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Harkwyth Mist
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.09.26 02:46:00 - [961]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
you are given a fraction of that amount in the form of a paycheck or commision.



Which is .. <insert drum roll> .. <drum roll ends> ..

Taxed

Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.26 03:21:00 - [962]
 

My work is done, helped stretch it out another page.

Your all whinging for nothing, the change IS going through, much like the Nano Nerf that so many were happy to see pass, this, will pass.

No amount of your complaints will change what is comming. No matter what you feel, CCP feel what your doing is BAD FOR THEIR GAME, and so they are rectifying that, with one of SEVERAL POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS THEY SEE TO FIX THE PROBLEM.

As has been quoted before, they are perfectly happy taking a "wait and see approach". If you don't seem to take the hint, they have stated they are prepared to nudge harder.

heres a thought, all 400 people in your noob chat channel can band up, form a corp, and you still get your tax free life, and you keep the same people that you hang out with now. No one needs lead the corp, ever, you wont have bills if you don't rent stations. If that life is so special to you, just recreate it in the player corp form CCP intends for you to be in.

Why is this so hard? A corp where there are no leaders, no one tells you what to do.

Only your not immune any more.

Which is what you really all want, obviously, or you'd just do as I suggest, and make one of these threadnaughts for each major NPC corp notifying the population that you intend to open said corp, and word of mouth would spread it.


Or you can just admit that what you don't want to give up is your immunity and move on.

Anhur Shu
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2009.09.26 03:40:00 - [963]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin
My work is done, helped stretch it out another page.

Your all whinging for nothing, the change IS going through, much like the Nano Nerf that so many were happy to see pass, this, will pass.

No amount of your complaints will change what is comming. No matter what you feel, CCP feel what your doing is BAD FOR THEIR GAME, and so they are rectifying that, with one of SEVERAL POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS THEY SEE TO FIX THE PROBLEM.

As has been quoted before, they are perfectly happy taking a "wait and see approach". If you don't seem to take the hint, they have stated they are prepared to nudge harder.

heres a thought, all 400 people in your noob chat channel can band up, form a corp, and you still get your tax free life, and you keep the same people that you hang out with now. No one needs lead the corp, ever, you wont have bills if you don't rent stations. If that life is so special to you, just recreate it in the player corp form CCP intends for you to be in.

Why is this so hard? A corp where there are no leaders, no one tells you what to do.

Only your not immune any more.

Which is what you really all want, obviously, or you'd just do as I suggest, and make one of these threadnaughts for each major NPC corp notifying the population that you intend to open said corp, and word of mouth would spread it.


Or you can just admit that what you don't want to give up is your immunity and move on.


/facepalm

nvm dude, you're like the bubble boy grasping for fresh air...you're just never gonna get it.

Bjron
Posted - 2009.09.26 05:16:00 - [964]
 

Edited by: Bjron on 26/09/2009 05:17:03
Grath Telkin
Quote

Stuff, I agree with.

end quote.


only 33 pages?

Eve General,
i am disappoint


Pic related.

http://images.starcraftmazter.net/4chan/for_forums/son_i_am_disappoint.gif



Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
Posted - 2009.09.26 05:19:00 - [965]
 

/hands Bjorn popcorn

I do believe this is just picking up steam, and it's only been going a few days, so 33 isn't too bad really.

Tuscanspeed
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2009.09.26 05:41:00 - [966]
 

Edited by: Tuscanspeed on 26/09/2009 05:44:08
not worth it.

Michwich
Posted - 2009.09.26 06:02:00 - [967]
 

Edited by: Michwich on 26/09/2009 06:03:17
Originally by: Grath Telkin
My work is done, helped stretch it out another page.

Your all whinging for nothing, the change IS going through, much like the Nano Nerf that so many were happy to see pass, this, will pass.

No amount of your complaints will change what is comming. No matter what you feel, CCP feel what your doing is BAD FOR THEIR GAME, and so they are rectifying that, with one of SEVERAL POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS THEY SEE TO FIX THE PROBLEM.

As has been quoted before, they are perfectly happy taking a "wait and see approach". If you don't seem to take the hint, they have stated they are prepared to nudge harder.

heres a thought, all 400 people in your noob chat channel can band up, form a corp, and you still get your tax free life, and you keep the same people that you hang out with now. No one needs lead the corp, ever, you wont have bills if you don't rent stations. If that life is so special to you, just recreate it in the player corp form CCP intends for you to be in.

