]
 

Edited by: Malcanis on 09/10/2009 10:57:17
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Vanzatoarea
dominion will ruin eve beyond repair , that`s a fact by now

Laughing Yes, yes. Eve will die once Dominion hits. You hardcore PVPers seem to be the whiniest emo kids when you don't get your way. You guys are the true carebears in Eve but you don't even realize it. You hate that which you are. How friggin' ironic.

My sig fits your persona so well it's scary Shocked.






He's nearly as big an idiot as you are.

Dominion is the best thing CCP have done for EvE in years.

Shitz
Posted - 2009.10.09 11:08:00 - [366]
 

its been said 1000 times that there are 3 clearly defined areas of Eve, Empire, Lowsec and nullsec each with a specific purpose and gamestyle in mind, the lowsec and nullsec dwellers starved of easy meat targets constantly scream for nerfbat against empire in order to drive empire dwellers into the waiting gatecamp autocannons, they can't accept the obvious reality that all will happen is most people will simply quit.

Instead of nerfing empire, they need to figure out why its more attractive to live in Empire than lowsec and nullsec, all the answers to that again revolve around moving empire content such as L4's to lowsec, which again won't work because the economics of highsec playstyle != lowsec/nullsec.

Lowsec is supposed to be a wild frontier, WH space actually resembles more of the challenge that 0.0 should have been. there needs to be a huge imbalance in risk and reward, i.e all the 0.0 lawless risks but with potential of either massive rewards or nothing, nothing should be predictable.

Most people are aware that the best plexes are farmed 24/7 by elite alliance spaceholders, moon goo income is a done deal, mining is pure suicide unless you are inside well-defended space, a dead-end or have a big enough defense fleet that would break the economics anyway - the economics of taking ground without a masssive logistics operation are pointless, the big alliances are in their napfest to stay.

Now CCP has figured this out, and wants to shake up the applecart all the PVP purist nerdragers are up in arms saying "dominion" will kill Eve, but its inevitable that change must come - current 0.0 napfests prove that players kill the content/enjoyment just as much as the carebear crew - there is simply nothing worth doing in 0.0 because all the best content is controlled by a minority who are almost impossible to move on.

CCP clearly needs to create dynamics where every alliance napped or not is forced into a constant state of flux, resources need to be much more randomised that encourages exploration and teamwork vs simple farming.

if you boost 0.0 and lowsec enough to make some point to it, and find some answer to chokepoint camping that allows enough people to even get to their destination in the first place then for sure you will get people exploring and finding new income streams and some justification for the PVP skirmishes - because generally most carebears are either going to be happy to either skirmish nanogang style, or fleet up for a big admiral ackbah battle. just getting pwned by a 30 man gatecamp in a wtf moment, surprisingly is only enjoyable by one side.

There are countless things CCP could do to boost 0.0 - creating specific deployed sentry perimiter zones to guard mining ops from jackals, expand black-ops ships to allow them to create jump portals for more ship types to "flank" camped gates, create more open access "outpost" stations better defended against station campers (more windows would help).

But i suspect that people dont want such changes, because the PVP nerdragers arent actually looking for more people to come to 0.0/lowsec on fair terms or to improve their game experience, they just want the current status-quo but with more targets and less risk consequence (i.e concord)

Zartanic
Posted - 2009.10.09 11:54:00 - [367]
 

Originally by: Vanzatoarea
Originally by: Zartanic
Edited by: Zartanic on 08/10/2009 23:28:32
Originally by: Vanzatoarea
Originally by: Zartanic
Edited by: Zartanic on 08/10/2009 20:56:30

I can see your point and CCP does to I think. In that video they said they overbuffed Level 4's and failing to introduce motives to go to nul sec. Hopefully that will change in the next expansion. Low and Nul sec should be so attractive anyone staying in Hi Sec will be poor Cousins rather than rich Uncles. It should be done by encouraging rather than punishing though as a sub is a sub and CCP needs every penny it can get.

