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C C P Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.10 12:02:00 - [1]
 

EVE Online Apocrypha 1.5.1 deployment is now live and Tranquility is open for business. Please use this thread to list any playability issues that you experience on Tranquility. The Developers will be monitoring this thread to check for any reported issues and we will provide updates when possible.

Please be sure to note which client you are using (Windows or Mac) if you believe the issue is client-specific.

zombiedeadhead
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2009.09.10 12:48:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: zombiedeadhead on 10/09/2009 12:51:58
Easily first, and with a bug also Very Happy. Sittng in station, click leave ship, and nothing. Still my ship graphic there, checked in ships tab, and it showed my pod there, with empty ship, but the Graphic still showed me in a ship. When I double-clicked the ship, message of 'Your pod has no cargohold, do you wish to equip a ship'.

When I undocked, the correct graphic of my pod showed.

windows client. (Had two clients running, the issue was on other client)

Rosa Rosette
Posted - 2009.09.10 12:51:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Rosa Rosette on 10/09/2009 13:16:29
pathcer claims corrupt install and advises reinstallation of the full client.
game start nevertheless

EDIT: steam version as well here

CosmicSpork
Posted - 2009.09.10 13:03:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Rosa Rosette
pathcer claims corrupt install and advises reinstallation of the full client.
game start nevertheless


I confirm this. I am using the Steam version if that makes any difference.

Saarikko Stone
Posted - 2009.09.10 13:35:00 - [5]
 

I'm experiencing some problems here.

I have 2 machines, one running Vista and one running XP. The Vista machine is working fine.

On the XP machine:

Inventory windows have 0 items (items & ships)
Corp hangar has 0 items
Science & Industry screen returns nothing on any page
Market window says "fetching orders" indefinitely


JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2009.09.10 13:38:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Rosa Rosette
Edited by: Rosa Rosette on 10/09/2009 13:16:29
pathcer claims corrupt install and advises reinstallation of the full client.
game start nevertheless

EDIT: steam version as well here


I have the sam issue like forever now. I dont bother with it sice it all work properly after patching.

pompeius
Posted - 2009.09.10 13:41:00 - [7]
 

look i didn't see where i can put this but i got a meager problem i got the new windows 7 and as i installed it i cannot enter eve any more can you tell me what do i need to do ?

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2009.09.10 13:51:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 10/09/2009 13:51:31
Originally by: pompeius
look i didn't see where i can put this but i got a meager problem i got the new windows 7 and as i installed it i cannot enter eve any more can you tell me what do i need to do ?


That's pretty vague don't you think. Try to go into as much detail as you can and explain exactly what is happening and what you see. That way people might take a guess at what is happening. Also a bug report might be in order.

pompeius
Posted - 2009.09.10 13:54:00 - [9]
 

well i get the first screen before the log in screen and then nothing like it wont get in to the login screen

Ariane VoxDei
Posted - 2009.09.10 13:57:00 - [10]
 

long post warning, regarding filtering.

tl;dr: averages are now consistent, but not calculating/providing the average you want/expect to base your deviation filters on. In short they are the average of the orders that are up, not the traded average.

---- Joe podpilot need not read beyond this line. ----

Something is up with the way price averages are calculated for the filters.
While they now appear to consistently get the same result (inconsistency was the previous problem), I do not find the results to be in line with the averages I would expect, namely something close to the daily or 5-day average.

I am getting strange results for some items (others *appear* to be ok), when deviation filters are on.
What really raised my suspicion was that all the megacyte buy orders in Kador were filtered out.
Since the deviation setting was very wide and the average of megacyte is easily in the 4-5k range (4.5k-5k in kador), then orders down to about 2k/unit should still have shown.
However, every order (and the highest is 4.8k/unit) from 0.50/unit and up was being filtered out.

Market history data for the last month clearly shows that all daily median in megacyte falls within 4k to 5k isk per unit, so the average can impossibly be outside that range.

