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VonZeppelin
Amarr
Nictus Astartes
Talos Coalition
Posted - 2009.10.02 01:26:00 - [31]
 

Good evening G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E Alliance members,

Your reply was well , Chi'kote. G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E lives together with Event Horizon in PNQY-Y.

VonZeppelin
IMPERIUM.
Alliance Diplomat

Gingawa
Caldari
Platinum Dragons
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.10.02 10:40:00 - [32]
 

We mainly live out of G95F-H, not PNQY-Y. But hey, I guess we're around there too. Only a 10 jump trip.

Looking forward to IMPERIUM's raids, VonZeppelin ;)

See you on the battlefield!

Murrior
Amarr
Thundercats
B O R G
Posted - 2009.10.02 11:09:00 - [33]
 

its

c u on teh battelfieldYARRRR!!~~~

^^

VonZeppelin
Amarr
Nictus Astartes
Talos Coalition
Posted - 2009.10.02 17:59:00 - [34]
 

Good morning Gingawa ,

Imperium. is looking forward to visiting you in G95F-H. Please , bring the equal amount of ships to fight us i.e. 22 (Imperium.) pilots versus 30 (G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E) pilots, is considered "equal" in terms of Aggressor versus Defender.

VonZeppelin
IMPERIUM.
Alliance Diplomat

Jslice
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.10.02 21:51:00 - [35]
 

HOLY SHIZ that is some of the worst smack I have ever seen. Quit now for the love of god.

Gingawa
Caldari
Platinum Dragons
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.10.05 10:36:00 - [36]
 

Haha, yeah. I ain't doing no smacktalking here! :)

AthlonJedi
Gallente
RazorBlade Smile Inc.
Posted - 2009.10.08 02:40:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: AthlonJedi on 08/10/2009 02:58:20
Edited by: AthlonJedi on 08/10/2009 02:57:25
Edited by: AthlonJedi on 08/10/2009 02:42:50
Well, you people are some of the dumbest examples of the human race to believe we intenionaly harbor isk farmers. O wait thats right, thats waht happens when someone that knows how to run an alliance creates one that is acculy stable enough to keep growing ( and has more members than most posting on this thread save SOT and GOONS I might add ) in less than 5 months time.

Seems to me that most here are fail at recruiting and vetting the corps / corp members they are lucky enough to pick up. Thats right we have grown to 1101 members in less than 6 months, have soveriegnty in fountain ( not something PL grants to just anyone anymore ) and continue to grow.

Thats not to say we havent had our share of isk farming corps join us, HOWEVER , when these corps are confirmed as such, they are immediatly removed from the alliance. Just ask the ceos of Evonauts, Thunderstrike swords, Caldari pest control,and many other corps with a history in this alliance of less than one month.

So what I sugest is that you people grow up and get over your eve emo jealousy fit and learn how to properly run your alliances or corps .

And BTW, most of the other renters in fountain are to affraid to lose thier pretty ships to form up and fight anyone with the exception of a few that DO fly with us, dont believe me? http://grief.adabraxix.net/killboard speaks volumes about that idiotic notion.

AthlonJedi
G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E Founder and Executor

Sappho Lesbos
Caldari
League of Gentlemen
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2009.10.08 03:01:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Sappho *****s on 08/10/2009 03:01:38
In other words, you're some kind of awful, nerfed, renter version of aggressionPERIOD.

AthlonJedi
Gallente
RazorBlade Smile Inc.
Posted - 2009.10.08 03:52:00 - [39]
 

funny, i dont remember ever seeing you or your alliance in fountain. Too afraid to come that far away from empire?

Sappho Lesbos
Caldari
League of Gentlemen
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2009.10.08 04:05:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: AthlonJedi
funny, i dont remember ever seeing you or your alliance in fountain. Too afraid to come that far away from empire?


Funny, I don't recall being in an alliance. If I was, I doubt I'd be 1337 enough to be a G95 resident.

I'd rather live in Altrolpia anyways.

AthlonJedi
Gallente
RazorBlade Smile Inc.
Posted - 2009.10.08 04:38:00 - [41]
 

What part of us having sovereignty dont you understand? The US or the SOVERIEGNTY.

Maybe this is too adult of a puzzle for your little eve emo brain to comprehend.

we dont live in G95, if you used the tools that ccp gave you ( I.E. the MAP ) you would have less of a hard time with these things. I know its hard to hit f-10 and figure out how to see soveriegnty on the map but Im sure if you concentrate and try real hard youll figure it out. Dont worry, Ill wait................

Sappho Lesbos
Caldari
League of Gentlemen
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2009.10.08 04:56:00 - [42]
 

Thanks for waiting! The two systems you rent simply means you pay an even bigger rent check to your spacelord than most of your fellow renters.

