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Chi'kote
Caldari
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.10.12 20:22:00 - [61]
 

So, big bad people saying how great they are and how much we suck, I have a question: Where are you? Seriously, where are you? We've been roaming around for a week without seeing anyone? Oh, wait, that's right. You picked on industrials and unorganized small groups while they were getting set up, then once they organized and seriously fought back, you did your usual smack and run. Haven't been back.

Oh, except for really stupid GK bomber pilots who take on ceptors. And their loyal dessie pilot who comes to "spring an uber ambush", then runs and leaves his wing man to die when 1 more alliance mate warps in making it a 2 v 2.

GK is a joke. They are all cloakers. The smart ones run from good fights, and the dumb ones die in them. Since we killed all the dumb ones, we haven't seen any GK in the area Smile

Chi'kote
Caldari
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.10.12 20:27:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Wilson Cole
This thread amuses me.

Comparing KB's its fairly obvious who sucks. Having flown as both a renter and a belligerent in Fountain, both with and against Grievance I can pretty much break the trouble down to this:

Everyone I've seen in GK is competent and while a similar number of pilots in Grief have functioning brains its a much lower percentage on the whole as grief is like 10-20 times larger than GK.

GK does it the way you should do things - they are hugely outnumbered, living in a region that is without exception hostile to them. Of course they will use guerrilla tactics and stealth ships, which seems to be your only complaint - that they wont stand and give you a straight fight when they are outnumbered 10-1. Maybe you should start adapting to their tactics if you want greater success.

The problem is 80% of renters take absolutely no precautions to secure their own survival. Ratting with reds in local, not watching intel, ratting in a BS un-aligned and a million other rules which should be sacred to anyone living in 0.0 and possessing half a brain. Until grief and every other renter corp gets their **** together a handful of skilled pilots with a plan, like GK, will continue to **** their collective faces.


As stated just above, our **** is together, and the reds don't like the smell of it anymore.

And P.S., how is a thrasher and manticore taking on a ceptor, followed by the thrasher running away and leaving the manticore to die when 1 single AF warps in, them standing to a fair fight? That's not 10-1. That's 1-1. As soon as they didn't have twice the numbers, they tried to run away.

I agree with you that many fountain renters will do stupid things or run and hide. But stating that grief as a whole falls into that category is a sad mistake for someone to make.

Wilson Cole
Minmatar
The Freelancer's Mining Cartel
Camorra Mortale
Posted - 2009.10.12 20:32:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Wilson Cole on 12/10/2009 20:34:58
Edited by: Wilson Cole on 12/10/2009 20:34:28
Edited by: Wilson Cole on 12/10/2009 20:33:57
Again, I didnt say ALL grief falls into that category just most of you. Your most outspoken proponent, Athlon, is the one who should probably keep his mouth the most firmly closed. Even on the "new killboard" He has a 1:8 KD Ratio. Not two weeks ago he got killed in an apoc in a system full of grief guys by two stealth bombers who frankly shouldn't have had a chance.

And when I say 10:1 you have to look at the population in the systems they tend to engage you in where there are 30-40 blues in local 23-7. In surrounding systems there are similarly large populations and yet a 15-20 man corp runs riot over the whole region. Last time I checked Grief KB efficiency was like 20% alliance wide and GK's was closer to 80%. Smells like win to me.

If Grief is turning that around thats good, though its news to me.

Chi'kote
Caldari
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.10.12 20:36:00 - [64]
 

All I can say is, if I were there, I would have gladly warped in in my ibis and chased them offSmile

Come to think of it, I bet a well fit ibis would take down some of their SB pilots. I might have to give that one a tryShocked

Marie Silver
Caldari
Answer To Mankind
The Last Brigade
Posted - 2009.10.12 21:52:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Wilson Cole
Edited by: Wilson Cole on 12/10/2009 20:34:58
Edited by: Wilson Cole on 12/10/2009 20:34:28
Edited by: Wilson Cole on 12/10/2009 20:33:57
Again, I didnt say ALL grief falls into that category just most of you. Your most outspoken proponent, Athlon, is the one who should probably keep his mouth the most firmly closed. Even on the "new killboard" He has a 1:8 KD Ratio. Not two weeks ago he got killed in an apoc in a system full of grief guys by two stealth bombers who frankly shouldn't have had a chance.

