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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2009.11.02 05:25:00 - [1141]
 

As I have stated before, I am in an NPC corp because I have not had time for a real one. This might change though as my real world Cyclone is nearing completion.

As for wardeccing NPC corps, this sounds like a boost for FW. I doubt the noobiest of noob corps will be decable, lest the start systems be full of rookie ship wrecks (and all those claiming the PVP is just the way it is reveal their true nature). But deccing a FW NPC corp might jazz FW up a little.

Casimir Fenring
Posted - 2009.11.02 10:19:00 - [1142]
 

Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Originally by: Malcanis
38 pages is a lot of thread. Has a single person who was opposed to this tax become reconciled to it?
PS I'm back!

I'm becoming reconciled to it, in spite of the ham-handed and patently idiotic manner it was introduced.
Originally by: Ranger 1
B: Actually, there are a number of avenues for people to investigate prospective corporations.


I disagree. I think the tools to research corps in this game suck compared to the very famous scamming... but thats just my opinion...
Originally by: Ranger 1
You know as well as I do that there are reputable corporations dedicated to helping new players take their first steps out of the noob corps. They are well advertised and easy to find.

Try again.


There are some good newb friendly corps out there. I disagree however with the "ease of finding them..." Not everyone gets as lucky as I did, and get a good lead on Eve - Uni shortly after I joined the game. I've run into many, many people who had no clue... Didn't know who to trust, or where to start looking...

In any event, this tax will change nothing, as has been stated before, it only amounts to about 3.5% on a mission runners income if they salvage/loot. Basically nothing.

People will still be immune to wardec's. (FFS, no one is going to bother war-dec'ing hundreds of 1 man corps...)[[just don't talk smack, you'll be almost perfectly safe...]]

Players who don't want to be in player corps won't change.

CCP's ham-handed attempt to encourage players to move to Player Corps won't (at this level) accomplish what they want.

CCP really should look into changing the recruiting / advertising / corp interface...

But I hear that would require more than just going after "low-hanging fruit", i.e. coding and effort...

P.S. - Welcome back Malcanis Laughing




Well said. All bases covered.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.02 10:55:00 - [1143]
 

Edited by: Venkul Mul on 02/11/2009 11:04:16

Originally by: Ranger 1
Venkul Mul I haven't brought this to the level of personal insults, perhaps you should refrain from that.


Sorry to have been offensive but you really don't want to look the situation with the eyes of a new player.

I try to consider the balance starting with the point that the NPC corps should work for the new players and if that allow old players alts or mains to "game" the system it is a necessary evil.

You try to balance it with from the point of view that old players (both main and alts) in NPC corps should be nerfed and that it that damage new players it is a necessary evil.

Probably two totally opposite positions with no meeting point. Sometime your absolutist position and unwillingness to acknowledge the effect on new players grate my nerves, so the harsh reply.

For me someone 1 month old and running level 3 missions in a BC is a new player and should not be affected by the tax, for you the tax affecting a 1 week old character running level 2 mission in a cruiser is the right point to apply it.

Originally by: Ranger 1

Yes, access to information for the new player looking for a corp can be improved. I would suggest keeping your eye peeled for further information on New Eden. However it is difficult for new players not to find information on reputable starter player corps within the first few months of play even as things are now.
If you don't agree with that assessment, that's fine... difficult to believe, but fine.


Sigh, Q.E.D.

"find information on reputable starter player corps within the first few months"

That kind of griefing is done in the first few days/weeks, not months.
And the first few weeks are the point were EVE lose most new players I think.

Originally by: Ranger 1

I know what you are trying to say, but the fact remains that the number of new players that end up stumbling into a corp that recruits them to die is pretty low. How many healthy player corps are out there?



And how many of those healthy corps recruit noobs with less than 2-3 months of play from the NPC corps?



Originally by: Ranger 1

Open your eyes. The VAST majority of EVE players happily existing in player corps.
If you don't see that, I'm afraid you are deep in denial.


Curious then that CCP feel the need to push people in players corps.
If the VAST majority is already there and so happy they should be capable of convince the other players to join them.


Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Originally by: Malcanis
38 pages is a lot of thread. Has a single person who was opposed to this tax become reconciled to it?



I'm becoming reconciled to it, in spite of the ham-handed and patently idiotic manner it was introduced.


Accepted it: yes.

Reconciled with something that will no work unless the goal is to get more 1 man corp? no.

Personally it will not touch me. All my characters have been in PC corps for most of their life. I have only 1 R&D car in a NPC corp over several accounts.

But it still irritate me as it is useless for the stated goal.
It is only a bit of salve for the ego of those that want more targets to wardec.


Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2009.11.02 14:46:00 - [1144]
 

Originally by: Venkul Mul
But it still irritate me as it is useless for the stated goal. It is only a bit of salve for the ego of those that want more targets to wardec.



VM - I agree with some of the things you post, and disagree with others. Same with Malcanis. Keep in mind however, that many of the people posting in favor of this change have (at various points in the past, and in other threads) expressed a desire that people would leave hi-sec and NPC corps.

NOT to be shot (as such) but rather to give their 0.0 Corp or Alliance a better shot at recruiting them.


I don't think this change will impact their recruiting (especially as slow as CCP is at making changes [thank god!]) any time soon. Being war-dec free is quite an attraction...Laughing I think before any big impact is felt the tax would have to hit 25% to 35%.

One question I've asked before tho, and haven't gotten an answer from anyone:

Are there any figures on how many of the "over 2M skill point" players that are in NPC corps are actually alts of other, established toons? I haven't been able to find anything on that, but CCP should have that number (imho) if their going to make a change like this.

i.e. - how many people are actually targeted?


I've rambled again... Sorry.

Rordan D'Kherr
Amarr
Posted - 2009.11.02 16:17:00 - [1145]
 

omg this thread is still alive...

ServantOfMask
Minmatar
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.02 22:43:00 - [1146]
 

BRAAAAAAINZzzzzzzzz!



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