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Theophilas
Amarr
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2009.09.02 16:04:00 - [31]
 

How is it that we even engage these heretics in argument?

The Theology Council should give us all a test of faith just to ensure we're of sound mind to even bother responding to this rabble.

Kathryn Dougans
Amarr
Posted - 2009.09.02 16:58:00 - [32]
 

The image displayed by Captain Kuan Yida, shows a debris field of starship wrecks, and some sort of ruined mining station, I think?
The wrecks are mixed frigate and cruisers, of Amarr design.
The wrecks appear to be displaying the standard salvage claim ID of PIE.

Those are all the facts that can be seen from that image.


Captain Kuan Yida then claims that the wrecked vessels belong to the Empire.

This is conjecture.
While for example, Amarr Navy shipwrecks may be displayed as "Amarr Frigate Vessel Wreck", there are several other types of ships that the capsule interface software arbitrarily designates as "Amarr Frigate Vessel".
Independently owned vessels, privateers, minor Holder's illicit private navies, etc. etc.

So, unless you actually see the ships appear on your display as "Amarr Navy" or "Imperial" or "Divine" or "Templar", then to say that they belong to the Empire is speculation, not fact.

Leopold Caine
Amarr
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2009.09.02 17:03:00 - [33]
 

Does it matter, really? The Amarr will say it's a forgery, the Minmatar will insist it to be real. Rashomon of it's own.

Gottii
Minmatar
Lutinari Syndicate
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.09.02 17:30:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Becq Starforged
Allow me to be the first to break from the tact taken by my brethren. I would like to extend my heartiest congratulations to the pilots of PIE for their victory. I hope that their future holds many more such victories against the forces of the Slaver empire. Good work!



This.

Eagerly awaiting His Eminence, The Archbishop's sermon on "The Sins of Targeting System Disrepair".

Nephilim Xeno
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2009.09.02 18:59:00 - [35]
 

well there is a mission issued by 24th agents where you have to support an amarrian battlegroup against a minmatar fleet.

during the fight between the two factions ships get destroyed on both sides and thats the reason for the amarr wrecks.

and why are there PIE tags on them? because all wreckes in the mission are owned by the one who accepts the mission

minmatar intelligence could need some improvements ;)

OOC removed. Zymurgist

Jakiin
Amarr
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Posted - 2009.09.02 19:52:00 - [36]
 

So the Republic's position today is that all Amarr ships are owned by the Empire. I don't even need to argue that, it makes it's own idiocy apparent.

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.02 21:29:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Jakiin
So the Republic's position today is that all Amarr ships are owned by the Empire. I don't even need to argue that, it makes it's own idiocy apparent.


At least the Empire's position is that Minmatar ships should be owned by it.

Kuan Yida
Minmatar
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2009.09.02 21:53:00 - [38]
 

The system is Lantorn, as originally stated, within Republic space. Unfortunately, we did not have the chance to acquire the pilots' names before we entered the dead space region and had the opportunity to note the nature of the wrecks therein.

I have a more complete capture of my entire overview, but truly it contains little more than comm windows and mod controls. In any event, the image is a true image and undoctored, as I believe any detailed analysis will prove out.

My evidence is simply provided to aid in any Imperial investigation of the incident. Indeed, those PIE pilots served the Republic more than the empire is halting this incursion of Amarrian regulars into a Minmatar system.

Invelious
Amarr
Adamant Edge
Posted - 2009.09.02 22:02:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Kuan Yida
The system is Lantorn, as originally stated, within Republic space. Unfortunately, we did not have the chance to acquire the pilots' names before we entered the dead space region and had the opportunity to note the nature of the wrecks therein.

I have a more complete capture of my entire overview, but truly it contains little more than comm windows and mod controls. In any event, the image is a true image and undoctored, as I believe any detailed analysis will prove out.

My evidence is simply provided to aid in any Imperial investigation of the incident. Indeed, those PIE pilots served the Republic more than the empire is halting this incursion of Amarrian regulars into a Minmatar system.


If you were smart, you would have clicked show info on the wreck and it would have shown the pilot who destroyed those vessels. But alas, you are not smart and are failing in your propaganda effort.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.09.02 22:02:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Rodj Blake on 02/09/2009 22:07:57
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 02/09/2009 22:05:03
Originally by: Kuan Yida
Unfortunately, we did not have the chance to acquire the pilots' names before we entered the dead space region and had the opportunity to note the nature of the wrecks therein.




And that is where your allegation falls down, since you had earlier claimed that you "scanned down two Amarr militia 'ceptor pilots flying a mission in Lantorn."

You took the time to scan them down. You noted the class of ships that they were flying. But you didn't get the chance to look at at their names in local?

Alica Wildfire
Minmatar
Federal Investigations Agency
Posted - 2009.09.02 23:58:00 - [41]
 

You don't know who killed the Amarr vessels? Just check their CONCORD files and who of PIE Inc. lost huge amount of standings to the Amarr Empire lately. This should not be any problem, I think.

Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.09.03 01:31:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Alica Wildfire
You don't know who killed the Amarr vessels? Just check their CONCORD files and who of PIE Inc. lost huge amount of standings to the Amarr Empire lately. This should not be any problem, I think.