And when I say 10:1 you have to look at the population in the systems they tend to engage you in where there are 30-40 blues in local 23-7. In surrounding systems there are similarly large populations and yet a 15-20 man corp runs riot over the whole region. Last time I checked Grief KB efficiency was like 20% alliance wide and GK's was closer to 80%. Smells like win to me.

If Grief is turning that around thats good, though its news to me.



I know that I'm right now not only speaking for myself, but for my corporation. Not alliance, but for my corp.
We like GK. They tend to give us a good fight here and there, and they're good at what they do. Hands down to GK.

Although, what I can't stand, is your attempt to do "a GK" in Fountain -thingy with your friends.

Anyway, I'm the vice executor of G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E.
And I can say that we're not the best alliance out there.
And if we were, we wouldn't be renters.
My thing I'm wondering is.. Why make such a big fuzz about it? I'm not saying we suck, because I do not believe we do.
I'm just saying that we can do better, and hey - Practice & time makes excellence. We're a fairly new alliance, if we did alot better it'd be wierd, cuz I mean, generally new alliances ain't supposed to perform top notch from scratch.

My point is: We're getting there. All big alliances started out in the same boat. Now, everyone, just take a chill pill, smoke a peace pipe, blow some ships up and be happy. Alrite?

After all, it's just fun, right?

P.S, Athlon does have a temper. It's cute when he gets mad :*

// Marie Silver. Vice Executor, G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E Alliance.

AthlonJedi
Gallente
RazorBlade Smile Inc.
Posted - 2009.10.12 22:40:00 - [66]
 

yea lost that apoc in a SERPENTIS SITE in which AFTER I had all the aggro from the rats you attacked, once again, using rats to further your attack is , well wanna be empire pirate tactics at best. Had this been elsewhere with out 7 rat BSes shooting at me while you jammed my ship, you would have been one shot kills.

while the tactic was cleaver, it was still the RATS that did most of the killing on that one.


Vahn Seiro
Gallente
ANZAC ALLIANCE
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.12 22:56:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: Vahn Seiro on 12/10/2009 23:09:02
Edited by: Vahn Seiro on 12/10/2009 23:04:19
Edited by: Vahn Seiro on 12/10/2009 22:57:17
tbh mate, it still never should have happened. There was 5 of us in system, you guys shouldn't have been ratting. I mean good lord there is all of fountain open to you guys and you rat in the most hostile system in fountain??

Oh and to be specific. We killed you NOT because of the rat aggro, but for whatever god knows reason, you brought a bs...with no drones. If you had even t1 drones, we wouldn't have had a chance. But you brought out a PvE ship, poorly fit and unprepared, into space with multiple hostiles.

http://poofd.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=891132

(And we havn't even mentioned the drake buddy of yours that hightailed it out of there preeeetty damn fast. never to be seen again o_O)

and the rats did most damage eh?

Marie Silver
Caldari
Answer To Mankind
The Last Brigade
Posted - 2009.10.12 23:36:00 - [68]
 

Come on you two, take your personal ****ing chitchat back to kindergarden. An alliance discussion-thread shouldn't be around a single KM.

Wakahaka
Caldari
Serenity Ascension
On the Rocks
Posted - 2009.10.13 12:29:00 - [69]
 

Finally had some folks show up to 3WE who weren't afraid to fight last night. Few T2 Frigates and what not, we both lost ships, but it was still fun.

At least they engaged us front on instead of sitting at Jump gates as bait, or sitting cloaked waiting until people are engaged with rats.

The cheapshot tactics get a bit old. It's always much easier to go into an area where people feel comfortable, like it's their home... and to snipe them in the back when they're not looking.