The deviations are supposed to be in percentage, not absolutes, and you can not type in the % char in the field, so we have to assume that part is working as intended.
Trying various filter values concur that they are applied as percentages as intended (not as absolute numbers).

Testing with unusually narrow settings:
[-1 ; 1] in the filter gives some unexpected results. Try it and you will see.
From trying to explore the markets with that setting, it looks like the filters operate with 2 independent averages.

Case example:
Tritanium in Kador, using a [-1;1] filter on buy and sell it shows the following ranges :
sell @ 3.69-3.74isk
buy @ 2.27isk
Now if the filter is correct, those numbers are within 1% of the average.

As any trader can tell you, those numbers are laughably wrong or perhaps just naive.
Contrast the above numbers to this:
5-day average hovering about 2.75isk +/- 0.02isk.
Donchian channel the past 10 days: 2.6-2.95isk
Daily median the past month: about 2.74-2.92isk.
That shows that the average used in sell order filtering is about 1 isk too high (~35-40% too high) and it puts the average used in buy orders about 0.5isk too low.

So the conclusion seems to be that the averages that are fed to the filters are:
the weighted average of the sell orders and the weighted average of the buy orders. And those are very likely being calculated correctly.
The problem arises from the fact that I/we expect the traded average, which is usually close the the 5day average on the price history graph.

When we set filters, we want the deviations relative to the average traded price, if we can not access more accurate numbers such as average sell and average buy.

What the averages of the orders are is irrelevant, what matters is the average of what moves.
We very clearly do not want to have it jacked up/down by superexpensive sellorder or ultralow regional buyorders that never move any units - but that is what it very much looks like we are getting.

Please change this asap. The current averages are not useful, since to compensate for them the filters have to be so lax as to become useless.

Pre 1.5.0 it worked.
In 1.5.0, sometimes it was borked - someone cutting too many corners to optimize a need for speed effort I suppose.
1.5.1: consistent, but undesirable deviation filtering due to choice of averages.

Please drop me a email/game-mail if you want this submitted as a new bugreport, as the issue is different from the previous inconsistency one.

Rogue1004
Caldari
Eye of God
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2009.09.10 13:59:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Rogue1004 on 10/09/2009 14:06:18
also getting a verification failure asking to re-install the eve client

"D:\CCP\EVE\script\complied. code" seems to be corrupt

XP Client and have reinstalled once already

PJRiddick
Gallente
Posted - 2009.09.10 14:33:00 - [12]
 

For those of you not being able to enter the game and you are able to get to the chariter select screen,....ive done this trick.
hit your excape and back your graphisc down ie 1024x768 shold do it,...and turn off all the extras too. I had a machine do that to me the other day that i was loading EVE onto and it barfed on me big time. This is what i did just ot get into the game and from there i brought the graphics back up to a good level.
Not sure what the deal was but its working now. I use that system for my mining alt. not a realy high frame rate but it workss for mining.
Just wanted to throw that out there. Hope it helps

-=+>xXx<+=-

borgqueenx
Posted - 2009.09.10 15:39:00 - [13]
 

i have a problem, look here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1176498

the patch wont install.

ReconByFire
Posted - 2009.09.10 17:15:00 - [14]
 

Pre patch everthing worked fine but after I installed the patch it doesnt work right on Vista but works right on XP. On my computer with Vista it opens the opening screen before the login screen then comes up with a CCP error somethin thing that closes down the game. So I took the game off my computer and reinstalled the whole thing again but the same thing happend. Anyone know whats up with that?

Twiagon
Posted - 2009.09.10 17:19:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Twiagon on 10/09/2009 17:32:14
Edited by: Twiagon on 10/09/2009 17:31:47
Unable to download patch either automatically:
----------------------------------------------
There was an unexpected error while retrieving update status:

Unable to download file o2/evepremiumpatch99186-101786.exe from the server.
Error: ('http protocol error', 0, 'got a bad status line', None)
----------------------------------------------
or from the Patches section of the Forum.