Funny how nothing turned up.

Kazzzi
Amarr
Heathen Legion
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.09.03 04:48:00 - [43]
 

After putting a bit of clear and sober thought into this matter, I very highly doubt any PIE personnel have gone renegade. Nephilim Xeno is most likely correct that PIE warships were acting in support of Imperial vessels which were destroyed in action against Republic forces.

I base my rationale on PIE being among the most stubborn supporters of the b**** queen of Amarr, the high standards they demand of their people and the fact that none of my agents have been successful in corrupting any of their current roster of pilots.

But... if there ARE any rogue Amarrian pilots seeking escape from or vengeance to the most cruel Empire, contact me, I might be able to help.

Alica Wildfire
Minmatar
Federal Investigations Agency
Posted - 2009.09.03 06:30:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 03/09/2009 06:43:54
If no pilots of PIE Inc. were discredited by CONCORD files, this frees them indeed from suspection as Kazzzi said. Nevertheless I had a good laugh and fun teasing them about this. Thank you, Kuan Yida for your investigative journalism about this issue. Minmatar needs free spirits like you.

I prefer to fight a PIE above any other Amarrian militia. They have proven worth beeing killed.

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.09.03 06:32:00 - [45]
 

Animals killing animals.

Nothing new there, thus continues the chain of life.


Nachshon
Caldari
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2009.09.09 18:09:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Nachshon on 09/09/2009 18:13:45
I think PIE would want to investigate this anyway. After all, it might not be a fake.

A friendly fire incident seems unlikely - there are a lot of wrecks. Again, assuming that it is genuine, the most likely explanation is that PIE found reason to attack and destroy Amarrian ships. From what I know of PIE, I would suspect that they had a good reason (from their point of view). If so, they should at least try to determine who did it and why.

Sasim Kathul
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2009.09.09 18:38:00 - [47]
 

Nothing more than a vile lie of a barbaric people.
Amarr Victor!


Zverofaust
Gallente
Ascetic Virtues
Posted - 2009.09.12 15:57:00 - [48]
 

So now we see who PIE really are -- bloodthirsty murderers, no more, no less. Unwilling or unable to murder Minmatar pilots they turn on their own.

Nur AlHuda
Amarr
Callide Vulpis
Posted - 2009.09.12 16:24:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Zverofaust
So now we see who PIE really are -- bloodthirsty murderers, no more, no less. Unwilling or unable to murder Minmatar pilots they turn on their own.


Ah a minmar disconnected from reality. You minmatar will never stop to amaze me you guys loose a fleet and you claim victory. You guys kill one hostile ship and claim decisive victory.


Grr
Amarr
Imperial Retirement Home
Posted - 2009.09.12 16:25:00 - [50]
 

I have no doubt PIE would have done their own investigation but really that's between PIE and the Empire and they don't have to answer to a bunch of squabbling pod pilots here.


Dame Death
Minmatar
Core Impulse
Posted - 2009.09.12 18:50:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Grr
I have no doubt PIE would have done their own investigation but really that's between PIE and the Empire and they don't have to answer to a bunch of squabbling pod pilots here.




But Admiral I would think if PIE pilots wernt in the wrong PIE whould make a offical statement the absence of one makes me belive their hiding somthing.

Grr
Amarr
Imperial Retirement Home
Posted - 2009.09.12 21:23:00 - [52]
 

I really do not think they care. Those who know PIE know they would never destroy Amarr Navy ships without good reason and that's good enough for them I'm sure.


Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.09.12 21:48:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Rodj Blake on 12/09/2009 22:19:28
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 12/09/2009 21:47:56
Originally by: Dame Death
Originally by: Grr
I have no doubt PIE would have done their own investigation but really that's between PIE and the Empire and they don't have to answer to a bunch of squabbling pod pilots here.




But Admiral I would think if PIE pilots wernt in the wrong PIE whould make a offical statement the absence of one makes me belive their hiding somthing.


Given the extremely vague nature of the allegations, it would hardly be surprising if there had been no official responce, but in fact there have been multiple statements on this matter from senior PIE officers.

For the record, after reviewing the available information I am satisfied that no PIE members have taken part in any wrong-doing with regards to this incident.

Zverofaust
Gallente
Ascetic Virtues
Posted - 2009.09.13 13:04:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Nur AlHuda
Originally by: Zverofaust
So now we see who PIE really are -- bloodthirsty murderers, no more, no less. Unwilling or unable to murder Minmatar pilots they turn on their own.


Ah a minmar disconnected from reality. You minmatar will never stop to amaze me you guys loose a fleet and you claim victory. You guys kill one hostile ship and claim decisive victory.




Troll harder?

Jomel Dakos
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.09.15 13:35:00 - [55]
 

I have to say this pathetic attempt to discredit one of the most respected Amarrian corporations made me chuckle.

Keep up the good work PIE.

God be with you.

Lucius Vindictus
Amarr
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2009.09.15 14:21:00 - [56]
 

Agreed. Pathetic sums it up in one word. This extremely vague and flawed attempt to discredit PIE has been shot to hell by multiple people already so I won’t waste my breath on it any further.


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