In regards to rage argument #2:
Originally by: Gingawa
We mainly live out of G95F-H, not PNQY-Y


'nuff said?

Also, I have an important message concerning your health!

May I suggest toning down the rage and making some lifestyle adjustments? The fact that you have plenty of ISK farmers to take care of your rent is an excellent stress reducing step, but this is only a start. Stroke is a serious concern no matter your age.




Vemille Kechov
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.10.08 05:11:00 - [43]
 

This thread is now about PNQY-Y and the need to change the station name back to "and the brain brain brain brain brain brain brain brain brain brain brain brain brain..."

AthlonJedi
Gallente
RazorBlade Smile Inc.
Posted - 2009.10.08 11:46:00 - [44]
 

for your records, we dont pay anything for the systems we have Soveriegnty in, once again a case of a sorely mis-informed individual attacking something he does not understand, maybe next time you should acculy do some reasearch before you go pointing fingers.

And oh wait soon there will be another purple dot on the map in that area with our name on it.

Unless you are in PL and are responsable for the space we DO rent, what would you know of our arrangements with them ?so , as I said before, get over your eve emo jealosy and learn how to run your corp.

ServantOfMask
Minmatar
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.08 11:49:00 - [45]
 

seconded

Beer hall should be in Catch.

with a name like Pinky you can have real fun...


KrakizBad
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.10.08 14:11:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: KrakizBad on 08/10/2009 14:11:43
Originally by: AthlonJedi
for your records, we dont pay anything for the systems we have Soveriegnty in,


Im pretty sure man love is a form a payment. And clearly that 1100 man allaince you have "created" is uber and we wil all be hearing more about it.

Maybe before you come to CAOD and try and smack you should get eff above like 30% or something.

Chance of enemy survival: 92.59% clearly a person we should all fear. Here is a tip Iterons arent good pvp ships.

Chi'kote
Caldari
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.10.08 14:54:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: KrakizBad
Edited by: KrakizBad on 08/10/2009 14:11:43
Originally by: AthlonJedi
for your records, we dont pay anything for the systems we have Soveriegnty in,


Im pretty sure man love is a form a payment. And clearly that 1100 man allaince you have "created" is uber and we wil all be hearing more about it.

Maybe before you come to CAOD and try and smack you should get eff above like 30% or something.

Chance of enemy survival: 92.59% clearly a person we should all fear. Here is a tip Iterons arent good pvp ships.


Ok, if you want to smack talk, at least don't use arguements and stats with as many holes as swiss cheese. If you don't include all the barge and hauler kills (which you were dumb enough to mention might I add, they're not PVP kills) in high sec on the corps that were too lazy/carebearish to move to 0.0, you're "30%" and "92.49%" quoted are a wee bit better.

Taram Caldar
Caldari
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2009.10.08 15:51:00 - [48]
 

Wait... Grievance is talking about PVP stats?
Seriously?

I almost choked on my soda I laughed so hard.

KrakizBad
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.10.08 16:06:00 - [49]
 

I dont think you have a clue what i was talking about but felt the need to try and look smart and defend your friend. Nice effort just came up a little short in the well everything.

But clearly your a expert at 0.0 and pvp, and your clearly superior in pvp so ill bow to your overwhelming knowledge on this subjuect.

Chance of enemy survival: 83.33%
Pilot Efficiency (ISK): 13.89%

Atleast your stats are better then your friends Neutral

Chi'kote
Caldari
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.10.08 17:44:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: KrakizBad
I dont think you have a clue what i was talking about but felt the need to try and look smart and defend your friend. Nice effort just came up a little short in the well everything.

But clearly your a expert at 0.0 and pvp, and your clearly superior in pvp so ill bow to your overwhelming knowledge on this subjuect.

Chance of enemy survival: 83.33%
Pilot Efficiency (ISK): 13.89%

Atleast your stats are better then your friends Neutral


Well I never claimed to be an expert at PVP (I certainly am not). Nor do I claim to PVP that much (at least not nearly as much as I'd like). I'm not going to take the time to go remove the certain high-sec corps from our stats, but here are some stats based on recent activity (because if its not recent, it doesn't really matter imo):

Personal - Chance enemy survives 33.33%
Pilot efficiencey (isk) 70%
Corp - Efficiency 50.67%
Alliance - Efficiency 46.99% (including all the barge and hauler kills that don't count as PVP in my mind)

While I don't claim that to be exemplary, It is certianly far better than what you posted.