Some hostiles sit in system for 10 hours straight, doing nothing but staying cloaked until they catch the unsuspecting fool ratting by himself, decloak, and gank him.

That's how these killboard statistics come from. Not from glorious pvp, but from cheapshot tactics.

But, you can keep blowing your horn like you're the best thing since sliced bread as you sit cloaked on that jumpgate waiting for joenoob to jump through solo. Skill is not the same as opportunity. Anyone can sit in a Covops at a gate for hours on end.

Uncle Dick
Gallente
0ne Percent.
Posted - 2009.10.13 12:52:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Wakahaka
That's how these killboard statistics come from. Not from glorious pvp, but from cheapshot tactics.




Ah lol no. These stats come from you guys being terrible. Using comedy fits, having no clue about pvp, and generally just sucking alot of ass.

Really the best thing to do at this point is to just stop posting, the hole is just getting deeper.

Chi'kote
Caldari
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.10.13 12:55:00 - [71]
 

Confirming a good little fight, all be it rather short, from ZAF last night. I'd call it fairly even given they had about 15 man frigate (t1, ceptor & bomber) fleet against a recon, ceptor, drake and woefully unprepared POS that I had been to lazy to finish setting up (o/ my bad. No gun pos = failSad Situation rectified). That said, taking 2 ceptors and a SB versus losing 1 recon a pretty good 50/50 isk split.

mkd0815
Caldari
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.10.13 13:08:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: mkd0815 on 13/10/2009 13:12:03
Originally by: Uncle ****
Originally by: Wakahaka
That's how these killboard statistics come from. Not from glorious pvp, but from cheapshot tactics.




Ah lol no. These stats come from you guys being terrible. Using comedy fits, having no clue about pvp, and generally just sucking alot of ass.

Really the best thing to do at this point is to just stop posting, the hole is just getting deeper.



Hurricane

Brutix

Fittings like that are the reasons we make jokes about "our" Renters :-)

and its fights like this or this or this one where we get our stats up. solo hunting your ratter it a lot more risky that going against one of your fleets.

and that are just 3 fight in the first 48 hours since we came back home from our vacation in the North. we where always outnumbered , did fight in your home where you can POS/Dock up and still did go off the field with ok to good stats and having a lot of fun.

Chi'kote
Caldari
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.10.13 13:45:00 - [73]
 

I have yet to encounter a GK fleet, whether 2 or 10, that stood and fought an even battle. As the last one I was in went, you had 2 on 1, then 1 other joined to make it 2 on 2, and the one that could run ran like the wind back to the stargate and jumped, leaving his friend in a much more expensive ship to die.

You get a lot of your kills sniping or bombing people as they undock or gang attacks on 1 or 2 ratters who don't pay attention and get jumped. Not saying the kills don't count, just saying you don't engage in up front remotely equal fights. And I'm not complaining about you running from a 20 man station humping gang, I mean a real fair fight away from a gate or station. You'd be huge morons if you flew head on to a 20 man station humping gang. I'd rather die facing you guys 5 on 5 than live facing you in a 20 man station humping orgy. But when all you do is camp stations, only gang attack stupid targets, and cloak like a mo fo, you are dictating how your targets can respond.

And can we do away with the "Oh we come to your system when you have 30 blues and we have 5 of us....." Dude, you come to a place with stations and POS's. A hell of a lot of the people are there because they need a safe place to go AFK. If there are 30 blues in G95, at least half of them are there to dock up and go afk. Then add the "renters" who won't fight at all, the miners who don't have (or won't use) a combat ship, and you are left with a lot less than what you claim outnumber you. You know well and good that you aren't going into a 10:1 situation, or else you wouldn't go in the first place.

mkd0815
Caldari
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.10.13 14:47:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Chi'kote
I have yet to encounter a GK fleet, whether 2 or 10, that stood and fought an even battle.