Why is this so hard? A corp where there are no leaders, no one tells you what to do.

Only your not immune any more.

Which is what you really all want, obviously, or you'd just do as I suggest, and make one of these threadnaughts for each major NPC corp notifying the population that you intend to open said corp, and word of mouth would spread it.


Or you can just admit that what you don't want to give up is your immunity and move on.


I dont want to give up my immunity.

I will not join a loser gang.

11% is too much.

/unsubs

Whos next?

baltec1
Posted - 2009.09.26 06:17:00 - [968]
 

Originally by: Michwich
Edited by: Michwich on 26/09/2009 06:03:17
Originally by: Grath Telkin
My work is done, helped stretch it out another page.

Your all whinging for nothing, the change IS going through, much like the Nano Nerf that so many were happy to see pass, this, will pass.

No amount of your complaints will change what is comming. No matter what you feel, CCP feel what your doing is BAD FOR THEIR GAME, and so they are rectifying that, with one of SEVERAL POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS THEY SEE TO FIX THE PROBLEM.

As has been quoted before, they are perfectly happy taking a "wait and see approach". If you don't seem to take the hint, they have stated they are prepared to nudge harder.

heres a thought, all 400 people in your noob chat channel can band up, form a corp, and you still get your tax free life, and you keep the same people that you hang out with now. No one needs lead the corp, ever, you wont have bills if you don't rent stations. If that life is so special to you, just recreate it in the player corp form CCP intends for you to be in.

Why is this so hard? A corp where there are no leaders, no one tells you what to do.

Only your not immune any more.

Which is what you really all want, obviously, or you'd just do as I suggest, and make one of these threadnaughts for each major NPC corp notifying the population that you intend to open said corp, and word of mouth would spread it.


Or you can just admit that what you don't want to give up is your immunity and move on.


I dont want to give up my immunity.

I will not join a loser gang.

11% is too much.

/unsubs

Whos next?


If your quitting over this then you would have quit over something far worse.

Gsptlsnz
Posted - 2009.09.26 06:34:00 - [969]
 

Originally by: baltec1
If your quitting over this then you would have quit over something far worse.

Blaming the victim - it's always an easy answer, but rarely the right one.

By the time most people subscribe they've learned to expect bad behavior from other players. Nothing prepares you for being griefed by CCP.

Michwich
Posted - 2009.09.26 06:34:00 - [970]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Michwich
Edited by: Michwich on 26/09/2009 06:03:17
Originally by: Grath Telkin
My work is done, helped stretch it out another page.

Your all whinging for nothing, the change IS going through, much like the Nano Nerf that so many were happy to see pass, this, will pass.

No amount of your complaints will change what is comming. No matter what you feel, CCP feel what your doing is BAD FOR THEIR GAME, and so they are rectifying that, with one of SEVERAL POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS THEY SEE TO FIX THE PROBLEM.

As has been quoted before, they are perfectly happy taking a "wait and see approach". If you don't seem to take the hint, they have stated they are prepared to nudge harder.

heres a thought, all 400 people in your noob chat channel can band up, form a corp, and you still get your tax free life, and you keep the same people that you hang out with now. No one needs lead the corp, ever, you wont have bills if you don't rent stations. If that life is so special to you, just recreate it in the player corp form CCP intends for you to be in.

Why is this so hard? A corp where there are no leaders, no one tells you what to do.

Only your not immune any more.

Which is what you really all want, obviously, or you'd just do as I suggest, and make one of these threadnaughts for each major NPC corp notifying the population that you intend to open said corp, and word of mouth would spread it.


Or you can just admit that what you don't want to give up is your immunity and move on.


I dont want to give up my immunity.

I will not join a loser gang.

11% is too much.

/unsubs

Whos next?


If your quitting over this then you would have quit over something far worse.


Nothing is worse than game tax, seriousley. Its basically a nerf with no one benefiting but CCP. But yeah im quitting and ill be giving away my stuff at the end of the month. All 10 trillion of it. Ill be doing the double up thing to give it away, you know, send isk and i double/tripple it, whatever. To save time the minimum send amount will be at 100m, so save up your isk and hit me up in local Jita at the end of the month if you want to get rich, you know the deal.

Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
Posted - 2009.09.26 06:39:00 - [971]
 

Originally by: Michwich
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Michwich
Edited by: Michwich on 26/09/2009 06:03:17
Originally by: Grath Telkin
My work is done, helped stretch it out another page.

Your all whinging for nothing, the change IS going through, much like the Nano Nerf that so many were happy to see pass, this, will pass.

No amount of your complaints will change what is comming. No matter what you feel, CCP feel what your doing is BAD FOR THEIR GAME, and so they are rectifying that, with one of SEVERAL POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS THEY SEE TO FIX THE PROBLEM.

As has been quoted before, they are perfectly happy taking a "wait and see approach". If you don't seem to take the hint, they have stated they are prepared to nudge harder.

heres a thought, all 400 people in your noob chat channel can band up, form a corp, and you still get your tax free life, and you keep the same people that you hang out with now. No one needs lead the corp, ever, you wont have bills if you don't rent stations. If that life is so special to you, just recreate it in the player corp form CCP intends for you to be in.

Why is this so hard? A corp where there are no leaders, no one tells you what to do.

Only your not immune any more.

Which is what you really all want, obviously, or you'd just do as I suggest, and make one of these threadnaughts for each major NPC corp notifying the population that you intend to open said corp, and word of mouth would spread it.


Or you can just admit that what you don't want to give up is your immunity and move on.


I dont want to give up my immunity.

I will not join a loser gang.

11% is too much.

/unsubs

Whos next?


If your quitting over this then you would have quit over something far worse.


Nothing is worse than game tax, seriousley. Its basically a nerf with no one benefiting but CCP. But yeah im quitting and ill be giving away my stuff at the end of the month. All 10 trillion of it. Ill be doing the double up thing to give it away, you know, send isk and i double/tripple it, whatever. To save time the minimum send amount will be at 100m, so save up your isk and hit me up in local Jita at the end of the month if you want to get rich, you know the deal.


Yes, 10 trillion and you're quitting over 11% tax, hmmmm

Lector Delmordaine
Posted - 2009.09.26 08:57:00 - [972]
 

here we go again... CCP trying to force changes that make no sense... maybe some people play the game just to play it... do mission running and the like... people join npc corps to avoid war decks... and avoid the taxes... now you take that away they will just make there own corp up even if its just a 1 man corp... way to go CCP!

Alanea Winddancer
Posted - 2009.09.26 09:12:00 - [973]
 

Their game - they can do whatever the heck they want. At least they dare to do changes.

Serpents smile
Posted - 2009.09.26 09:20:00 - [974]
 

Originally by: Lector Delmordaine
here we go again... CCP trying to force changes that make no sense...



CCP never intended the NPC corps to be used as they are used now.
(Can't believe I'm adding to this thread but... whattheheck)Cool
They are 'fixing' something that went wrong. Like they did with 'ghost training' (Oh boy now I've done it).

I doubt this will get all these people out though, but maybe a few. Get real 11% is a flimsy bit when you look at how easy it is to make isk in EVE.

Quote:
maybe some people play the game just to play it... do mission running and the like...

That flimsy 11% tax is NOT going to change that.

Quote:
people join npc corps to avoid war decks...

Carebear heaven just got a bit taxed, people still can hide in a NPC corp. NOTHING prevents that.
Booohoo, cry me some more.

Quote:
and avoid the taxes...

1.000.000 bounty rat, 11% tax = 110.000 isk still nets you 890.000 isk.
Rolling Eyes

Quote:
now you take that away they will just make there own corp up even if its just a 1 man corp... way to go CCP!

They are only adding a wimsy flimsy 11% tax over RAT BOUNTIES & AGENT COMMISIONS, they do not take *anything* else away but a bit of isk!

Heck if you emo over this, you never got anywhere near the dangers EVE has to offer.
Really this game is not for you if you do. Cool




Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2009.09.26 10:01:00 - [975]
 

Whatever you think of the tax, it has gotten people to interact, in this thread at least. Enjoying those new social bonds everyone?

Lijhal
Posted - 2009.09.26 10:07:00 - [976]
 

ccp, you need to increase the tax .. 11% is nothing for perma immunity against wardecs!