Anub1s
Amarr
E-x7 Network
The Last Brigade
Posted - 2009.10.09 21:13:00 - [51]
 

I Assure you that we are not a new Knights of Southerncross (KoS).
In fact we have many good pvp pilots. Cya in battle :p

Taram Caldar
Caldari
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2009.10.11 15:35:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Taram Caldar on 11/10/2009 15:44:09
Originally by: Anub1s
I Assure you that we are not a new Knights of Southerncross (KoS).
In fact we have many good pvp pilots. Cya in battle :p



I have to call BS.
I was recently in fountain as a member of GK, a PVP corporation with less than 50 active pilots, for a couple months on a break from doing mercenary work with Noir.

In the time I was in GK I witnessed, and participated in, Grievance and other PL renters being handed their asses on a daily basis by GK. In fact I witnessed Grievance pilots whining on PL's forums to "do something about GK because we can't do anything in G95 because they have us camped in"

Mind you: Most GK gangs never get bigger than 10 or 15 guys whereas Grievance is a 1000+ member alliance living in an area of space with several other 400+ member alliances including Event Horizon and Eternus Imperium alliance.

So Grievance, which supposedly has "Many good PVP Pilots" was camped in, most nights, by a corp with 50 or so active pilots on it's roster.

In fact, Grievance has so many 'good pvp pilots' that they managed a whopping 21% efficiency against a corporation less than 1/10th their size:
http://gkkb.dante.se/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=617

No offense Anub1s... I normally don't post in CAOD but Grievance claiming to be far more than what it is (Just another mostly carebear renter alliance that couldn't hold its own space if it weren't paying PL for it) just kind of irritated me.

Xarti
Caldari
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2009.10.11 16:10:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Taram Caldar
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 11/10/2009 15:44:09
Originally by: Anub1s
I Assure you that we are not a new Knights of Southerncross (KoS).
In fact we have many good pvp pilots. Cya in battle :p



I have to call BS.
I was recently in fountain as a member of GK, a PVP corporation with less than 50 active pilots, for a couple months on a break from doing mercenary work with Noir.

In the time I was in GK I witnessed, and participated in, Grievance and other PL renters being handed their asses on a daily basis by GK. In fact I witnessed Grievance pilots whining on PL's forums to "do something about GK because we can't do anything in G95 because they have us camped in"

Mind you: Most GK gangs never get bigger than 10 or 15 guys whereas Grievance is a 1000+ member alliance living in an area of space with several other 400+ member alliances including Event Horizon and Eternus Imperium alliance.

So Grievance, which supposedly has "Many good PVP Pilots" was camped in, most nights, by a corp with 50 or so active pilots on it's roster.

In fact, Grievance has so many 'good pvp pilots' that they managed a whopping 21% efficiency against a corporation less than 1/10th their size:
http://gkkb.dante.se/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=617

No offense Anub1s... I normally don't post in CAOD but Grievance claiming to be far more than what it is (Just another mostly carebear renter alliance that couldn't hold its own space if it weren't paying PL for it) just kind of irritated me.


Well fighting like GK does, sitting cloaked outside stations killing undocking industry players, sure, that is great pvp

Taram Caldar
Caldari
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2009.10.11 18:17:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Xarti
Originally by: Taram Caldar
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 11/10/2009 15:44:09
Originally by: Anub1s
I Assure you that we are not a new Knights of Southerncross (KoS).
In fact we have many good pvp pilots. Cya in battle :p



I have to call BS.
I was recently in fountain as a member of GK, a PVP corporation with less than 50 active pilots, for a couple months on a break from doing mercenary work with Noir.

In the time I was in GK I witnessed, and participated in, Grievance and other PL renters being handed their asses on a daily basis by GK. In fact I witnessed Grievance pilots whining on PL's forums to "do something about GK because we can't do anything in G95 because they have us camped in"

Mind you: Most GK gangs never get bigger than 10 or 15 guys whereas Grievance is a 1000+ member alliance living in an area of space with several other 400+ member alliances including Event Horizon and Eternus Imperium alliance.

So Grievance, which supposedly has "Many good PVP Pilots" was camped in, most nights, by a corp with 50 or so active pilots on it's roster.

In fact, Grievance has so many 'good pvp pilots' that they managed a whopping 21% efficiency against a corporation less than 1/10th their size:
http://gkkb.dante.se/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=617

No offense Anub1s... I normally don't post in CAOD but Grievance claiming to be far more than what it is (Just another mostly carebear renter alliance that couldn't hold its own space if it weren't paying PL for it) just kind of irritated me.


