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mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.14 14:41:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: mazzilliu on 22/01/2010 05:37:50

In this forum, any EVE player can raise an issue for debate.

The best and most supported of these issue threads are picked up by the CSM for debate. The issues that pass debate are bought to CCP, and if CCP consents, the issues get implemented into the game.

How it works:
In order to raise an issue, simply create a new thread. In the title write a brief description and in the body, give as many details about your idea as possible. Any person replying to the thread can check a box to show support for the issue, which provides at-a-glance on the thread listing how supported an idea is. If a CSM member wants to raise an issue in a meeting, they are only allowed to select issues arising from threads in the Assembly hall, and only threads that are at least a week old.

When a CSM member selects the issue, they must create a page in the EVE wiki, condensing all the forum input into a solid idea that can then be voted upon.

Out of all the issues that pass, the CSM brings them to CCP, who removes all the issues that are moot, and talks with the CSM about the remainder. At this point, a relevant employee in CCP is assigned the issue and asked to do some research on it- is it feasible? is it a good idea? Such answers are found and returned to the CSM during the CSM-CCP meetings online and in Iceland. Issues that pass are added to CCP's "backlog"- that is, their to-do list for implementation in the game.

How can I get involved?
By simply raising issues in the Assembly hall. Try not to raise issues that are repeats of old ones. If you are in doubt, use eve-search.com and search the Assembly Hall forum for similar threads. Also search the EVE wiki(link at bottom) to see if it has already been raised by the CSM, and what became of it.

If you support an issue, be sure to reply in a thread and check the box giving support. You don't even have to say anything in your response if you don't want to. This helps the CSM because we can better see at a glance what issues are the most supported by the player base.

If you want to give feedback on an issue, try to make your feedback as constructive as possible. Don't say "your idea is stupid". Tell them WHY their idea is stupid. The Assembly Hall is more then just a complaint box. We can use this forum to make the game better for everybody, so let's try to keep discussion as constructive as possible.


4th(current) CSM links. For links to information for the 3rd and previous CSMs, please see my post just below this:

List of all issues raised by the CSM4
List of all issues raised by the CSM ever.
Issues that have passed through the CSM and are waiting for a response from CCP

If you are interested in finding out what happened during a specific meeting, go to the Jita Park Speakers Corner. there is a forum thread created for every meeting.



EDIT: more information on the CSM! see my next post in this thread. this post is full.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.09.14 14:54:00 - [2]
 

Very nicely done Mazzilliu. Are the Mods going to sticky this? They should.

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.14 16:17:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: mazzilliu on 22/01/2010 05:31:40
Edited by: mazzilliu on 20/10/2009 05:53:01
CONTINUED FROM THE OP------------












EVE Wiki links for the 3rd CSM:

List of Open Issues
Issues raised by the CSM
CSM Rejected Issues
List of all articles related to the 3rd CSM. Issues, meeting minutes, player pages, etc



The second and first CSM did not use the EVE wiki as extensively as the Third have, so records on the EVE wiki are more scant. But here they are, anyways:

CSM 2 records
CSM 1 records

Links to previous CSM threads, where they kept their records:
Serenity Steel's "list of all issues" from the CSM 1
Ankhesentapemkah's "CSM wiki" containing CSM 2 issues. It's been taken over by spambots.




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Erik updated a bunch of wiki pages to better illustrate how the CSM works. be sure to thank him!

Originally by: Erik Finnegan
Alright, alright, I rephrased the CSM page on evelopedia to give more information on how we work. I added an explanatory text on the CCP backlog, and also put together a page on how to get in touch with the CSM.

Treelox
Posted - 2009.09.14 17:23:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Very nicely done Mazzilliu. Are the Mods going to sticky this? They should.


im emailing them about it


shame that those who most need to read the first post, are the same type who never seem to read stickies. What with them being unique snowflakes and all, how could their issue not be importantRolling Eyes

CCP Diagoras


C C P Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.16 11:05:00 - [5]
 

Bluebars ugh

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.16 13:33:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: mazzilliu on 06/10/2009 22:32:08
Originally by: CCP Diagoras
Bluebars ugh


now i'm bona-fide important! ugh

Lori Carlyle
Posted - 2009.09.16 14:37:00 - [7]
 

Yours is missing at least one item, Ankhesentapemkah's was as well so don't feel to bad.

it's a nice collection but did we need another incomplete list?