just check the 3 combat links i just posted and you have 3 fights where we where severly outnumbered, agressed you and didnt run

to be honest i did never see a GRIEF Fleet engage even a single of our ships unless they have at least double ( mostly you try to go for at least 4 vs 1 numbers and fight from your own undock bay and with RR captital support but that did get less often since we killed that stupid carrier in front of G95 station with our mostly frig gang ) our numbers active in fleet and undocked. add to that the "random other renters" that will also engage if someone else is aggressive and it gets worse for us.

and its hard to fight you if you dont leave the undock .. so we snipe you there and bomb you there and kill you there but its not our choice to fight you there ... its yours. sniping and bombing are normal combat methods in eve and there is nothing wrong with them. just because you dont like them doesnt make them bad :-)

and you should never only count the 40 people in local as your force .. you have at least another 100 in the systems 1 jump out. and if we come into G95 with 7 people like sunday night mostly uncloaked after we ****d you nice in C-N we then get 65 hostile renters from all the renter alliances going for us .. incl 3 capitals for a frig/cruiser sized gang you already outnumber ~10 vs 1.

all you do here us telling stories about never getting a even fight ... its because YOU run on even ground. and most of the time half of your fleet is slow and gets killed. also at least half of the time we get you ratting your ships are flying in a fleet with outher around. if a single bomber uncloaks your guys start warping off and the 1 we point we kill and then you ***** around ist unfair going with 1 bomber against 2 drakes and a BS .. its not our fault the drakes warped off and we killed the BS

Chi'kote
Caldari
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.10.13 15:29:00 - [75]
 

Honestly my corp & I don't run out of G95 in part because the station games are stupid, as I said. And honestly its a chicken vs egg situation that will never end: Do you only attack them at station because that is where they fight or is that where they fight because you only decloak and attack people at the station." Doesn't really matter which happened first, that's just how it is in G95 now.

I also won't go by any battle links or combat stories I was not personally a part of, as they can easily be skewed by either side in whatever way they please. Sure, maybe in a fight one side has 15 guys on each KM and the other side has 5. Well, what if the 5 guy side had 3 logistics, or had 15 guys but they just didn't get on all the KMs. I speak only from my personal experiences because that is all I can know to be fact.

And I'll agree that you shouldn't just count blues in 1 system when you stop counting every blue in a system. Been through that convo before, won't bore the fine ladies and gents againWink

And as far as that carrier, I got no answer. No clue who he is or WTF he was doing. Got there for the last 20 seconds or so, just in time to see him way the hell off station and no one helping. If he were in my alliance, I'd be ranting up a storm for no support. As he wasn't, go complain about his alliance not helping out. We do what we can for the region as a whole, but it is not GRIEF's job to safe guard every pilot that does something stupid outside of our alliance.

I recommend if you want a different kind of combat, one that doesn't revolve around 30 man station huggers, go to a different system. That simple. If it isn't what you want to do, you could try the surrounding areas w/o a station. By not doing that, you basically admit to liking the way you do things, so don't try to tell us you don't like the station attacks and it is all you are able to do.

Valadeya uthanaras
Amarr
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.10.13 18:09:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Chi'kote
because the station games are stupid


I totally agree with you, but the problem is even if we are killing stuff that isnt on the station, most of the "renters" stay there and wait for us to show up

The problem with that is simply that as soon as we show up in an other system ..... it take less than 5 seconds for almost everythingYARRRR!! to be in a forcefield and start smackingCrying or Very sad

And beleive me we do go to pnq once in a while , but it usually involve them not undocking unless they have caps + 5 times our numbers (not complaining, just explainging why its pointless to go there)Confused

I will agree that sometimes,we are on even numbers, but 90% of these times you got station dock + mutiple capital ... Rolling Eyes

So yeah we do try to fight elsewhere than on the station , and beleive me when i say i prefer fitting far from it, its just that its the only place where something worth shooting at will be Confused

Valadeya

Mortuus
Minmatar
Divine Power.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.10.13 21:00:00 - [77]
 

Confirming that our t1 Cruiser, Assault Frigs, Ceptors, HICs, HACs, and t3 Cruisers all cloak outside the station!

