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Hyperforce99
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.09.19 21:27:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 19/09/2009 21:28:27
Originally by: baltec1
CCP Eris Discordia deserves a beer from every player!


Thats cruel man Neutral

You'd kill her with Alcohol poisening.
Imagine having to drink 300.000 beers... Shocked

Doomed Predator
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.09.19 21:29:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Andra Zeit
Originally by: Malcanis

Just pay the 11% then.


CCP helps nobody with this. Some customers are ****ed off .. thats all.
So.. there is no reason to do this. Only to **** some people oh their knies.. not more, not less...

Only lame ass carebears are ****ed off. ''Oh no, my precious isk/per hour ratio has been dented by a few percent.'' Just give me your stuff and ragequit while you're still upset.

Andra Zeit
Posted - 2009.09.19 21:36:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Doomed Predator

Only lame ass carebears are ****ed off. ''Oh no, my precious isk/per hour ratio has been dented by a few percent.'' Just give me your stuff and ragequit while you're still upset.

Exact. Waste ISK for nothing.. without any sense.
Thats why I'm upset.

AdmiralJohn
Gallente
Origin of Sanshaa
Posted - 2009.09.19 21:40:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Andra Zeit
Originally by: Doomed Predator

Only lame ass carebears are ****ed off. ''Oh no, my precious isk/per hour ratio has been dented by a few percent.'' Just give me your stuff and ragequit while you're still upset.

Exact. Waste ISK for nothing.. without any sense.
Thats why I'm upset.


How about you join a real corp and have it count for something, in that case.

Gideon Kross
Caldari
Kross Industries Ltd
Posted - 2009.09.19 21:44:00 - [95]
 

I don't think the tax will bother most, honestly.

For those that are Hot about the idea of Wardeccing an NPC starter corp... There's an aspect that you haven't considered.

Sure, you'd have the Target Rich Environment of your wet dreams... But what happens when all of those "n00bs" fleet up and cost you billions over the course of days?

I don't think it'd be a hornet's nest I'd want to poke with a stick.

... Just say'n.

Doomed Predator
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.09.19 21:46:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Andra Zeit
Originally by: Doomed Predator

Only lame ass carebears are ****ed off. ''Oh no, my precious isk/per hour ratio has been dented by a few percent.'' Just give me your stuff and ragequit while you're still upset.

Exact. Waste ISK for nothing.. without any sense.
Thats why I'm upset.

The change has been way overdo. Hope CCP will have the balls and not cave in to carebear whining. You guys have only mild annoyances which are ninja salvagers(who do it for the tears,not the isk) and soon(hopefully) a minor tax. Adapt or die and all that jazz.



P.S.: Still want your stuff though

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2009.09.19 21:47:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Haakelen
We're in agreement! Make it a 25% tax, and patch wardec avoidance loopholes. Voila.

Well.... The whole reason for this forum is to help CCP refine and perfect their game mechanics changes, isn't it?

Twisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted Evil


Make creating a corp cost 50 million isk innit.

Andra Zeit
Posted - 2009.09.19 21:47:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: AdmiralJohn

How about you join a real corp and have it count for something, in that case.

I was in 3 corps. At the beginning.. they were mission running corps. After some weeks they joinded aliances to go to 0.0. And thats not I want.

Andra Zeit
Posted - 2009.09.19 21:52:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Doomed Predator
Adapt or die and all that jazz.


Adapt or leave EvE ;) To die is not possible.
"Adapt or die" and "sandbox" is only bul**** in some peoples wet dreams.

Junko Togawa
Caldari
Posted - 2009.09.19 21:58:00 - [100]
 

Don't think of it as a 'Carebear Empire Tax'. Think of it as a 'Grief The Griefers Tax'. Go out and run missions and think of all the basement-dwelling fail-at-lifers who emorage every time they see another pimp CNR/Golem rolling out to print phat ISK into its owner's wallet. And smile. ugh

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.19 21:58:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Andra Zeit
Originally by: Doomed Predator
Adapt or die and all that jazz.