Well fighting like GK does, sitting cloaked outside stations killing undocking industry players, sure, that is great pvp


One has only to look at your losses to see just how stupid that comment is :)

mkd0815
Caldari
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.10.12 06:58:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: mkd0815 on 12/10/2009 07:01:22
Edited by: mkd0815 on 12/10/2009 07:01:00
Originally by: Chi'kote
....but here are some stats based on recent activity (because if its not recent, it doesn't really matter imo):

Personal - Chance enemy survives 33.33%
Pilot efficiencey (isk) 70%
Corp - Efficiency 50.67%
Alliance - Efficiency 46.99% (including all the barge and hauler kills that don't count as PVP in my mind)
.


the reason fo that was that GK was on vacation fight in the north for a week ...

and that a few new renter alliances/corps moved in so you split your losses between your BLUES on the KB stats but each of you counts all kills full (i know everybody does that. and its ok to do so IF you understand why your Corps stats go up on your KB. its not better PvP skills ... just Statistics )

and to be perfectly honest we respect E.I.A. ( another renter alliance but only 1/5 th the size ) a lot more because they do most of the fighting while you mostly undock AFTER the fight and smack in local how everbody is running away from you

Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
Posted - 2009.10.12 19:31:00 - [56]
 

Hey, I think I can post in here now...

Hey G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E...how is ThCEO doing?

AthlonJedi
Gallente
RazorBlade Smile Inc.
Posted - 2009.10.12 19:32:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: AthlonJedi on 12/10/2009 19:44:43
Edited by: AthlonJedi on 12/10/2009 19:40:46
Another thing you fail to mention is just how many times we have killed you. And btw if all you do is sit cloaked waiting to kill industrials like you do, you cant claim to be pvp pilots. Everyone in fountain knows what happens when you face even less numbers than your fleet that fly ships that can acculy fight back.

Typical fight with GK goes like this.

GK comes into the system with thier stealth bombers and recons and hacs, Then proceed to cloak and warp to a gate, belt or the station. Then sit and wait for the happless indy pilot to undock , jump into system or go to said belt. once this happens GK decloaks, launched thier bombs and recloaks.

in the mean time once a blue fleet has been formed, the defending blues either A. have to wait around for you to decloak. or B. have to chase you around because the minute GK encounters ships that will kill them, they are off and running away, talking smack all the while.

SO, as you can see, once someone acculy shows up that will kill you, you smack and run.

BTW, ambushing indy ships and running away is far from pvp, its simply shooting things that cant shoot back.

also , look at the new killboard at http://griefkb.griefwatch.net and tell me how many GK are now on it 8)

including this one:
http://griefkb.griefwatch.net/?p=pilot&pilot=mkd0815
OH WAIT! That would be you wouldnt it?

jrmj22
Gallente
The Freelancer's Mining Cartel
Posted - 2009.10.12 19:56:00 - [58]
 

As a former renter in EIA...I can confirm AthlonJedi's statements.

GK only pick the easy fights they can gank and then cloak back up. This is a legitimate form of PVP but pretty boring and nothing to brag about.

When my corp left EIA we shot renters for a few days and decided to leave after we became bored of how easy it was.

Fountain renters rat and mine in belts with neutrals in system and they don't watch intel channels.

For pilots wanting carebear tears and smacktalk...Fountain is the place for you!

Vahn Seiro
Gallente
ANZAC ALLIANCE
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.12 20:01:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Vahn Seiro on 12/10/2009 20:03:27
It's a literal "fountain" of carebear tears

Lookie, i mades a pun!

(Oh and not only will they rat and mine in system with 5+ neutrals, they will do it in battleships with no drones, and rarely will they even shoot back. lambs to slaughter in the most literal of sense.)

Wilson Cole
Minmatar
The Freelancer's Mining Cartel
Camorra Mortale
Posted - 2009.10.12 20:03:00 - [60]
 

This thread amuses me.

Comparing KB's its fairly obvious who sucks. Having flown as both a renter and a belligerent in Fountain, both with and against Grievance I can pretty much break the trouble down to this:

Everyone I've seen in GK is competent and while a similar number of pilots in Grief have functioning brains its a much lower percentage on the whole as grief is like 10-20 times larger than GK.

GK does it the way you should do things - they are hugely outnumbered, living in a region that is without exception hostile to them. Of course they will use guerrilla tactics and stealth ships, which seems to be your only complaint - that they wont stand and give you a straight fight when they are outnumbered 10-1. Maybe you should start adapting to their tactics if you want greater success.

The problem is 80% of renters take absolutely no precautions to secure their own survival. Ratting with reds in local, not watching intel, ratting in a BS un-aligned and a million other rules which should be sacred to anyone living in 0.0 and possessing half a brain. Until grief and every other renter corp gets their **** together a handful of skilled pilots with a plan, like GK, will continue to **** their collective faces.


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