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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2009.09.24 18:11:00 - [31]
 

Poor Linux. Listed simply as "other".

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2009.09.24 18:26:00 - [32]
 

A question to Windows 7 users, what is the minimum version required to run Eve? Does eve take advantage of (I think) DirectX 11? Is the upgrade worth while for someone still on XP and in a student financial situation or can you still be on XP and not really notice anything?

Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
Posted - 2009.09.24 18:36:00 - [33]
 

There are still WinXP users not on SP2? Shocked What is wrong with you people? Maybe 0.4% of the EVE user base but probably far more virus-ridden than the rest.

Also, does "other" include anything besides us Wine users, or is it just "stuff we didn't feel like breaking out"?

Javier Giskard
Posted - 2009.09.24 18:48:00 - [34]
 

Jacob mei: I'm running windows 7 RC1 which is free until late 2010 (august i think) and while EVE doesn't take advantage of directX 11, the OS really quite nice. It's what vista should have been, imho.

Cheesestick Charlie
Posted - 2009.09.24 18:59:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Originally by: Jainia Soltella
Is this why the SiSi Mac client is broken?
.

The new browser is the most likely cause for SiSi not supporting Mac at present. Chrome doesn't run on MacOS and since the new browser basically is Chrome, a bit of work is needed to get it to cooperate.
But I assume that'll be fixed by the time dominion comes out.


Yea, I'm SURE that's gonna happen. The more likely scenario is that Mac gets the old IGB, and will the the new one Soon.

/bitter

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2009.09.24 19:12:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Evilan Altana
Will it still be possible to run it on service pack 1 if the browser is never used?

I currently only updated to service pack 1 on a computer I use occasionly when I'm away, and I really am only on for skill changing with it.
We are going to softload the required library so the client should work but the browser will not work.

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2009.09.24 19:18:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Titus Vulso
CCP Explorer, how many of those Windows users would you estimate are actually wine users? Do you have any way to find this out and have you thought about doing so?
We don't know and I don't know of any easy way to find out.

Keiko Kobayashi
Amarr
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.24 19:20:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Cheesestick Charlie
The new browser is the most likely cause for SiSi not supporting Mac at present. Chrome doesn't run on MacOS and since the new browser basically is Chrome, a bit of work is needed to get it to cooperate.
But I assume that'll be fixed by the time dominion comes out.


Yea, I'm SURE that's gonna happen. The more likely scenario is that Mac gets the old IGB, and will the the new one Soon.

/bitter


Chrome is Webkit-based, and Webkit is originally developed for Mac OS X (after branching out from the Linux Konqueror browser). So I don’t think it will be too much trouble to port the Chrome-specific code back to Mac OS X, if that has not already mostly been done by Google & co. Also consider that that it could very well be that most of the Windows-specific code is in the UI, and as EVE will have their own custom UI anyway, that would then not need to be ported…

Why they picked Chromium and not just Webkit in the first place, I do not know :).

~Laurens

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2009.09.24 19:28:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Casiella Truza
Also, does "other" include anything besides us Wine users, or is it just "stuff we didn't feel like breaking out"?
It all depends on how Wine identifies itself. What is returned when the Python function os.sys.getwindowsversion() and the Windows function GetVersionEx(...) are called from within Wine?

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2009.09.24 19:47:00 - [40]
 

In EVE Online: Dominion we are also upgrading the DirectX SDK in EVE from the AUG 2007 version we currently use to the MAR 2009 version.

Khalen Veriz
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:08:00 - [41]
 

Sweet I think I'll roll over my main OS to Win 7, any chance of DX10 or even DX11 sometime in the forseeable future?

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:19:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Javier Giskard
Jacob mei: I'm running windows 7 RC1 which is free until late 2010 (august i think) and while EVE doesn't take advantage of directX 11, the OS really quite nice. It's what vista should have been, imho.


Does Microsoft office 2003 still work on Win 7 or no?

Citrute
The High and Mighty
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:53:00 - [43]
 

Chromium
\0/

That is all.

Nova Lux
Gallente
TalCorp Enterprises
TalCorp United Federation
Posted - 2009.09.24 21:03:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
In EVE Online: Dominion we are also upgrading the DirectX SDK in EVE from the AUG 2007 version we currently use to the MAR 2009 version.



Oooo!

Maybe we can have AA & Bloom without using outside tools!?

Here's hoping.

Alexander Knott
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.24 21:20:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Salpad
It wasn't a huge ransom, in the grand scheme of things, but nevertheless...
Depending on where you live, vendors are required to offer hardware without any version of Windows at a discount (though they almost never advertise this fact). You can go that route and then just install Windows 7, which is quite nice.

Ambein Flambein
352 Industries
Posted - 2009.09.24 21:25:00 - [46]
 

will eve support quad core processors with this expansion?

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.09.24 22:23:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Javier Giskard
Jacob mei: I'm running windows 7 RC1 which is free until late 2010 (august i think) and while EVE doesn't take advantage of directX 11, the OS really quite nice. It's what vista should have been, imho.