Adapt or leave EvE ;) To die is not possible.
"Adapt or die" and "sandbox" is only bul**** in some peoples wet dreams.

If you unsubscribe from EVE, a knife gores out of your monitor into your face.

There, now Adapt, Or Die.

Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
Posted - 2009.09.19 21:59:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Hyperforce99
Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 19/09/2009 21:28:27
Originally by: baltec1
CCP Eris Discordia deserves a beer from every player!


Thats cruel man Neutral

You'd kill her with Alcohol poisening.
Imagine having to drink 300.000 beers... Shocked


There was a time when I proposed the idea that the players invested 1dollar each (300k dollar) and bought a beer fountain at the CCP HQ in Icelandd...

I still think the idea deserves some credit! Very Happy


Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2009.09.19 22:00:00 - [103]
 

Edited by: Shadowsword on 19/09/2009 22:01:36
Looks like I won't be doing much work done when Dominion come out. I'll be too busy reading the forums and laughing my butt off at the whines. Laughing


Originally by: Andra Zeit
Originally by: Doomed Predator

Only lame ass carebears are ****ed off. ''Oh no, my precious isk/per hour ratio has been dented by a few percent.'' Just give me your stuff and ragequit while you're still upset.

Exact. Waste ISK for nothing.. without any sense.
Thats why I'm upset.


Create your own corp. Set taxes at 0. Problem solved.

annoing
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2009.09.19 22:05:00 - [104]
 

Its not so much the tax, but I have begun to believe that CCP Eris Discordia and ccp are ******* idiots.

Go on ccp, tell me how this is a great big sandbox and we can play the game in any way we please .... as long as you are part of a player owned corp that is.
Sure, the tax will hurt the alts who npc but big ******** deal about that. You shouldnt try to force the player base into something they may not want to do, and making them join an player corp is just that.

Everyone wants something different from this game, everyone. Some want to mine, some want to pvp, some want to be industrialists etc ... so who are you to tell them how to play this game? You, the player, who thinks you should force everyone to play it your way should go and sucks a donkeys ****, its got **** all to do with you. Its their dollar that pays for their game. You dont like how they spend it or the way they play it? Fine, ******* and go play WoW or more likely Runescape like the little spolit ****ey kids that you are.

Get this straight, I dont object to the tax, I object to all you little tossers telling all the others how to play this game. ******* idiots the lot of you.

Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist

Iva Soreass
Friar's Club
Posted - 2009.09.19 22:08:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: annoing
Its not so much the tax, but I have begun to believe that CCP Eris Discordia and ccp are ******* idiots.

Go on ccp, tell me how this is a great big sandbox and we can play the game in any way we please .... as long as you are part of a player owned corp that is.
Sure, the tax will hurt the alts who npc but big ******** deal about that. You shouldnt try to force the player base into something they may not want to do, and making them join an player corp is just that.

Everyone wants something different from this game, everyone. Some want to mine, some want to pvp, some want to be industrialists etc ... so who are you to tell them how to play this game? You, the player, who thinks you should force everyone to play it your way should go and sucks a donkeys ****, its got **** all to do with you. Its their dollar that pays for their game. You dont like how they spend it or the way they play it? Fine, ******* and go play WoW or more likely Runescape like the little spolit ****ey kids that you are.

Get this straight, I dont object to the tax, I object to all you little tossers telling all the others how to play this game. ******* idiots the lot of you.

Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist


Quoteing for the mofo truth.

Hit it right on teh head there annoing here here.

Rulkez
Tribal Core
Posted - 2009.09.19 22:17:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: annoing
Its not so much the tax, but I have begun to believe that CCP Eris Discordia and ccp are ******* idiots.

Go on ccp, tell me how this is a great big sandbox and we can play the game in any way we please .... as long as you are part of a player owned corp that is.
Sure, the tax will hurt the alts who npc but big ******** deal about that. You shouldnt try to force the player base into something they may not want to do, and making them join an player corp is just that.

