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something somethingdark
Posted - 2009.09.05 11:54:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: something somethingdark
my stuff



Learn to fit or just dont fly geddon at all. Geddon can have guns + hvy neut + mwd + injector + nice buffer WITHOUT grid mods. This one will be even easier to fit thanks to small grid improvement (enables to fit full rack of megapulses instead of 5+2 mega/dhp).


never sayd im actualy having gridproblems or that i think it was underpowered
but in light of the proposed navy domi i just thought it would be nice to have a rr or neut mega pulse geddon with mwd and heavy booster....
they get hilarious versatility i get hilarious gank n' tank .. only fair

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2009.09.05 11:59:00 - [182]
 

TBH: domi gets 1 midslot which he doesnt need that much. Geddon gets one important mid. Id say the one overpowered ship in this list is AN arma not the domi.

Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
Posted - 2009.09.05 12:22:00 - [183]
 

Edited by: Seishi Maru on 05/09/2009 12:23:42
Make fleet tempest BACK to old slot layout and with 6 guns only!

Give it 70 extra TF of cpu to be able to properly use its mids, and when wanted fly shield tanked.


Give it 100M drone bandwidth...!

Hachi Ironfist
Gallente
Rubbish and Garbage Removal
Atlas.
Posted - 2009.09.05 12:42:00 - [184]
 

The +1 on the Domi is a nice addition, not really that useful but it's ok.

As many stated a +% on drone dmg would have been better... and with the new navy domi you won't be able to fit 2x Large Sentry Damage Augmenters only, 1.... give it +50 more calibration points at least.

Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
Posted - 2009.09.05 12:48:00 - [185]
 

I would like to thank CCP for taking a few minutes and rethinking the bonusses of the Vindicator and the Vigilant, well done to you and keep up the good work.

ian666
Minmatar
Virtual Democracy
C0VEN
Posted - 2009.09.05 12:51:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Roemy Schneider
based on the faction stabber:
7 high, 5 med, 8 low, 7/0
Dronebay + Bandwidth increased by 50m
Speed: +25% max velocity and some agility

based loosely on the naglfar:
7 high, 7 med, 6 low, 6/4
7.5% rof+dmg
Dronebay increased by 50m *shrug, everybody seems to get it*

based on the cane:
8 high, 4 med, 8 low, 6/4 ... or 8-5-7, 6/4
7.5% rof+dmg
Dronebay increased by 50m

based on a wet dream:
8 high, 4 med, 8 low, 7/4
7.5% rof+dmg
Dronebay + bandwidth increased by 50m
ohwait... that'd be a perfectly acceptable ship like... the geddon.... cant have that


Varrakk
Menace ll Society
Posted - 2009.09.05 12:53:00 - [187]
 

Where is the faction battleships for Tier 3?

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2009.09.05 12:57:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: ian666

based on a wet dream:
8 high, 4 med, 8 low, 7/4
7.5% rof+dmg
Dronebay + bandwidth increased by 50m
ohwait... that'd be a perfectly acceptable ship like... the geddon.... cant have that



Yes. 1155 DPS from guns alone with 3 gyros (yay capless weapons), similiar (if not better thanks to tier2) EHP than geddon, spare HIslot for neut and 125m3 of drones (thats another 316dps). So 1470dps tempest. yep, dream on. Also ask what mega pilots think about it.

Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
Posted - 2009.09.05 13:15:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: ian666

based on a wet dream:
8 high, 4 med, 8 low, 7/4
7.5% rof+dmg
Dronebay + bandwidth increased by 50m
ohwait... that'd be a perfectly acceptable ship like... the geddon.... cant have that



Yes. 1155 DPS from guns alone with 3 gyros (yay capless weapons), similiar (if not better thanks to tier2) EHP than geddon, spare HIslot for neut and 125m3 of drones (thats another 316dps). So 1470dps tempest. yep, dream on. Also ask what mega pilots think about it.


himself said .. based on a wet dream... so he knows its a ridiculows exageration.


but if you make it seek old 6/6 slot layout.. a SINGLE of the bonuses goign to 7.% woudl nto be over

Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
Posted - 2009.09.05 13:17:00 - [190]
 

(yay falloff)

Snorre Sturlasson
Posted - 2009.09.05 13:34:00 - [191]
 

Originally by: Hachi Ironfist
The +1 on the Domi is a nice addition, not really that useful but it's ok.

As many stated a +% on drone dmg would have been better... and with the new navy domi you won't be able to fit 2x Large Sentry Damage Augmenters only, 1.... give it +50 more calibration points at least.


I agree. More drone dmg and a more cap recharge would be better.

KustoMKilleR
Freddy Mercury Revival Group
Posted - 2009.09.05 13:38:00 - [192]
 

CCP please for the love of god take a step back and have a look at what your proposing for the fleet issue tempest and tell me whether you think its sane at all.

extra turret slot is a good boost for the ship BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHY REMOVE A MID. seriously.....you want to take the worst fleet issue ship and make it worse?. if you absolutely feel you have to remove a slot for the extra turret then remove a low and give us back our 6 mids.