Does Microsoft office 2003 still work on Win 7 or no?


Does Minesweeper still work on Windows 7?

Hachi Ironfist
Gallente
Rubbish and Garbage Removal
Atlas.
Posted - 2009.09.24 22:44:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
In EVE Online: Dominion we are also upgrading the DirectX SDK in EVE from the AUG 2007 version we currently use to the MAR 2009 version.


What improvements does that bring us ?

And as someone already stated... any news on DX11 ?

Syekuda
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2009.09.25 00:13:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
In EVE Online: Dominion we are also upgrading the DirectX SDK in EVE from the AUG 2007 version we currently use to the MAR 2009 version.


The difference ? I ain't a programmer so I don't know. More performance I guess Neutral

Miraqu
Caldari
Posted - 2009.09.25 07:00:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
It all depends on how Wine identifies itself. What is returned when the Python function os.sys.getwindowsversion() and the Windows function GetVersionEx(...) are called from within Wine?


It identifies as the windows-version selected in wineconf. That won't change since most programs just refuse to work if the ID is not Windows.

A rather sure way would be to read the registry for HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Wine

this key doesn't exist else.

Washell Olivaw
Posted - 2009.09.25 11:48:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 25/09/2009 15:41:21
Originally by: Cathrine Kenchov
Originally by:
Microsoft has announced Windows 7's general retail availability on 22 October but already about 8.8% of our Windows users use Windows 7


Heh. Cool


Release Candidate, perfectly legal. Downloads/keys no longer available now. It will expire June 1st 2010, though it will start shutting down every 2 hours March 1st, 2010.

To the DX11 questions: try buying a videocard which supports it. When you realize they're not on the market yet, start asking DX10.1 questions. In addition, both ATI and nVidia initial lineups for a new DX version tended to be underachievers and bad value for money. Shop smart.

Correction: just checked and saw ATI released their DX11 cards 2 days ago.

Washell Olivaw
Posted - 2009.09.25 12:02:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Cadde
Also, i can't help but think this dev blog is just CCP helping Micro$oft advertise Windows 7. The thing that bothers me about Win 7 is that they are trying to sell you an empty shell and then push "addons" on you that cost extra $$$.


Vista was labelled to bloated, Windows 7 is an empty shell... going to have to petition you for a name change to Goldilocks. It's not advertising, it's informing current and future windows 7 users, who have posted this question many times.

Originally by: Cadde
EDIT: Just wait until Lunix* start going mainsteam because more and more people get fed up with the MS BS. Will CCP support Lunix* once again when that happens? It's just a matter of time me thinks...


LUnix is a Commodore 64 unix based OS, CCP has never supported it and never will. Renewed support for linux? Not as long WINE does the job.

Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Eclats de verre
Posted - 2009.09.25 12:29:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
In EVE Online: Dominion we are also upgrading the DirectX SDK in EVE from the AUG 2007 version we currently use to the MAR 2009 version.


Will this affect people using low end integrated graphics (which are enough for skills, market, science & industry, not actually fighting) such as those in the asus eeepc (intel GMA 950)?
Will it still work properly?

Blue Harrier
Gallente
Posted - 2009.09.25 12:44:00 - [54]
 

Quote:
Does Microsoft office 2003 still work on Win 7 or no?



Answer; Yes, very well, including Outlook which you can use instead of downloading Windows Live Mail.

Regards, BH

Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
Posted - 2009.09.25 13:00:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Bagehi
Poor Linux. Listed simply as "other".


For the most part Wine users will show up as WinXP but can be set as any version of Windoze. So, Linux will be spread across all of the chart.


Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
Posted - 2009.09.25 14:20:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Hachi Ironfist

And as someone already stated... any news on DX11 ?
EVE isn't even supporting DX10 yet.

Janice Jankowski
Posted - 2009.09.25 15:11:00 - [57]
 

More people play eve on an unreleased OS than on a mac -hahaha

Sfynx
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.09.25 15:47:00 - [58]
 

Win7 has been released, just not the shiny box + DVD for the general public... TechNet/MSDN/MSDNAA users have it for more than a month already, so you can count those also :P

Illwill Jill
Gallente
For a fistful of Veldspar
Posted - 2009.09.25 16:55:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai
Originally by: Hachi Ironfist

And as someone already stated... any news on DX11 ?
EVE isn't even supporting DX10 yet.

DX9 is quite capable. The major differences between DX9 and DX10/11 isn't what you can do, but how you do it, and how fast.

Just because something supports DX10 doesn't mean it has to look better than a DX9 version.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.09.25 17:19:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Keiko Kobayashi
Chrome is Webkit-based, and Webkit is originally developed for Mac OS X (after branching out from the Linux Konqueror browser). So I don’t think it will be too much trouble to port the Chrome-specific code back to Mac OS X, if that has not already mostly been done by Google & co.
Yes, but that leaves the "tiny" problem of calling OSX-native code from within a windows executable translated through cider/wine.

I.e. they're not going to do it that way. Neutral


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