I do love our renters though, I make a ton of ISK off their drops. It adds up fast =)

Anyway, we had a couple good fights, saw some comedy fits, and will continue to try to get you guys to engage off the station and away from your Capital RRs.

I think I will FRAPS the next fight to show people how it really goes down. It's pretty sad sometimes. Last night, a mighty BATTLE SKIFF undocks in the middle of the fight at the station, does he redock? NO! Apparently its a good time to go mine in CHA2, so off he warps...he died at the gate.

Wakahaka
Caldari
Serenity Ascension
On the Rocks
Posted - 2009.10.14 12:02:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: Wakahaka on 14/10/2009 12:03:16
Well, as it's been stated multiple times, there are over 1100 players in our Alliance. There are maybe 1/10th the amount of GK.

As any Alliance expands quickly, you will get people who are new to the game, new to PVP, new to being in low-sec (0.0).

Think of it as this -

Alliance = College (Massively recruits, new recruits, some plain idiots)

GK = Fraternity (much tighter knit crew, knows each other, works together well)

GK will ALWAYS have a tactical advantage over Grievance. There are more of us to go around, more inexperienced players to pick on, etc.

But, that's all you guys mention, you mention the specific battles where you get the moron Industrial pilot who's never been to 0.0 space, and got invited to the Alliance.

He has no clue, his only thought-process is "MUST GO MINE".

Why do we have such an abundance of decent ships and market? Because we have such a fleshed out variation of Corps in our alliance. We are not a PVP-only Alliance, which it seems you are (GK).

But, please do spin tails of epic battles against Indy pilots at gates, and your glorious battles while sitting cloaked outside of stations waiting for someone fitted incorrectly to undock so you can Smartbomb them.

Yes, you are the epitome of the Ultimate PVPer.












--------- My comments do not reflect that of Grievance Alliance, or their direction.

Taram Caldar
Caldari
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2009.10.14 13:18:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Wakahaka
Edited by: Wakahaka on 14/10/2009 12:03:16
Well, as it's been stated multiple times, there are over 1100 players in our Alliance. There are maybe 1/10th the amount of GK.

As any Alliance expands quickly, you will get people who are new to the game, new to PVP, new to being in low-sec (0.0).

Think of it as this -

Alliance = College (Massively recruits, new recruits, some plain idiots)

GK = Fraternity (much tighter knit crew, knows each other, works together well)

GK will ALWAYS have a tactical advantage over Grievance. There are more of us to go around, more inexperienced players to pick on, etc.

But, that's all you guys mention, you mention the specific battles where you get the moron Industrial pilot who's never been to 0.0 space, and got invited to the Alliance.

He has no clue, his only thought-process is "MUST GO MINE".

Why do we have such an abundance of decent ships and market? Because we have such a fleshed out variation of Corps in our alliance. We are not a PVP-only Alliance, which it seems you are (GK).

But, please do spin tails of epic battles against Indy pilots at gates, and your glorious battles while sitting cloaked outside of stations waiting for someone fitted incorrectly to undock so you can Smartbomb them.

Yes, you are the epitome of the Ultimate PVPer.

--------- My comments do not reflect that of Grievance Alliance, or their direction.


Having lived in 0.0 for a very large chunk of my EVE career both in PVP and in mixed PVP/Carebear alliances I have to say the members of Grievance in this thread are delusional.

I was in GK not too terribly long ago. At the time I was in GK, yes, there were plenty of times where an absolute carebear got ganked. There were also plenty of times where the renters, including grievance, would get a gang together and GK would kick the snot out of them.

What's interesting is that this theme repeats itself in every 0.0 alliance that isn't skilled @ PVP. Their excuse when a real PVP outfit comes calling is that the PVP'ers are "killing just the carebears" even though a very brief glance at the kb's involved will quickly disprove this delusional idea. GK, and other entities like them, doesn't just kill your carebears. They kill anything that they can. Obviously when your alliance undocks a 30-40 man fleet against a 5, 10, even 15 man gang they are not going to come give you a 'fair fight'. That would be epicly stupid.