I'm in RvB now but before I joined I used to go to nul and low sec and failed to find anything to keep me there which was annoying.


well 0.0 proves that people allways gravitate twards achieving safety in order to achieve goals , thus the blobs everyone whines about. They are the natural substitute for concord, and they are a normal thing . People will defend there interests . People dont want to lose there assets , so they band up and do everything to win

0.0 alone...well...try looking at it from the other side. If someone would come in the system you do your stuff in (pve , isk , manufacture , whatever) and you wouldnt have any npc`s to watch your ass , wouldnt your first action be "is he friendly?" , followed by "find and kill him so he wont kill me while i tank 832 rats" if the answer to the first is no?

Set your expectations differently : See 0.0 like empire without concord , not like some weird arena wow-style.


Its nothing like empire without concord. If it was I'd be there right now. Either a space is empty and useless or its kos. It is good for mission running and some exploration but that's hardly PVP.

Nul sec needs a good reason to be there other than watching my back which has limited appeal. There needs to be a motive and there is none. I never feel worried there, I'm either caught or I'm not. Either way does not matter to me much. I do not want to be part of some political alliance with all the crap going on or just another cog in a big wheel being told what to do all day. I would refuse to join a blob as Id rather watch paint dry. Same for ganking or gate camping, its boring. No chance of an adrenaline rush from doing that. I would question whether those activities are PVP at all in the competitive sense which is what any game is supposed to provide.

There are many other aspects of EVE PVP I find a lot more fun. Its fine for others to enjoy it but I simply do not. A lot of nul sec PVP is a very small part of what PVP actually is or can be. Its not PVP in its pure form as it does not cover a lot of elements you would expect in a PVP game.

If nul sec were split into small, manageble corps then that would be fine but its not. Its why WH space is so popular as they are intentionally anti blob and anti gank. You do not get gate camps in WH space. So there is where you get a lot of PVP players, not nul sec. Its also why CCP seem to be trying to make changes, we will see if that works.


waaay yo miss the point .

dominion will ruin eve beyond repair , that`s a fact by now

PvP is a game of cat and mouse , fighting occurs only when both sides think they are the mouse

stop beeing such a simpleminded fool , this isnt an arena


Cat and Mouse? Your kidding right? Its less safe in Jita than it is in most nul sec areas IF your in the right alliance. And you need to be in an Alliance to get anything out of the dump and bother to be there so nul sec is the safest place in the game.

Alliances killed true PVP in this game, don't blame carebears. At least we don't pretend to PVP or pass off blobbing and camping as skilled game play.

Oh and can I have you stuff pwetty pweezeVery Happy

Hroya
Posted - 2009.10.09 12:12:00 - [368]
 

Remove alliances, turn the skill into a mega corp skill that lets you have 1.5k players max in your corp.(if that skills doesnt allready excist, but meh )
Remove standings so no blue's anywhere.
You eighter have red or neutral. Blue sucks balls because you are eighter part of "my" corp or you are a competitor.

Lets see how it would look then and how crazy those ****lomatic metagamers would become.

Note that those that know me can assure you that i never know what i am talking about.


MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.10.09 12:21:00 - [369]
 

Too bad these 'hardcore PVPers' dont run on their own tears Laughing. Too bitter I guess.


Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2009.10.10 01:23:00 - [370]
 

Gaiz... It *might* just be me... But I have a feeling that CCP is sending a little message...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q

Maybe its just me...

pc dude
Ghosts of Ragnarok
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.10.10 05:54:00 - [371]
 

where may i place my vote to have rells elected to emperor of ccp? (if he ran) csm isnt enough

p.s. dont quit, but if u do, can i have your stuff?

Space Murderer
Posted - 2009.10.10 05:58:00 - [372]
 

I wholeheartedly endorse this product and/or service.

Originally by: pc dude
where may i place my vote to have rells elected to emperor of ccp? (if he ran) csm isnt enough

p.s. dont quit, but if u do, can i have your stuff?

Esk Esme
Caldari
Smack Crack and Pot
Posted - 2009.10.10 16:06:00 - [373]
 

seems alot ppl dont understand the concept of PvP

well PvP = people against people

it doesnt matter wot aspect you are doing if it affects another directly or indirctly its PvP

NEWSFLASH
PvP doesnt allways = combat

my english sux sue me

on a side note
so all the carbare mains/alts av left game no1 is building **** or selling ****
hmm wot you gona fly now ???
lol fail whine by OP
each to they own and wot others do has nothing to do with any1 els tbh


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