Everyone wants something different from this game, everyone. Some want to mine, some want to pvp, some want to be industrialists etc ... so who are you to tell them how to play this game? You, the player, who thinks you should force everyone to play it your way should go and sucks a donkeys ****, its got **** all to do with you. Its their dollar that pays for their game. You dont like how they spend it or the way they play it? Fine, ******* and go play WoW or more likely Runescape like the little spolit ****ey kids that you are.

Get this straight, I dont object to the tax, I object to all you little tossers telling all the others how to play this game. ******* idiots the lot of you.

Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist


Mindless emoragerant aside, how is taxing bounties and mission rewards forcing NPC corp members to do anything

annoing
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2009.09.19 22:19:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: annoing on 19/09/2009 22:20:02
Actually ive changed my mind. I DO object to the tax for all the reasons I gave above.
CCP are tossers for trying to 'nudge' npc'ers into a corp. Hey heres a thought... maybe they dont want to join a player owned corp? Maybe they dont want to train the skills nescessary to make a corp (yeah i know, anyone can make a corp but if you want you npc friends to join you've got to get the skills then). Maybe they want to do the very thing that you advertised.... play in this great big sandbox in any way they please.
Again,as for them making themselves a little one man corp .. maybe they like the chat in npc corp chat? maybe thats where their friends are? Maybe their friends might like to be ratters or miners while they might be industrialists or marketeers?
Yeah I know, its only 11% ... but that can be alot when you're trying to make isk to get that new ship or new module when you first start. If you mine and have sell the minerals, 11% will make a huge dent in your time/profit margins.
All I see this doing is making the casual Eve gamer stop paying their subs, as they can no longer be bothered to make the grind to buy the shiney epeen stuff which they seem to think the rest of us have.

CCP? this idea, the worst one you've had in quite a while.


Bibbleibble
Posted - 2009.09.19 22:19:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: annoing
Its not so much the tax, but I have begun to believe that CCP Eris Discordia and ccp are ******* idiots.

Go on ccp, tell me how this is a great big sandbox and we can play the game in any way we please .... as long as you are part of a player owned corp that is.
Sure, the tax will hurt the alts who npc but big ******** deal about that. You shouldnt try to force the player base into something they may not want to do, and making them join an player corp is just that.

Everyone wants something different from this game, everyone. Some want to mine, some want to pvp, some want to be industrialists etc ... so who are you to tell them how to play this game? You, the player, who thinks you should force everyone to play it your way should go and sucks a donkeys ****, its got **** all to do with you. Its their dollar that pays for their game. You dont like how they spend it or the way they play it? Fine, ******* and go play WoW or more likely Runescape like the little spolit ****ey kids that you are.

Get this straight, I dont object to the tax, I object to all you little tossers telling all the others how to play this game. ******* idiots the lot of you.

Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist


The only thing right with this post is the name...

And that's not even spelt right...

OwlManAtt
Gallente
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.09.19 22:19:00 - [109]
 

Quote:
Get this straight, I dont object to the tax, I object to all you little tossers telling all the others how to play this game. ******* idiots the lot of you.
So an 11% tax on bounties / mission rewards is somehow forcing you to join a player corp?

Are you always this stupid, or have you been enjoying the tournament with some fine drink? ugh

wickedpheonix
Caldari
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
31ST Reliables Division
Posted - 2009.09.19 22:19:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: annoing
Its not so much the tax, but I have begun to believe that CCP Eris Discordia and ccp are ******* idiots.

Go on ccp, tell me how this is a great big sandbox and we can play the game in any way we please .... as long as you are part of a player owned corp that is.
Sure, the tax will hurt the alts who npc but big ******** deal about that. You shouldnt try to force the player base into something they may not want to do, and making them join an player corp is just that.

Everyone wants something different from this game, everyone. Some want to mine, some want to pvp, some want to be industrialists etc ... so who are you to tell them how to play this game? You, the player, who thinks you should force everyone to play it your way should go and sucks a donkeys ****, its got **** all to do with you. Its their dollar that pays for their game. You dont like how they spend it or the way they play it? Fine, ******* and go play WoW or more likely Runescape like the little spolit ****ey kids that you are.

Get this straight, I dont object to the tax, I object to all you little tossers telling all the others how to play this game. ******* idiots the lot of you.

Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist


carebear tears are DELICIOUS YARRRR!! *smacks lips*

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.09.19 22:20:00 - [111]
 

Most of of the people I know use npccorped alts to pay for there PvP mains PvP.

all this works out to is a 11% increase in the amount of griding we have to do to pay for our pvp.

but yet CCP wants more pvp?

meh.

The good news is that maybee an 11% tax will help put out of buisness the idiots who insist on producing at a loss.

my freinds keep wondering why I always say EvE is the game you play despite the mindbogling stupidity of the developers*. usualy however it only takes a few weeks before they realise that me refering to them as being mind bogleing stupid is giving them a compliment they honestly dont deserve.

*Examples?
Boosters,
the T2 lotto,
Not fireing T20 because it would hurt his feelings after he hands out T2 BPOs to his corp mates,
Actualy PROMOTING t20 shortly thereafter
the original idea about the costs of T3 ships(honestly I am beguining to suspect that there is noone on the developement team who has actualy done any production as a full time effort)
the Entire pre dominion Low sec Sov mechanic. (which has lead to the somewhat sarcastic coment, the new improved Sov Mechanic, brought to you by the developers of the Current broken ass Sov mechanic and the even more broken ass FW)
Alechemy
The fact that they were completly blindsided (despite several bug reports)by the POS exploit in the first place.
The fact that they were aparently surpised by the level of hostility directed to the "announcment" of Dust 514 for console by part of the playerbase(a chunk of the playerbase basicaly spend there entire time trashtalking people who play "first person" mmos and WoW and they were suprised by the hostility to console *AHEM* players. (hoestly I personly thought that overall it was fairly civil, I think they were not expecting the harsh reaction to what seems to be a "console only" addon

Ambasador Kosh
Posted - 2009.09.19 22:22:00 - [112]
 

An excellent idea, and long overdue.

bnogo
Caldari
The Executives
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.19 22:23:00 - [113]
 

actually, i believe the whole MMO thing does define it. as in lots of people working together for their own goals.

this is a sandbox true, but it still is a box.

if ccp decides to alter the construct of the box and the minimalist rules they have, that is their priority. if they want player's in player corps, they can do as they want to nudge them out into it.

true npc corps have interaction, but nothing like a player corp. some of the best people i know and still talk to are from the smallest corps i have been in. i trust them, and hope they feel the same. those bonds generally are not created through npc corps :( not saying it can't happen, but i am sure it is rare indeed.

basically, getting into a small player corp, fighting off decs(even when you lose), and doing random **** together is an experience of eve that is amazing and so much better than anything else. why avoid the best part of eve? hang out and do what you like to, be it mine, mission, rat, 0.0, pirate whatever. there is a corp out there for you that is fun.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.09.19 22:38:00 - [114]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 19/09/2009 22:40:03
Originally by: annoing
Go on ccp, tell me how this is a great big sandbox and we can play the game in any way we please .... as long as you are part of a player owned corp that is.
How does this change in any way change how you can play the game? Answer: not a single bit.
Quote:
You shouldnt try to force the player base into something they may not want to do, and making them join an player corp is just that.
How does this in any way force players to join player corps? Answer: it doesn't.
Quote:
CCP are tossers for trying to 'nudge' npc'ers into a corp. Hey heres a thought... maybe they dont want to join a player owned corp?
Good news: they don't have to.
Quote:
Yeah I know, its only 11% ... but that can be alot when you're trying to make isk to get that new ship or new module when you first start. If you mine and have sell the minerals, 11% will make a huge dent in your time/profit margins.
You don't understand what corp taxes do, do you? Maybe you should look it up before you start spouting profanities and ranting about something you have no clue about. It only makes you seem uninformed, and it severely weakens your argument.

NPC corp taxes will affect two things: mission rewards and bounties, and, even then, only when they exceed 100k ISK. That's it. It will make f-all difference to new players reaching for that new ship and new set of modules because the vast majority of their earnings come from other sources and it will be quite a while before their NPC ISK payouts exceed 100k.