So, to be fair, yes, GK is killing plenty of your carebears. But saying they don't fight is assinine as there are many strings of combat on both killboards to prove this an outright falsehood and prove that they do, in fact, engage your PVP fleets when they feel they have a reasonable chance of winning.

Simple fact:
GK, when they want to, keeps your home system of G95 (and the surrounding area) in lockdown around 75% of the day (with a very small number of pilots). If your alliance were even 1/4 as good as those of you posting claim they wouldn't be able to do that.


Grievance is nothing more than a renter alliance, which is fine. But saying that GK are lousy pvpers or 'just gankers' or 'only killing our carebears' is just stupid.

Chi'kote
Caldari
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.10.14 14:16:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Chi''kote on 14/10/2009 14:24:53
Originally by: Taram Caldar
Having lived in 0.0 for a very large chunk of my EVE career both in PVP and in mixed PVP/Carebear alliances I have to say the members of Grievance in this thread are delusional.

I was in GK not too terribly long ago. At the time I was in GK, yes, there were plenty of times where an absolute carebear got ganked. There were also plenty of times where the renters, including grievance, would get a gang together and GK would kick the snot out of them.

What's interesting is that this theme repeats itself in every 0.0 alliance that isn't skilled @ PVP. Their excuse when a real PVP outfit comes calling is that the PVP'ers are "killing just the carebears" even though a very brief glance at the kb's involved will quickly disprove this delusional idea. GK, and other entities like them, doesn't just kill your carebears. They kill anything that they can. Obviously when your alliance undocks a 30-40 man fleet against a 5, 10, even 15 man gang they are not going to come give you a 'fair fight'. That would be epicly stupid.

So, to be fair, yes, GK is killing plenty of your carebears. But saying they don't fight is assinine as there are many strings of combat on both killboards to prove this an outright falsehood and prove that they do, in fact, engage your PVP fleets when they feel they have a reasonable chance of winning.

Simple fact:
GK, when they want to, keeps your home system of G95 (and the surrounding area) in lockdown around 75% of the day (with a very small number of pilots). If your alliance were even 1/4 as good as those of you posting claim they wouldn't be able to do that.


Grievance is nothing more than a renter alliance, which is fine. But saying that GK are lousy pvpers or 'just gankers' or 'only killing our carebears' is just stupid.


GRIEF members here, for the most part, are not being dilusional. You think that because there are 3 types of people: those who will PVP, those who won't PVP, and those who have no business in PVP. You lump all 3 together, combine the results of all 3 in combat, and come up with "we are dilusional." No, there are PVP people here who can fight GK on equal or lesser grounds and come out on top. But when you mix in the few fights with these guys with the massive amounts of station camp kills and dumb ignant player kills, you come up with your current thoughts.

Also Taram, since you are NOT in GK anymore, you are NOT completely up to date. Since GRIEF has gotten better set up out here, I really don't think many of us run out of G95 and don't play station humper. You also don't know what kind of fleets and roams we currently run, which are significantly improved from the days when I remember you shooting at station huggers.

And please agree that there are idiots on both sides. Like your manticore pilot that took on a ceptor, and your hurricane pilot that warped into a belt with 2 BS, a few BC, a SB and a logistics, all PVP fit. Idiots are on all sidesWink

And finally, no one is saying GK aren't good PVPers. They have 1 tactic that they do VERY well. But since that tactic consists of cloaked fleets, they entirely dictate when and where they fight. Therefore, 99% of the time, they are attacking lesser forces that they know they can either easily defeat or easily retreat. The only time GK gets themselves into a situation they can't easily win or retreat from is when they get caught on a gate or someone gets one of their dumb pilots.

I'm not saying GK doesn't fight. they just cloak up and only fight at the most opportune times. Not saying that is a bad thing. it is a very sound tactic, and one that I personally would use over most. But there is no real defense to this tactic other than blob you, bait you or station hug. You dictate how we can respond, then complain about how fail we are for responding in the way you dictate.