33% would be good

PeHD0M
Posted - 2009.09.26 10:51:00 - [977]
 

CCP are just trying to nerf L4 missions in hisec. I can't say if this is right, but doing it that way is wrong and won't work.

You can't force people to go into player corps, even if you will make that tax 100%. It will simply either create a tons of 1-man corps, or just a mass exodus of mission runners from the game.

I can easily adapt and change my activity from L4 to something else.. But i will quit, if i'm forced to play the game in the way i don't like.

Serpents smile
Posted - 2009.09.26 11:19:00 - [978]
 

Originally by: PeHD0M

I can easily adapt and change my activity from L4 to something else.. But i will quit, if i'm forced to play the game in the way i don't like.



Arrow There is nothing preventing you from doing L4's, with 11% tax.
Arrow There is nothing forcing you to change your current playing stile, with 11% tax.

Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp
Not Found.
Posted - 2009.09.26 11:28:00 - [979]
 

Edited by: Sky Marshal on 26/09/2009 11:48:15

Serpents smile >

11% TODAY. We have no proof that it will not be worse. CCP wrote it in his blog. If it is not enough and so that the concerned players still play as they want and not as CCP want, CCP will increase it.

This is the problem, and the fact that CCP always say that EVE is a sandbox... Contradiction spotted.

CCP don't try to understand the reasons of why some players don't want leave NPC Corps, they try to solve the symptom by the stick. This will generate more problems than before.

Ann Drogynous
Posted - 2009.09.26 11:41:00 - [980]
 

Edited by: Ann Drogynous on 26/09/2009 12:22:40
Edited by: Ann Drogynous on 26/09/2009 12:00:11
Edited by: Ann Drogynous on 26/09/2009 11:53:05
Edited by: Ann Drogynous on 26/09/2009 11:44:52
Originally by: Bjron

First of all, I am back.

Now we are still QQing about internet play money, in a game that they choose to play, just a new flavor of tear.
A game that is a MMO, and promotes playing with ohter players.
Because god forbid that a player has to interact with some one else in a multipalyer online game Rolling Eyes
And if they really, really didnt like it, they can quit playing.

And lets not forget that the internet play monies is srs buizness.Rolling Eyes

and lets not forget that getting to 32 pages on a 11% tax, that many people have worked out, that the tax only boils down to 2-5% after salvaging and looting a mission, and that 2-5% is srs buiznessRolling Eyes

let also re-state that some people feel this will not change anything, because there massive ammout of info on CCPs plan over all, lets them say so.Rolling Eyes

Mah eyes be rolling outta mah head now.

O-wait, lets not forget the people who think the tax will hurt new players, when the tax is only applyed to rewards over 100K and bountys over 30k?

Come on guys, we can get to page 40, I got faith in you.


This also not forget the guy who threw a tartirum on me, because I am a immature 23 year old who lives with his mom and dad, and I can say with pride, that yes I still do.
A immature 23 year old who owns a new truck and works a full time job.

Lets see, I think I about got every thing covered.

Yeah, thats about it.

Here is a TL:DR versonn of this thread.

Person 1, QQ tax BBBBAAAWWWW Crying or Very sad

Person 2, ze tax, its does nothing! Shocked

Person 3, I am a lone wolf, I play MMOs and this hurts me.
YARRRR!!

Person 4, this thread is stupid. Surprised

Me, lolz, internet moines is srsLaughing


Back eh? And you are....???

Gotta love the audacity and strategic mastery of a Noob miner in a high-sec industrial corp repeatedly trolling a thread full of pirate alts to say "Nerr nerr ne nerr nerr! I am loving the fact that YOU won't be war-dec immune anymore."

Genius.

".... and this year's Darwin Award nomination goes to.."

Angelzin
Gallente
Posted - 2009.09.26 11:48:00 - [981]
 

This game is single player game with chat function.
Forcing tax to use chat or be alone in corp is not good or wise.

Most of those (who support tax) awaiting to start declaring wars on new formed corps will either quit game in rage or be banned for buying isk for real money.Twisted Evil

Truth is corp tax should be completely removed from the game as there is no reason for players to finance some dude main and/or alt accounts through purchase of PLEXes.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.09.26 11:57:00 - [982]
 

Originally by: Sky Marshal
Edited by: Sky Marshal on 26/09/2009 11:48:15

Serpents smile >

11% TODAY. We have no proof that it will not be worse. CCP wrote it in his blog. If it is not enough and so that the concerned players still play as they want and not as CCP want, CCP will increase it.