Oddymandius
Minmatar
Red Federation
Posted - 2009.09.05 13:40:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Caroline Nikon
Also.. Fleet tempest CANNOT FIT full racks of 1400mm even with the PG boost. The old one could. Increase it 700 PG more or the ship will be even more nerfed than it is now.

Use 1200mm, they do the same DPS when you include reloading.

Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
Posted - 2009.09.05 13:40:00 - [194]
 

[Armageddon, New Setup 1]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Internal Force Field Array I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

100MN Microwarpdrive II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
F-90 Positional Sesnor Subroutines

Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Bouncer II x5

ANmulti 1117 dps @ 15+10
scorch 944 dps @ 45+10
+50 dps if you worship EFT ogres -.-

696.25/696.25 cpu
23633/23821.875 pg

Inquisitor Cononach
Posted - 2009.09.05 13:42:00 - [195]
 

I always support more Faction/Special Ships, despite their (at times) exceptionally limited uses and inherant risks (specificly in PvP).

Hoever, I implore you CCP.....you've done such a wonderful job with the Khanid version of Amarr ship design, please consider one day giving us Amarrians our Khanid Battleship.

Every other race has an alternate weapons-platform option in the Battleship Class. Except Amarr.

You have the gorgious EoM Geddon Skin just sitting there, for a Khanid Torp Geddon.

Thanks for a great game, and I hope you'll consider this idea eventually.

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2009.09.05 13:43:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: Seishi Maru
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: ian666

based on a wet dream:
8 high, 4 med, 8 low, 7/4
7.5% rof+dmg
Dronebay + bandwidth increased by 50m
ohwait... that'd be a perfectly acceptable ship like... the geddon.... cant have that



Yes. 1155 DPS from guns alone with 3 gyros (yay capless weapons), similiar (if not better thanks to tier2) EHP than geddon, spare HIslot for neut and 125m3 of drones (thats another 316dps). So 1470dps tempest. yep, dream on. Also ask what mega pilots think about it.


himself said .. based on a wet dream... so he knows its a ridiculows exageration.


but if you make it seek old 6/6 slot layout.. a SINGLE of the bonuses goign to 7.% woudl nto be over


Thats why i said "dream on" :)

but yeh this pest looks sad. if all just leave changes as they are now and add that mid you took away. fixed

As for navy scorp... uhh.... there is rokh already with sick tank. why double its role?

Ivanna Nuke
Gallente
Holders Of The Cowbell
Posted - 2009.09.05 13:44:00 - [197]
 

Navy Domi... Navy Armageddon, boosts to my Navy Mega win :)

As for the Minmatar... boauahahaha YARRRR!!

Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.09.05 13:46:00 - [198]
 

O-M-G! Nice changes on the fpest, nice on the fphoon, but...

Originally by: CCP Ytterbium

* Standard Typhoon armor and shield values have been swapped as well


Shocked AWESOME!

Andrea Skye
Caldari
Heavy Risk...
Posted - 2009.09.05 13:48:00 - [199]
 

Edited by: Andrea Skye on 05/09/2009 13:50:22
Tempest fleet issue making me horny!

but.. give it an extra low or mid... atm u gota choose between good dps or average tank. Other ships can have a kind of inbetween, why not the tempest

Lee Dalton
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.05 13:49:00 - [200]
 

Originally by: CCP Ytterbium

Originally by: Areo Hotah
Why are the Minmatar the only battleships who do not get additional mid and low slots, but only more turret hardpoints?


Raven Navy Issue does not receive extra mid/low slots as well. Adding more DPS is worth the slot don't you think? The Scorpion Navy Issue also receives an extra high slot with its 5th launcheer but this is due to its role change, as it is based on an ECM hull.


So you admit that autocannons are flawed?

Winged Crime
Minmatar
The Blood Money Cartel
Posted - 2009.09.05 13:52:00 - [201]
 

Edited by: Winged Crime on 05/09/2009 13:54:57
Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
Edited by: CCP Ytterbium on 04/09/2009 18:38:17
Edited by: CCP Ytterbium on 04/09/2009 18:34:22
Edited by: CCP Ytterbium on 04/09/2009 17:17:15

Republic Fleet Firetail:

New slot layout: 3 high, 4 med, 3 low, 2 turrets, 2 launchers
Fittings: 140 CPU, 39 powergrid
Bonuses: 20% small projectile turret damage and 7.5% small projectile turret tracking per level
Hitpoints: not changed, keeps 50% more hit points buffer next to its tech 1 counterpart (Rifter)
Capacitor: 250 capacitor, 187.5s recharge (about 1.3 cap/s)
Speed: 410m/s, 3.2 agility
Sensor: 30km targeting range, 4 locked targets, 560mm scan resolution, 9 ladar sensor strength, 36m signature radius



Does this mean that the speed bonuses have been removed from the firetail?
Neutral


Please clarify. I hope not :\


Edit: by the looks of things you boosted it's velocity max anyway. I'm still kinda new at reading/comparing stats/etc

Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
Posted - 2009.09.05 13:52:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Andrea Skye
Edited by: Andrea Skye on 05/09/2009 13:50:22
Tempest fleet issue making me horny!

but.. give it an extra low or mid... atm u gota choose between good dps or average tank. Other ships can have a kind of inbetween, why not the tempest


it got only 21 extra dps.. so not horniable at all....