Chi'kote
Caldari
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.10.14 14:22:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Chi''kote on 14/10/2009 14:25:56
Originally by: Taram Caldar
Originally by: Wakahaka

So, to be fair, yes, GK is killing plenty of your carebears. But saying they don't fight is assinine as there are many strings of combat on both killboards to prove this an outright falsehood and prove that they do, in fact, engage your PVP fleets when they feel they have a reasonable chance of winning.


And one more thing: as much as GK like to say how much at a disadvantage they are at coming to our territory, it is kinda, at least partially, bullsh*t. It is a hell of a lot easier to get kills when an organized fleet roams into an area of disorganized people doing their own thing. Until those at home can stop what their doing, get to whatever ships and supplies they need, and get organized with everyone else, the invading force has a HUGE advantage of already being organized, scouted the area, and have a plan. Especially considering you leave cloaked scouts all over the area. The invading force always has the upper hand in the beginning, and by the time the defending force can muster a defense, the invaders are usually starting to leave.

DeltaTeam
Amarr
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.10.14 14:48:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: DeltaTeam on 14/10/2009 14:48:27
Uhm, can you guys please keep it ingame? I dont really want this news to spread and make other people come to fountain and farm you instead of us SadSadSad

Also, while we are at it and you keep claiming how we never fight, lets plan some fight. Tomorrow 20:00 eve time in KVN, does that sound ok to you? I can ensure you we will be there YARRRR!!

Chi'kote
Caldari
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.10.14 15:18:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: DeltaTeam
Edited by: DeltaTeam on 14/10/2009 14:48:27
Uhm, can you guys please keep it ingame? I dont really want this news to spread and make other people come to fountain and farm you instead of us SadSadSad

Also, while we are at it and you keep claiming how we never fight, lets plan some fight. Tomorrow 20:00 eve time in KVN, does that sound ok to you? I can ensure you we will be there YARRRR!!


Damn you and your euro playtimes! That, or damn your odd US work times!!!! I swear I always miss the fun Crying or Very sad

inyreye
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.10.14 15:34:00 - [84]
 

guys they live in 0.0, I thought that automatically meant you were good at the game?

Uncle Dick
Gallente
0ne Percent.
Posted - 2009.10.14 16:09:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: inyreye
guys they live in 0.0, I thought that automatically meant you were good at the game?


It means they are good at something, playing the game wouldnt be my guess. I was just unaware of the man-love for systems policy. Maybe this is what happens when you become buddies with Goons.

Wakahaka
Caldari
Serenity Ascension
On the Rocks
Posted - 2009.10.14 16:46:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: inyreye
guys they live in 0.0, I thought that automatically meant you were good at the game?


No, it just means you're a good PvPer, according to some in this thread.

Chi'kote
Caldari
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.10.14 16:55:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: inyreye
guys they live in 0.0, I thought that automatically meant you were good at the game?


Living in 0.0 means, well, not much Confused Doesn't mean you can PVP, doesn't mean you can't. Doesn't mean you're not a carebear, doesn't mean you are. The only thing living in 0.0 means is you have to remember funky system names. Oh, and one day in the distant future you'll go to low-sec, forget about "rules", lock someone down on a gate in your ceptor and get gate gunned.

Nemulus
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.10.14 17:17:00 - [88]
 

Both Gk and Grief have a point but if both of u bothered to fight as much as u talk utter bull you'd both be good, til then Gk wins on sheer volume for the amount of spam they produce :).

Spamozoor ftw!


Rapide Noir
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.10.14 17:22:00 - [89]
 

Ok well I am probably going to get booted from my corp/alliance for posting this , but quite honestly I do not care anymore.

You Grievance people are a damn joke. You're on here talking about how you pvp and get rid of the reds in fountain and your **** is together. Well i call BULL**** on that. Here let me give you a little post from what you morons put in the fountain intel channel:

[20:15:47] Comida > why do we let the red into our system ?