Anything I can do at my end to correct this?

TIA

**Still couldn't download manually but auto download worked on second attempt. YEAH!**

Shiba Miki
Posted - 2009.09.10 17:25:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Shiba Miki on 10/09/2009 17:27:49
I had issues downloading the patch from anywhere (timeout issues) but it works fine now.

Were there load issues or was the patch taken down for a while?

Brycesv1
Caldari
Elko Bail Bonds
Lonely Maple Conglomeration
Posted - 2009.09.10 17:37:00 - [17]
 

ok now that we have another patch number maybe the forces that be will FINALLY start to work on fixing the sound issues? or maybe we could get a dev to at least acknoledge that there is a problem... or maybe give us an explanation as to why we cant hear anything unless were staring up the exhaust tubes of our ship...

then again i AM talking about CCP......
/me throws hope back under the bed

Dynamix Boon
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.09.10 17:52:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Dynamix Boon on 10/09/2009 18:04:41
I'm having problems downloading the patch. I tried through the client and the website. Sad

The client reports:-
---
There was an unexpected error while retrieving update status:

Unable to download file o2/evepremiumpatch99186-101786.exe from the server.
Error: [Errno socket error] (10060, 'Operation timed out', 'thread::connect failed with error 10060: A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because connected host has failed to respond.\r\n')
---

tracert ccp.vo.llnwd.net

3 22 ms 22 ms 20 ms osr01perr-v11.network.virginmedia.net
4 9 ms 14 ms 22 ms perr-t3core-1a-ge-010-0.network.virginmedia.net
[80.0.176.69]
5 30 ms 25 ms 27 ms man-bb-a-as1-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.
175.181]
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 * * * Request timed out.

Looks like the problem is with Virgin Media (again)Evil or Very Mad

Is there an alternate site to download the patch?


Ayre Rowan
Posted - 2009.09.10 18:01:00 - [19]
 

I'm getting similar problems, for both the patch and client download. I'm using Google Chrome so get as far as the address for the item e.g. http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/EVE_Premium_Setup_101786_m.exe. My error message is:

Quote:
This web page is not available.

The web page at null might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.

Ehranavaar
Gallente
Posted - 2009.09.10 18:35:00 - [20]
 

is it just me or when they say they fixed some exploits does not your ears perk up and you wonder what the scoundrels had been getting away with this time.

please ccp instead of just saying you've fixed exploits can you not drop a few general words in about what the exploits were? nosey people want to know Razz

Hamee Thorn
Posted - 2009.09.10 18:39:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Hamee Thorn on 10/09/2009 18:40:17
Started game as normal via Steam

Requested patch. Eve shutdown and patch was installed (Windows Vista 32)

Now when I try to run eve I get this
"Your EVE client installation may have modified, damaged or corrupt files. Please re-install the game client
Bad manifest signature, timestamp "2009.09.03 11:22:45", expected "2009.08.14 13:59:00"


Kralizek Kharr
Posted - 2009.09.10 19:05:00 - [22]
 

Hello...

same problem here when try to auto patch after 20 secs I got message

There was an unexpected error while retrieving update status:

Unable to download file o2/evepremiumpatch99186-101786.exe from the server.
Error: [Errno socket error] (10054, 'Connection reset by peer', 'IOCompletionWsaGetOverlappedResult failed with error 10054: An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host.\r\n')


Do you want to go to support page?

then tried to manually download ANYTHING from your website... patch, full build and I can't due to time out etc. tried even download some video trailers can't either...but my internet works fine.. can access other websites and download from them stuff... so please help .ugh

Any ideas what may causing this?