Current fleet tempest can sweep the flootr witht he old one if it had the same fitting capability.

1600 RT
Posted - 2009.09.05 13:54:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: Winged Crime
Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
Edited by: CCP Ytterbium on 04/09/2009 18:38:17
Edited by: CCP Ytterbium on 04/09/2009 18:34:22
Edited by: CCP Ytterbium on 04/09/2009 17:17:15

Republic Fleet Firetail:

New slot layout: 3 high, 4 med, 3 low, 2 turrets, 2 launchers
Fittings: 140 CPU, 39 powergrid
Bonuses: 20% small projectile turret damage and 7.5% small projectile turret tracking per level
Hitpoints: not changed, keeps 50% more hit points buffer next to its tech 1 counterpart (Rifter)
Capacitor: 250 capacitor, 187.5s recharge (about 1.3 cap/s)
Speed: 410m/s, 3.2 agility
Sensor: 30km targeting range, 4 locked targets, 560mm scan resolution, 9 ladar sensor strength, 36m signature radius



Does this mean that the speed bonuses have been removed from the firetail?
Neutral


Please clarify. I hope not :\


yes speed boost removed

Kilmatar
Minmatar
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.05 13:56:00 - [204]
 

Edited by: Kilmatar on 05/09/2009 13:56:22
Originally by: Krem daBrut
You sure the Firetail based on the Merlin?


No it isnt. the hookbil is based on merlin.
firetail is based on rifter. read the post before you type in a reply man=)

Lee Dalton
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.05 14:01:00 - [205]
 

Whenever I read the changes to Minmatar and the logic behind it, I wish there was a :psyduck:.

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2009.09.05 14:24:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: Seishi Maru
Originally by: Andrea Skye
Edited by: Andrea Skye on 05/09/2009 13:50:22
Tempest fleet issue making me horny!

but.. give it an extra low or mid... atm u gota choose between good dps or average tank. Other ships can have a kind of inbetween, why not the tempest


it got only 21 extra dps.. so not horniable at all....

Current fleet tempest can sweep the flootr witht he old one if it had the same fitting capability.


... over siege missile launcher pest. is there anyone who actually puts siege launchers on pest?

Happster
Polaris Project
Posted - 2009.09.05 14:42:00 - [207]
 

Edited by: Happster on 05/09/2009 14:50:55
Edited by: Happster on 05/09/2009 14:49:32
Just did a quick test on the fleet pest old vs new.

Old with 3 gyros can make a good shield tank and with hail it does 876 dps from guns alone. It has 2 extra high utility slots. Fit siege launchers in these slots and you push 1k dps++

New with 1 gyro to make 3xhardners + 2x LAR to have a good tank, and with hail it does 763 dps and have 1 utility high slot.

Seems pretty easy to me. Fleet pest got nerfed!!

Shield tank is stronger then armor tank, atleast when you use implants. So old fleet best would whop the floor with the new fleet pest.
Edit:
If you do a plated version of the new fleet pest and fit 2x gyros you can make 910 dps from guns alone.
On other side, you can fit 4 gyros on the old fleet pest and get 930 dps from guns alone...

Ulstan
Posted - 2009.09.05 14:44:00 - [208]
 

I think I'd also like to see the hookbill use hybrids rather than missiles.

For one thing, frigate missiles are terrible and suck enormously. Presumably this will at some point be fixed but I'd rather not have the hookbill be the worst dps frigate right out of the box.

The main reason is caldari already has a really good non T2 missile frigate - the Kestrel. There is no non T2 good caldari gunboat. The merlin suffers from split layout syndrome. I'd like to see a gunboat option for non T2 caldari frigates.

Ulstan
Posted - 2009.09.05 14:49:00 - [209]
 

Originally by: Vanessa Vasquez

Nice idea, love it. Just think they are to cheap compared to the 600.000 LP + base hull for the Tier 2 Navies.



Remember that is FW LP only. You really can't compare the two, as it's much easier to earn masses of LP's via high sec L4's than from missions in low sec that make you jump through 19 low sec systems full of wartargets per mission.

Arthur Frayn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.09.05 14:50:00 - [210]
 

I'm far too lazy to sift through all the fleet tempest whines to find out if someone already mentioned this:

The 7th turret now makes the fleet Tempest superior to the Maelstrom and the Vargur in terms of dps with autocannons and artilleries too if you stop for a moment and remember you can still fit a 5 midslot shield tank + damage mods and a power grid mod in the lows.

It shouldn't be something to cry about that you have to use grid mods to fit 1400s. You can't fit T2 Tachyons on the Navy Geddon or Apoc without grid mods. Hell, you can't even fit them on an Abaddon with skills alone. Last time I checked, you can fit a full rack of T2 1400s on a Maelstrom, no grid mods needed.

For anyone who says "but that's only fair because artillery sucks and Minny battleships should have the heaviest artillery to compensate!", well that's a problem with artillery sucking, not these ships.


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