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.16 16:15:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Lori Carlyle
your list is missing something but I'm not telling you what it is


say what?

Lori Carlyle
Posted - 2009.09.16 16:44:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: Lori Carlyle
your list is missing something but I'm not telling you what it is


say what?


Now why would I want to do that?
I'm not CSM and I don't update wiki's for companys with paid staff.

Your CSM, as were others before you, I'm sure you or others (if there that interested) can work it out with the detailed records the CSM and CCP keep. (it's in there somewhere)

That is if you want the wiki to be complete, if not, don't look and it will be another incomplete thing on the internet.



mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.16 16:56:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Lori Carlyle
Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: Lori Carlyle
your list is missing something but I'm not telling you what it is


say what?


Now why would I want to do that?
I'm not CSM and I don't update wiki's for companys with paid staff.

Your CSM, as were others before you, I'm sure you or others (if there that interested) can work it out with the detailed records the CSM and CCP keep. (it's in there somewhere)

That is if you want the wiki to be complete, if not, don't look and it will be another incomplete thing on the internet.





well if you won't tell me what it is, then :effort:

Lori Carlyle
Posted - 2009.09.16 17:06:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: mazzilliu

well if you won't tell me what it is, then :effort:


Yeah, Effort for a computer game is little off isn't it...Wink

Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
Posted - 2009.09.16 22:38:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Lori Carlyle
I'm not CSM and I don't update wiki's for companys with paid staff.

Hey! IRL I'm paid to update a wiki and I don't. I'm special too!

Although, to be fair, you're being bloody-minded and I'm just being lazy at work.

PS: Free spell-checking! You mean "wikis" and "companies".

Lori Carlyle
Posted - 2009.09.17 07:23:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Lori Carlyle on 17/09/2009 07:24:47
Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
Originally by: Lori Carlyle
I'm not CSM and I don't update wiki's for companys with paid staff.

Hey! IRL I'm paid to update a wiki and I don't. I'm special too.

Although, to be fair, you're being bloody-minded and I'm just being lazy at work.

PS: Free spell-checking! You mean "wikis" and "companies".


Originally by: The Joker
If your good at something never do it for free?


to be fair, there is nothing missing just a few things that could do with updating, (such as why some items were turned down by CCP) I just wanted to see if a CSM member would put the time and :effort: into looking and updateing. After all, whats the point in a wiki if the main people (CSM/CCP) don't update it with all the information, it is the CSM part of the wiki afterall.

Its one thing to make a nice thread and get glue applied, it's another to keep what that thread links to uptodate,
I wasted my time into looking for an answer that should have been included within the wiki when the data was entered, it was not, and as you correctly stated I'm bloody-minded enough to point out that all the nice formatted threads in the world mean jack if they point to incomplete data.

I'll await a visit from the internet spelling police again.. yawn.



Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
Posted - 2009.09.17 09:17:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Lori Carlyle
to be fair, there is nothing missing just a few things that could do with updating, (such as why some items were turned down by CCP) I just wanted to see if a CSM member would put the time and :effort: into looking and updateing.

Good points, well-made. There's a difference between the :effort: of keeping things up to date as events unfold and fixing an omission where somebody says "It's wrong, find the error that I won't tell you about and correct it". Nonetheless, your cautious pessmism that it will turn into yet another incomplete thing on the internet.

Can it be incomplete and still useful? Yes. The CSM part of the wiki has been useful to me, in satisfying my curiosity about certain issues if nothing more. Mazz's sticky is well constructed and, even though 90% of idiots always ignore stickies on forums, will probably help keep the assembly hall more organised. Even if it is polluted by idiots like me going off at a tangent.

Quote:
I'll await a visit from the internet spelling police again.. yawn.

I'd have capitalised the initial "to", omitted the 'e' from "updateing", inserted a space into "afterall", and hyphenated "uptodate".

Originally by: The Joker
If your good at something never do it for free?

I put more effort into the things that I'm good at and do for free than the ones that I'm paid for. This is probably an unwise long-term strategy.