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.09.19 22:39:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Rulkez


Mindless emoragerant aside, how is taxing bounties and mission rewards forcing NPC corp members to do anything


It's not. That's the beauty of it. Nobody is being FORCED to do anything. They can stay right where they are if they like. Nobody is MAKING anybody do anything.


annoing
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2009.09.19 22:43:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Bibbleibble

The only thing right with this post is the name...
And that's not even spelt right...


Ahhh its always nice to come a true moron. Its not supposed to sound as 'annoying' but 'anno ing'. Those that have known me in this game since its beginning refer to me as anno .. not as annoing. You make me realise that 'care in the community' has failed.

Originally by: wickedpheonix


carebear tears are DELICIOUS YARRRR!! *smacks lips*


Not only as we find one true moron than another turns up just after.
If you think im a carebear than you obviously dont 'think' at all.

I object to CCP 'nudge'ing npc'ers into something they dont want to do. Not the tax, the nudging. Dont sell the game as a sandbox and then remove the sand.

Originally by: bnogo

basically, getting into a small player corp, fighting off decs(even when you lose), and doing random **** together is an experience of eve that is amazing and so much better than anything else. why avoid the best part of eve? hang out and do what you like to, be it mine, mission, rat, 0.0, pirate whatever. there is a corp out there for you that is fun.


All you have said there is exactly WHY the npc'ers dont want to join a corp. They dont want to either a) fight or b) maybe they dont understand fight mechanics have have no desire how to find out. All you have said supports what I said earlier .. who are you to try to tell them how to play this game? Who are you to tell them they MUST join a corp to make friends with people they dont want to make friends with, to do things they dont want to do when you tell them when to do it? Who made you God?
Hers another original thought ... why should they join a corp of complete strangers JUST so they can continue to play a part of the game they like ... ie: mining.
As for corp taxs (average 10%), well a 1% difference in tax rates is no real difference is it?

Stop trying to tell players how to play. Its their dollar, their game. You will say, good old ccp, its their game, they can change the rules of the sandbox anytime they please. Ok, let that be the case .. but claiming to enjoy the carebear tears will just have the same flavour when you tossers lose ninja salvaging, no wardecs with the other corps approval (so if they decline, you dont a war, how nice is that), the up and coming sovereign changes, pos changes etc etc.

Leave the noobs alone. You're just jealous that they DO make the isk that you only dream about as you so l33tly pvp in lowsec or 0.0.







Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2009.09.19 22:44:00 - [117]
 

Next: players start jumping around between corps to avoid silly taxes
Next: group of players get together, form shell corps at 0%, and start moving toons around regularly to avoid whatever the crap of the day is.

11% tax for missioners in NPC corps? Fail. And stupid (not to mention greedy).

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.09.19 22:46:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: annoing
Leave the noobs alone.
Noobs will not be affected by this change.

AdmiralJohn
Gallente
Origin of Sanshaa
Posted - 2009.09.19 22:48:00 - [119]
 

Well, annoing, despite what other people call you, your new nickname will be "Annoying".

And in case you didn't notice, it's an 11% tax, not an eviction notice. As a sandbox there's supposed to be choices and a tradeoff for everything, however NPC corps have very few tradeoffs. This just makes it balanced.

Wescombe
Posted - 2009.09.19 23:07:00 - [120]
 

I dont know if anyone has made any comments like mine, i've read most of the posts but will say it anyway.

Whilst I'm not pleased about the possible change and 11% isnt a big difference between most normal corps there is something that bothers me.

At the moment I really enjoy playing the game when I have the time and this is the problem, time! I'm currently working away a lot and I dont have time to really do anything other than mission running. I'm not in a player corp and I personally dont believe its fair to be in a player corp (especially a new one) when I will hardly be around. How would most of you feel about someone joining and not playing often?

At the moment if I have a free weekend I could maybe earn a good 100-250mil isk, so yes when im not playing a lot I would feel annoyed by losing 11-27mil for a npc corp where the funds were not actually be used for something.

My point is that its not that I dont want to join a player corp but other real life issues force me not to, Im already paying for a game I dont play much, why should I get taxed when I do play it.


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