^^ to answer this question its because you and your entire alliance are a bunch of ignorant moronic monkey's that have your heads so far up your own asses you undock Skiff's when theres a hostile fleet camping the station and fighting with the only pvp'ers in the area trying to fight the hostile fleet.

[16:52:16] Kai Eradinis > <b><url=showinfo:15729//1950952001>Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane</url></b> x2 FTW

^^ in the damn intel channel , are you serious? is this a joke? am I being trolled? Your people continously do this crap , the intel channel is for reporting hostiles , not bragging about the loot your worthless carebear ass just got.

The other day there was a report of 18 hostiles coming our way , it only got reported once , after the pvp'ing renters in fountain kept asking for intel on where they are and what they're in because we were trying to get a defense fleet up , we got zero responses from anyone. Come to find out it was a ZAF fleet of like 20 or so stealth bombers that we chased from c-n back down the pipe towards 75fa and we couldnt catch up with them (fast lil buggers they were). After this I was annoyed enough to get in my helios and fly the route they came from , know what I found? 23 people total scattered through out every single system from c-n to the original area they were reported from. How the **** do you lose a 20 man hostile gang with that many people in the systems and not get any intel on like where they are currently , numbers , ship types , anything!

On the subject of GK INC , I personally love these guys , and all of the people in my current alliance that fleet up for home defense agree im sure. The one time we tried to fight these guys away from the station and in c-n (where this is no station) , we went to lock down the g95 gate , which we were suceeding at , getting some losses , getting some kills , and we start noticing a few gate flashes , well low and behold what do we see? Grievance morons flying iteron mark 3's and mammoths and badgers right through the damn camp with hostiles right there!!!!! fighting us. And you jerk offs are flying industrials around.

Don't worry Grievance , you worthless douche bags arent the only horrible ones up there , look at event horizon , the only time they do anything is when they attempt to bait GK with a stupid drake pilot that never ever works. But keep up the good work Event Horizon , NO ONE ever suspects that drake is bait , and they will never fall for itRolling Eyes

To the GK inc peoples , i love you guys. mainly Disintegrator , he brought a tech 1 destroyer , a thrasher into g95 one night , SOLO , and shut down the entire system. I had tears in my eyes I was laughing so much , ecspecially since it was just one guy and myself that undocked to fight the guy , then he said he was in a thrasher in local and i just sat there laughing , wasnt worth the time of chasing down or atleast attempting to. You guys have been shutting down the systems and killing the carebears and i love you all for it. Please continue , even when we do actually get to shoot each other , its alot better than sitting there watching the carebears whine or brag about **** in the intel channels.

Back to Grievance , I will give a few members of your alliance credit , when we get defense fleets going , some of em x up and get in fleet. Now about two thirds of your ppl that actually get in the defense gang , we cant find once the fight starts or once we start to move to ingage the hostiles. >>>> Next Post.

Rapide Noir
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.10.14 17:28:00 - [90]
 

Which is why we are constantly having to fight you guys with in dock range , cause Fleet will say 17 , but when given the order to meet outside of station and align to whereever , only 7 ppl are out there. Where are those other 10 ppl? Why aren't they out here getting ready to fight alongside us and defend the space they live in? Because theyre in grievance. The only time you morons ever even get on a killmail in fountain is because some other alliances fleet is getting/recieving the kills and doing all the work , you guys happen to live just long enough to take one shot and get your name on the kill.

If all of us actually worked together like we should , and we all had our **** together like you claim , then GK would stop showing up because we would be able to treat them like Hydra Alliance was treated when they got ass ****d. Instead , they continue to come to g95 and the surrounding area , and why do they come? Because it guarantees them laughs and fun times at the expense of your ignorance.

I am sorry , let me write that paragraph again , If Grievance Alliance had their **** together like you are claiming , youre alliance size of 1000+ members would seriously beat the living crap out of GK and most other hostiles coming around here. Then again how many of your members actually get out there and try to fight the hostiles?


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