P.S. Using windows XP

Lukas Rox
Torchwood Archive
Posted - 2009.09.10 19:17:00 - [23]
 

Heavy drones cannot hit large objects. Looks like changing the gunnery mechanics changes a lot when the object you shoot at is very big. For example in mission "The Infested Ruins" when you order Ogre IIs to shoot the structure, they are too far to actually hit it. Had to use sentries. And I'm positive, that this did not happen pre patch.

Al'Ter Ego
Posted - 2009.09.10 19:25:00 - [24]
 

Patch downloader stalls, not fetching the RTP package.

Got evepremiumpatch99186-101786_m.exe from the "EVE Patches" - page: No problems with that.

Tranz molar
Posted - 2009.09.10 19:52:00 - [25]
 

Unable to patch, neither the auto patcher runs

"Unable to download file o2/evepremiumpatch99186-101786.exe from the server.
Error: [Errno socket error] (11001, 'getaddrinfo failed', 'thread::getaddrinfo failed with error 11001: No such host is known.\r\n')"

Tried manual download of patch but just getting connection error and same with trying to download the full client for windows.

The old client starts up ok and connects just the patch server seems to be the problem rather than the patch itself

Tranz molar
Posted - 2009.09.10 20:09:00 - [26]
 

nm didnt do enough forum hunting.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1176563&page=1#6

Time to kill the isp provider

CCP Atlas

Posted - 2009.09.10 20:27:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Ariane VoxDei

...
So the conclusion seems to be that the averages that are fed to the filters are:
the weighted average of the sell orders and the weighted average of the buy orders. And those are very likely being calculated correctly.
The problem arises from the fact that I/we expect the traded average, which is usually close the the 5day average on the price history graph.

When we set filters, we want the deviations relative to the average traded price, if we can not access more accurate numbers such as average sell and average buy.

...

Pre 1.5.0 it worked.
In 1.5.0, sometimes it was borked - someone cutting too many corners to optimize a need for speed effort I suppose.
1.5.1: consistent, but undesirable deviation filtering due to choice of averages.



You are indeed correct. In Apocrypha 1.5 we changed this to use the average price of the outstanding orders rather than the regional average of sold units. This was done for performance reasons. It was hugely expensive for the server to calculate this information for people with this filter set. Basically this was done as an emergency need-for-speed change.

The tooltip for the filter does tell you how the deviation is calculated but I agree that it's not as useful as the old system. For the long term we might revisit this and find a smarter way to report the same information but I'm afraid this is all we have for now.

shukran fahid
Posted - 2009.09.10 21:04:00 - [28]
 

i havent been able to download the patch all day. i tried to DL the entire client as well with no success. anyone else having timeout problems on DL???Evil or Very Mad

Piker Sareth
Posted - 2009.09.10 21:25:00 - [29]
 

I have the steam client and also have what appear to be cosmetic issues.

After installing the patch I'm told my install is corrupt and needs to be reinstalled... but the game will start just fine.

Empathic Psychopath
Posted - 2009.09.10 21:36:00 - [30]
 

Well, can't say I'm too impressed with this patch. Did anyone at CCP actually test this on a wide range of system types? WinXP? Win Vista? 32 AND 64 bit versions?

First off, I install the patch, "8.9 mbytes? cool...won't take long" I think...sure...15 minutes later nothing is happening. DXSETUP.EXE is still running and my system has pretty much frozen. Imagine my surprise when the system just reboots and the POST runs...no shutdown, just a restart. This appears to be a bad omen...

....and 30 minutes later I decide the black screen after the reboot isn't going to get better. So, cold boot the system again and I have do boot from last known good config to get the system running again.

Lets try it again. Start the patch process and yup, been waiting just on 10 minutes now while DXSETUP.EXE does what ever it is trying to do and...my....system...is...lagging...like...jita...used...to.....arrrrgghhhhhh!!!

I have several install directories (one per account) and at this rate it will another 3 days to update all of them.

FYI, I'm running Windows Vista Ultimate x64. Prior to this patch I've never had ANY problems with this system (been running the current install for over 12 months now).

Sad


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