This is the problem, and the fact that CCP always say that EVE is a sandbox... Contradiction spotted.

CCP don't try to understand the reasons of why some players don't want leave NPC Corps, they try to solve the symptom by the stick. This will generate more problems than before.


You're right - CONCORD is the opposite of a sandbox element and should be removed.

Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp
Not Found.
Posted - 2009.09.26 12:03:00 - [983]
 

Edited by: Sky Marshal on 26/09/2009 12:03:50
Originally by: Malcanis
You're right - CONCORD is the opposite of a sandbox element and should be removed.


Maybe for a PVP player, not for the other ones, but Concord can't stop you to kill your target if you really want it, and you know it.

Wrong argument.

Fer DeLance
Posted - 2009.09.26 12:05:00 - [984]
 

It will not work. People in NPC corps do it either to avoid being war deced, or simply because
they don't want to pay taxes, taxes that most often pay losses for the ships of some "uber" 0.0 pvpers
whose constant question when joining a corp is "does corp pay for losses???", simply because they can't
afford to loose a single ship, because they never learned how to make some isk, or because they are
so lazy to make some isk...

My sympathies to all those poor "carebears", miners, ratters etc etc, who pay their taxes to their corps
and at somepoint find themselves wandering were did all that isk go, since the corp closed, or the majority
ppl left, or even their CEO logs once every couple of months just to see how his wealt is growing...

Make the NPC corp tax 99%. It won't change a thing. People will just join a corp, do their missions or whatever
(preferably with 0.0% tax), and if wardeced will just join someother corp etc etc etc...

I got plenty of assets and isk to keep playing for years, i can't care less for the taxes... but poor noobs...
you send them directly to greedy player corps, who will use them for their "politics" and their purposes
and when they are of no use anymore, or inactive for a while, or simply when corp closes, noobs will be left
with nothing, no isk, no assets, no knowledge... Really, has anyone ever gotten a percentage of corps assets
and isk, when they quited corp, or a corp was closed or inactive (CEOs not included of cource...)

Another Forum'Alt
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2009.09.26 12:14:00 - [985]
 

Don't CCP realise that within a day, EVE will be full of 1 member corps, and if pirates wardec one, people will just change corp. Costs something like 1.5m to make a corp, and you can hold 2 extra corps just with your alt slots on your main account...

Doctor Mabuse
Posted - 2009.09.26 12:42:00 - [986]
 

Well, given that half the people in this thread support the tax and half are against, it looks like this one is nicely balanced.

Well done CCP.

Next....

Maarrii
Posted - 2009.09.26 13:50:00 - [987]
 

Not a problem, I just keep switching 0% tax corps, Nothing to see here move along.

I smell a new 0% tax corp scam though, get enough people in it and then hike it to 100%, lush isk then close it and repeat :)

Serpents smile
Posted - 2009.09.26 14:07:00 - [988]
 

Originally by: Fer DeLance
Generalizing all player corps are baaaaaad



Wow, are you misinformed or what? Laughing

Taattii
Posted - 2009.09.26 14:12:00 - [989]
 

All hail the 1 player corps!

Ms Iustitia
Posted - 2009.09.26 14:14:00 - [990]
 

Originally by: Alanea Winddancer
Their game - they can do whatever the heck they want. At least they dare to do changes.


yup, it's there game indeed... but wait, they said the game's a "sandbox" is it not? oh, their "sandbox"? hmmm... false advertisement?

anyways the initial 11% would be absorbed by the casual players, not much of a change, i think, but if CCP Soundwave pushes thru with his plan of molding CASUAL PLAYERS into PVP PLAYERS, i.e. increasing the tax rate "until the goal is achieved"... at the end of the day, anything with a costumer base always ends up as a business proposition... maybe they have a projection to the subscription increase after this changes, who knows.

CASUAL PLAYERS mostly play to have fun, to entertain themselves or to unwind, the game is the least of its prioritize. HARDCORE gamers on the other hand prioritizes a game, they'd go so far just to attain some degree of dominance within the game. Wink


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