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.17 12:50:00 - [15]
 

put up or shut up. i have no idea what things are missing and im not going to know until you tell me.

what issues were rejected by CCP during the iceland trip is not released yet, because the guy that is supposed to do the release hasn't done it yet. so it's not there, and it won't be until he does.

Lori Carlyle
Posted - 2009.09.17 13:48:00 - [16]
 

Emily, Oh it is very usefull, & and many thanks for the spell checking :) (I always sucked at that)


mazzilliu: Since you linked to the wiki I assumed you had done the backend work, my applogies for assuming that the CSM kept there part of the wiki updated, with your input I now know this to be wrong, so thank you.

However to be helpful.

Take this one.
Incresed sisi skill training speed
Notice that there is nothing in there except the proposed issue.
Now take a look at the last post

Yet no offical answer from CCP has been inputted, and since its Submission Date: 10-2008 one would assume that answer and reasons would be documented.

I'll assume that it will be updated in due time via the people who have the information and be on my way.






mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.17 14:13:00 - [17]
 

it's not my business to go and edit past CSM's wiki issues. if you have an issue that is screwed up with the current CSM i can help you there.

for that issue though, i am confident that the answer is "no"

Lori Carlyle
Posted - 2009.09.17 14:20:00 - [18]
 

I know the answers is no, but as CSM can you please, prod CCP to get an offical answer somewhere? anywhere would be nice..

Thank you.

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.17 14:24:00 - [19]
 

i'm not going to

Lori Carlyle
Posted - 2009.09.17 14:29:00 - [20]
 

Didn't think you would.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2009.09.18 08:07:00 - [21]
 

There needs to be an extra tickbox or the wording changed.

A lot of things are absurd but in the right direction. So you can make a post and suggest adjustments to original posters idea/issue but the current format only allows agree/disagree with original.

Either add a tickbox saying "I support this topic, with the caveats/exceptions mentioned in my post" or change the current tickbox to mean the same.

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.10.20 05:54:00 - [22]
 

I updated the OP and second post, with some links to updated wiki pages about the CSM.

Read it or die!

Ghost Prophet
Mugen Industry International
Tricell Coalition
Posted - 2009.12.21 23:00:00 - [23]
 

mazzilliu, thank you for this thread and being so honest with your fellow eve subscribers. It has been educational in more ways then initially intended and I appreciate your work.

Lord EPIon
Posted - 2010.01.02 19:39:00 - [24]
 

bump

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.22 05:38:00 - [25]
 

the OP is updated with links to the csm 4 wiki pages

Rvlxnx
Gallente
Posted - 2010.02.20 19:09:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Rvlxnx on 20/02/2010 19:09:43
Lmao...clunk!
WOW
I thought this was an informative read first post locked and loaded but i walked into a flame and debate.
ye ok so i am informed that nothing informative can be posted without burning in flames, or being debated;.. ahhh jet cans now i entered this mess,...

hops in covert ops ship engages cloak, cynorgisic(spell error)field, and jump bridge... Warp drive, Jump drive Active and me gets the lowsecell out of here!

Warning you cannot engage cloak while being targeted, you cannot activate fields or jump bridges while being scrammed, warp disrupted and webbied!
WARNING! you are about to experience and out of POD experience....
ummmm did i buy a clone? i dont remem.............

CompactDisc7227
Caldari
Kigurosaka Corporation
Posted - 2010.02.27 20:28:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: CompactDisc7227 on 27/02/2010 21:54:28
A good day to you all, I wanted to get in contact with someone from the CSM or CCP in person, but it seems harder than I thought, if they are interested, they are all most welcome to contact me through ingame mail, I will give you my real life mail then, I rather not make it public since I might get spammed by alot of people.
Anyways, I've written a little document to gather most problems with the Factional Warfare mechanics, I have gathered complaints from people ingame and from the forum and combined them into a word document containing some possible solutions to those problems.
The main reason for my post is the fact that the Caldari Militia is on strike until those issues have been treated or at least looked at and confirmed by CCP.
- And I noticed this post was in the wrong location, but I can't delete it anyways, it's a good way to make people notice. I reposted in the appropriate area also.

Please do read this:
DocX
Doc
Pdf


 

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